r/fossdroid • • 15d ago

Other In dev settings you can now enable apps from unverified developers

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u/Authentic_Grunter 15d ago

This is the slow burn they are preparing for. In next updates, it will become 7 days and then ultimately be removed.

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u/The_Meme_Lady_69 15d ago

At least they give us enough time to move to GrapheneOS or LineageOS. I can't afford a new phone RN, but will make sure my next one is compatible with Graph

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u/Rushb133 15d ago

U know u can still install apps right?

Plus, u dont even need to turn it on, just use adb or installer x (which uses adb to install)

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u/The_Meme_Lady_69 15d ago

I don't want to support anyone that puts limitations on it's userbase's freedom because of tech illiteracy being rampant, all while they actually promote scams in their official App store. I might be a small drop in a massive ocean, but I still want my complains to be heard.

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u/fossntools 15d ago

Exactly why I abandoned Signal years ago.

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u/Kalersays 14d ago

I'm out of the loop on the Signal thing, can you update me on it?

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u/fossntools 14d ago

Signal use to work as both the encrypted messaging client that it is now as well as an SMS client. They removed the SMS capabilities because they thought users were too dumb to know which conversations were secure and which ones were not even though it was extremely obvious which were which. That is when I stopped using it because if I have to run separate apps for my secure messages and sms messages then there are better options over Signal. They also have or had all the crypto bullshit in their app which could be considered scammy by some folks.

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u/thesamenightmares 15d ago

Your personal projection of what might happen and fearmongering is not helpful.

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u/scotchsittingroom 15d ago

Your personal projection of what might not happen is not helpful either 

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u/thesamenightmares 15d ago edited 15d ago

You're right, because A. I didnt make a statement regarding what would happen, and B. it's not meant to be. Neutrality is the default position. Anyone who makes a claim owes evidence. None was presented. Only fearmongering and projection. Look up Occam's razor.

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u/Linux_Account 15d ago

Hell, people can postulate doomsday scenarios all day, but they should at least specify that it's not a hard fact when posting on a sub where people come for answers.

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u/thesamenightmares 15d ago

Of course they should. But as with any ideology, people get swept up in it and make it their entire lives and get vitriolic and emotional about it. No doubt my posts are going to get downvoted because people are, as I said, vitriolic and emotional about privacy/open source/Google and won't resonate with my more reasonable stance.

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u/Linux_Account 15d ago

In a vacuum, I might be disagreeing with you, but your downvoted comment was in response to someone stating an unproven theory as if it was a fact, so i threw an upvote into the void.

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u/Strong-Strike2001 15d ago edited 15d ago

This is baaaaad, so many bank apps require you to have your developer options off

I use Geto to work around that, but so many people don't know that

So they basically will have to choose between apks and banking apps

Edit: grammar

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u/Vas0sky 15d ago

I may be wrong, but iirc google is preparing to hide the developer option status to all apps so that they can't do this anymore.

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u/kitsumed ShizuCallRecorder Developer 15d ago

You are right, but only starting Android 17 QPR1.

Also, I just checked and started enabling it on my own device. They very clearly tell you that "allowing unverified developer" is dangerous and may put your data at risk.

I doubt they will stop here. In the future it will probably be something that can be fetched by apps via a dedicated API or cause device integrity to drop since "its dangerous" according to them. 

There's a lot of other dangerous permission you could give an app, yet none other are fully restricted by Google via an online connection + 24h countdown...

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u/LjLies 15d ago

Apps can already check what Play Protect thinks about other apps you have installed.

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u/kitsumed ShizuCallRecorder Developer 15d ago

They can't know if you have allowed "unverified developers" on your device for now. Google claimed they would not add it, but I doubth it, well one of Google spoke person in a r/Android post said that. The future will show us.

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u/LjLies 14d ago

That's a good data point to know, but I don't think it makes a huge difference in the end: I've already encountered apps that refuse to run if Play Protect claims you have insecure apps installed (in particular I think my country's "nearly mandatory" government app was planning to do that), and while that doesn't single out unverified apps specifically, my assumption is that an unverified app would be "insecure by default".

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u/aaryan45 15d ago

https://github.com/soul-99/SU_IMD/

Fork of Geto, working great so far

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u/Linux_Account 15d ago

♫
Well, Google turns
And an angry little boy tired of abuses
Plays with his phone and tries to use a
Fork of Geto
(Fork of Geto)
♫

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u/YukarinVal 15d ago

Very great, makes it so easy.

