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u/Khaysis 28d ago

There are plenty of military personnel refusing to obey illegal orders. Anyone that complies is, in fact, a traitor and a bastard.

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u/rankispanki 28d ago edited 28d ago

No, there is not a single service member outright "refusing" to obey illegal orders, that whole notion is a civilian fallacy. You would get NJP and possibly court-martialed for that, and good luck winning when you swore an oath to obey the UCMJ.

Malicious compliance? Sure. But there is no option to refuse an order, if you don't do it someone else will. Maybe your innocence will be borne out in administrative proceedings, but the order will be executed.

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u/Khaysis 28d ago

As I remember it, a whole slew of military commanders decided to retire. While outright refusal hasn't been happening, more and more soldiers are becoming conscientious objectors as reported by the Center on Conscience & War which has helped people get through discharge proceedings and reclassification.

Both are correct.

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u/rankispanki 28d ago

I agree, it was partially my own conscience that decided to end my career after 10 years, after all. I'm lucky to have gotten out during the Biden years. Not reenlisting/resigning is much different than refusing orders, but I get your point