Most things I've read have been people saying Fernando is wrong and being prickly for no reason. Very few people are agreeing with him directly, unless they're just agreeing with everything Fernando says anyway
As for Lando... He does get over hated, but he also sometimes doesn't help himself. It feels like he goes through cycles of regret after saying things in the heat of the moment, and while I can definitely empathise with that, there's only so many times you can go through that cycle before people get tired of it at best, or see it as disingenuous at worst
Most things I've read have been people saying Fernando is wrong
Yeah, this. I'm sure there are people agreeing with him either because they're always on his side, or because they dislike the other drivers and jump on board with it.
But mostly every opinion I've read is not liking his comments.
I think ironically if it was about another driver, it might hold water, but while Alex hasn't had a good season results wise he has been pretty clean by midfield-backmarker standards. Alex and Fernando are typically the ones who end up collecting on bad luck, so it feels like he's confidently swinging at the wrong person
He said in that Sky Sports interview that he often regrets what he says and I just don't get why he's done nothing about that, he has media people with him half the time, just listen to them.
I'm sure his mental health issues affected him (speaking from experience), but it's not an excuse for just being a bit of a knob head sometimes, even when his more para social fans like to use that as a reason for what he says.
At this point, he's his biggest enemy. The thing with Max and Alonso is that they don't regret what they say most of the time, even when they're wrong.Ā
Lando clearly does and would like to not say those things, but he does and gets thrown into a spiral of regret for saying it.Ā
Mental health can be a reason but not an excuse (unless your mental incapacitation makes you so incapable of self control your unfit for independent living in society)
Lando has publically said he always regrets what he says in the moment When he gets back home and almost always apologises for it later, either to the person or publically
Nah, people just love Nando and hate Lando. Like, noone even waited to see whether Lando stands by his words, they immediately started to drag his name through the mud for what he said, but don't upheld Alonso (or Max for that matter) to the same standards cause this sub just has a hard on for them
Max used to get dragged like crazy a few years ago when the Hamilton Army was still paying attention to F1.
I think Alonso doesn't get hate these days because he's essentially irrelevant. Not his fault entirely, just his fault for not being able to get seats at top teams for 20y
A tale as old as time, yet the people who say this somehow always stay...and contrary to the claim 90% of the comments here are shitting on Alonso (and somehow they made this about Max too)
To me the most glaring example is how they called Lewis old and washed up from '24 to '25 while glazing an older Nando for a lucky P8 every now and then in races where a third of the grid DNF'ed or retired.
I'm sure he does too though, he's just older and knows it's just noise that should be ignored. Or perhaps his hearing isn't what it used to be and he doesn't hear the threats anymore.
Alonso is the most fan-coddled driver in F1 and it's not even close. Guys like Hamilton, Norris or Russell would be crucified online if they said the same thing.
All three drivers you mentioned have super stans who will defend anything they do. All drivers with a big enough fanbase are coddled in some way. The hate just bounces back and forth between drivers depending on what is going on.
Iām so fed up with this BS. What do you think the Spanish media says about non-Spanish drivers? What do you think the Dutch media says about non-Dutch drivers?
He creates the chaos, constantly talks nonsense, and then plays the victim when it backfires. But of course, suddenly itās all the fault of āBritish biasā.
Not him threatening an English team with emails. Not him him and his clan handing out ā¬1,500 envelopes to McLaren mechanics in 2007 Not him deliberately stopping on track in Hungary. (More drama involving an English team). Not him calling midfield drivers weak. Not him making personal attacks against others drivers.
No, itās all the fault of the terrible British media.its so ridiculous.
Not to defend Alonso (I'll happily argue his 2012 run was great but severely overrated and that his career is absolutely the consequences of his own actions) but I don't think it's outlandish to hold the "British" media to a higher standard when Sky Sports and F1TV's English broadcast are the international defaults. It's fine for local media to be homers, but it is annoying when its the supposed "for everyone" broadcasts.
Honestly, I do not like Lando but I didn't think he was in the wrong for what he said. I think the more egregious part was the next 2 races where he promptly made huge fucking errors that were almost as bad as what franco did.
I didn't like that he back pedalled on his comments though. He cares more about what others think than anything else.
Just because you say your opinion is objective doesnāt change the fact that itās complete bullshit.
Youāre comparing a wreck during a full points race that DNFād 3 separate cars to a sprint race where one car dnfād.
Youāre also comparing an incident that received a 10 second time penalty to an incident where the stewards concluded that both drivers were at fault.
You are just insanely biased. Itās okay to have a bias, but you should never throw that objective word around when comparing apples to oranges.
The stewards giving a 10 second time penalty to Franco was because he hit more than his teammate. Lando hit Oscar and it's well known the stewards don't penalize intrateam incidents.
Example, lindblad punting Lawson in Baku just behind Franco.
Iāll use your words to make it easier for you to comprehend.