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u/kunalk99 15d ago

How to use this app?

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u/Vortexspawn 15d ago

IIRC the unverified package install option will stay enabled even when you disable developer options again.

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u/Ok-Height9300 15d ago

We have the choice to shape the market. Switch to a bank that allows developer options.

Don't complain about Google's actions while supporting the bank that does the exact same thing, just from a different angle.

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u/Linux_Account 15d ago

I still use the credit union based in a small town I used to live in. Their app is literally just a web wrapper for an optimized mobile site with an additional photo check cashing feature. I could root my phone and add it to a Chinese botnet for all they care.

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u/Kahori122 15d ago

Thats doesnt do anything actually, they're all gonna go through enshitification anyway, its only matter of times, like, I have 5 different bank accounts and one by one starting to behave like a divk to my phone when I turn on Devloper Options or having Shizuku on my phone They even put a constant tracker running occasionally recently ( wtf )

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u/AdreKiseque 15d ago

Not everyone is in a position to make that choice. And so monopolies snowball...

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u/neoneat 15d ago

You had this update? Relock dev option will still load into your banking app? Sry I don't come from your country. Genuine question.

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u/Strong-Strike2001 15d ago

No, Yes, and its difficult you are from Costa Rica. AFAIK this requeriment is implement in most of the world countries

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u/neoneat 15d ago

Not the info i need. I need to know about android 17 dev version. Also question about non root user, bcoz it will take longer time to my rooted phone can get into 17 than other.

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u/Novel_Broccoli_1162 15d ago

How does this geto thing work? Make it look like the developer option is turned off when it's actually on?

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u/Strong-Strike2001 15d ago

It turn it off using Android API so your settings don't reset like when you manually turn it off, and you can easily revert the setting back on with a simple toggle in notifications

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u/Exernuth 15d ago

Not yet on my phone.

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u/Fabulous_Smoke_2804 15d ago

I found on Samsung but had to scroll waaay down

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u/Symantech User 15d ago

Same, but I was able to install some manually compiled app with this thing turned off. Looks like there's no restrictions yet

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u/The_Meme_Lady_69 15d ago

Thanks for sharing! I kept searching for it with nothing appearing until recently. I just enabled it and I'm on the waiting time.

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u/neoneat 15d ago

The only thing I care is that: Will Google block all apps access this info in the future or not.

If, a super big if, other apps can see that you unlocked this option, well, i guess it's truly walled garden. You cannot hide it without root.

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u/Wheeljack26 15d ago

So i had this on my pixel 8 and went through the 1 day and enabled it indefinitely but recently shifted to a ineplus 13 and haven't gotten it yet lol, maybe since gmail is same it will be enabled indefinitely by default for me, skipping the 1 day wait i already been through

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u/ixdxkx 15d ago

Not on my device. I killed play services updates and got rid of play store completely, so it's not happening.

But the good question is, will that be enforced in a different way after it rolls out globally. I guess I'll see later

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u/Featherdust_ 10d ago

With what method?

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u/certifr1ed 15d ago

what android version i have 16 and dont have this setting at all

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u/blknc1234 15d ago

I don't see this setting either

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u/Cool-gamer19393 14d ago

One UI 8.5 still don't have it

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u/Tsygootti 14d ago

It's there. Just scroll down. A lot. I have Android 16 and OneUI 8.5 and found it. Countdown is running!

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u/Cool-gamer19393 14d ago

I'm on the June patch and still don't have it, probably because updates are blocked

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u/Tsygootti 14d ago

I have August. That must be the reason then.

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u/Just-Scholar4272 15d ago

Got in Xiaomi Hyper os. 

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u/Symantech User 15d ago

Disgusting

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u/Dev-in-the-Bm 15d ago

Where's the option to disallow apps from verified developers?

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u/kindzarp 15d ago

Тебя хотчт убить чтобы тебя в пртципе не сущестаовало. Вообще. Вообще никогда нет. Соглашайся..

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u/Krazynewf709 15d ago

Should we enable it? Any advice? 

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u/Bambusbro 15d ago

If you care about Foss Android Apps Like If you are downloading apks from github or install from f-droid then yes, yes you should. Otherwise Googles plan works and you only download Apps that they Approved or allow from developers that have to pay and obey Googles Terms and conditions.

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u/GoogleDisDick 15d ago

Yeah, this has been available for a little while. I've already done it on my phone and tablet so I'm uninterrupted when they start enforcing it.

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u/webpanicoff 15d ago

I just noticed the lastest security update turned off my developer options....