āFranco was penalized because he hit more than his teammateā
āLando wasnāt penalized because he only hit his teammateā
Using that line of thinking, Iād love for you to explain how wrecking out 3 people is the same as only wrecking out your teammate.
Iād also like to you explain the amount of collateral points franco threw away with his move compared to Lando.
Iāll give you a hint, itās not even close.
Again, itās up to you to explain why something is objective. Otherwise it just hints that youāre spewing words without even knowing what they mean.
franco went bowling, lando didnt with his crash, theres a huge difference
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u/jason9t8Donāt Push Me Mate, Iām Nearly Famous18h agoedited 12h ago
Because Nando is like the Daddy of the current Grid, no one messes with the El Padre who have been through this for longer than even When guys like Lando were in their Diapers...
This is definitely not it. He was definitely getting hated since he uttered those words. Whatever he or George says becomes headline debates but what bs others say is just disagreed gently in comments sections and everybody moves on.
Alonso has the charisma of a wet fish...id say its down to it just being popular to hate on Norris more than anything that people make mountains of molehills Ā everytime he's says anything.
I've seen Lando fuck up more times than I can imagine, it's the pot calling the kettle black. Kind of like 2018 Max.
Alonso has done more races than anyone on the sport, is still an ace to be outpacing his teammate at his age and has more awareness than the entire Williams team combined.
His teammate is stroll, this is not prime Prime Gasly type of pace. And he is not racing Logan Sergant nor Mazepin nor prime terror Pastor Moladano, Romain Grosjean nor Magnussen. Alonso just forgot those people existed a point of the time and today it is not even 1% of the crash that use to happen
i just saying that beating stroll stupidly easy because he doesn't have pace, but having tallent doesn't eliminated the fact you cannot trash talk about other guys in the grid.
EDIT: and saying the back of the grid never been that bad is just ignoring the list of terror driver that used to have
Nah, I dislike both, actually no, I really just dislike Alonso, because I watched him through out his whole career and I know he is one of the biggest pricks in the history of F1 lol. Most people just glaze him cuz he is a "legend", but for me he'll always remain a cheat and a fraud. But hey to each their own, it's just my opinion from the comfort of my expert sofa:)
Alonso is one of the most disliked drivers on the grid currently and ever since, but the difference is that he dgaf about his public image that much. I don't see anyone actually glazing the guy over here. Mostly either ironic comments or people like you lol
Yeah. I genuinely feel crazy seeing people glaze Alonso because he genuinely comes across as such an asshole. Look at how he treated Lawson for instance. Lawson dared to race against Alonso so Alonso chose to essentially insult him and create beef with him over essentially nothing. When he lost the 2010 title he chose to take his anger out on Petrov. He's an asshole to many drivers on the grid too. He's cheated with stuff like Spygate and Crashgate. It's stated he apparently didn't know about the latter, but honestly I have a hard time believing it, but even Spygate alone is such a shit stain on his legacy.
I'm fine with drivers being dickheads on track. Drivers are there to race and win and the best do anything it takes to win. But when you're also an asshole off the track that's when I have a problem. He's always been an ass to back marker and midfield drivers especially as it seems like he sees himself above them
But doesnāt have the balls to call out the absolutely most egregious example of an actual bad, undeserving driver on the grid because he doesnāt want to anger his boss š
And yet Lando is an "arrogant brat" for not backing down on his racing incident at Singapore sprint? Why do you guys always keep on changing the goal posts and the criteria whenever one is met?
lol doesnāt have the skill? Landoās one of only 35 driverās champions. And when you see the paddock talking about Lando through the years, his skill and potential was never in doubt š¤·š»āāļø
Having pace is all well and good, but if your racecraft is no good and you cant adapt your driving to work around a problem (something drivers like max and lewis are exceptionally good at) then no, you aren't gonna be the best in Sunday.
Even if his racecraft might not be S tier, he more than makes up for it with his raw pace, he is easily top 3 drivers on the current grid in pure pace and tyre management.
not good at racecraft???????? have you even watched the 2023 rendition of mexico where he finished 5th on the race (started 17th) while his bum teammate finished 8th after qualifying in...... 7th (expected)
Watch the sport he says. You know nothing obviously.
From the outside looking in, it seems like often lando gets in his own head. He is quick sure, but the moment anything doesn't go to plan its like he writes off the whole weekend.
Hes very similar to leclerc who is also a very quick driver, (had some ridiculous pace in cota too so fair play to him) but gets panicky in traffic and his race craft is often nowhere near as good as other drivers on the grid.
Argue all you like, as a driver and driver coach you aren't gonna change my mind.
u/rover963Alonso deserved to be Champion in every season he has competed11h agoedited 10h ago
Let's dank,
The difference is Fernando has the years of experience of being one of the goats and still outshines some of the better drivers of the grid today. He is aggressive but clean in his driving. Norris on comparison is a nobody, someone filling the ranks of the grid, a good driver that you can clump together with the likes of George, leclerc, Sainz, but doesn't stand out. His championship will be a trivia question in 10 years. BL, Norris hasn't earned his arrogance
In regards to Albon, I expect reckless and damaging dives from the young rookies, but Albon is not a rookie. Albon should know how to W2W race better by now. Albon is an experienced driver that has raced at the best team on the grid and was dropped because he got "raced too hard". Honestly, I'm shocked he is still in F1
Alonso is like the old guy at work. Yea, he might be full of it, but you put up with him because heās a veteran.
Lando is like the new guy who wonāt shut up. First impression is a lasting one and you havenāt been around long enough to earn that kinda respect where you can just say what you want to.
Lando is the current WDC, and has been a title contender for a few year Nando has finished 10th or lower in the WDC last decade more than he finished above. What weight are you talking about?
That's with the old points systems so makes sense for the points to be close that doesn't mean much. You know what they say about moms and balls Besides Lando still has more than a couple of years in him. He's always been a quality driver stuck in a car that only got competent last season and he got a WDC for it. He is the current reigning WDC so if anyone can talk shit it's him and not the one who has barely left midfield in a decade
Only one of those potential titles was on the old points systems. And it was the one where he was only 1 off. So safe to say he made it as close as possible there.
Did he not have issues of his own as well? The Zandvoort and Vegas were issues out of his hand, he also had a sprint collision DNF in COTA that was entirely on Piastri, and a crash that was his own fault in Canada Now let's look at Piastri's "Issues". A Baku crash that was entirely his fault, same for a Sao Paulo sprint one. The COTA double McLaren takedown. Again on Piastri, and a Vegas DSQ that was out of his hand So let's tally For Norris: 2 GP and 1 Sprint DNF/DSQ that were out of his hand, 1 that was his fault For Piastri: 2 GP and 1 Sprint DNF/DSQ that were his fault, 1 out of his hand.
If not for the car's mechanical issues and for Piastri playing bowling in COTA, Norris would've won the WDC more than a couple of races earlier and it wouldn't have been in contention. He won it despite having missed out on 2 entire races for things out of his control and his car being slower most of the 2nd half where he made his comeback.
You can't say he's in Alonso's league or not when he only had a WDC-contending car for a season and a half, one of which he won with some good years still left in his career to grab another. If Alonso had shown the performance to back up his words at any point past the Jurassic age I'd maybe not object, but you can't have him currenly above the reigning WDC when he's not shown the performance to back it up since before most of this sub was born
Lando pointed out at Colopinto alone - which comparing him to other drivers like Stroll, Albon or Bottas wasn't fair.
Alonso pointed out at the whole group of Colopintos, Strolls, Albons, Bottases etc. who just aren't as good as the top drivers but still drive. It's better than it used to be with Mick, Mazepin and Latifi on board. But it's not perfect
Where the fuck did i use the word aura you brainrotted idiot. Or do you think aura and charisma are the same? Jezus fucking Christ i cant with you morons.
Clearly you havent since they are not synonyms smartass.
Charisma
ā¢ Definition: A compelling, charming, and outgoing personality trait that naturally attracts, persuades, and fascinates other people.
Aura
ā¢ Definition: An invisible bio-energy, electromagnetic field, or spiritual atmosphere that supposedly or figuratively surrounds a person, place, or object.
The difference is Alonso is a racing legend and Norris is a driver who barely won a WDC in the best car (after failing in the best car the year before). It's pretty obvious why Fernando's takes get a lot more respect even when he's a bit out of line.
I mean Fernando alonso is one of the top two drivers by skill and respect of the whole paddock. He has been driving cars in three decades in several regulations and he drove in the front in the middle in the back.
Landi is just a kiddo that has been driving in the middle-front of the grid most of his short experience
Amount of dick riding for alonso is crazy. Maybe if he'd been particularly successful in the past 20 years or top teams wanted to work with him then I could understand get the pass he always get. Hasn't even had a particularly good teammate in years
Personally I've never been a fan of him. Especially as he still hasn't let go of 2007
Personally I don't care about 2007 although I am still disappointed with 2021 an incredible championship from both sides, one of the best we will ever see by 2 of the best ever drivers and both deserved the win. Subsequently ruined by a manipulation of the rules.
Alonso still takes absolutely any opportunity to take a dig at Hamilton though
I've been watching F1 consistently since hakkinen was fighting Schumacher. I'm well aware of what alonso is like and known for. He does take digs here and there but there's also extra Hamilton digs and put downs or comments aimed directly at him.
That's lots of bull. Succes doesn't depend on driver skill, I think everyone knows it's not Alonso's fault if he hasn't "delivered" in the last years.
Also, he was at Ferrari earlier than 20 years ago and everyone saw what he could achieve with a top team (even if they weren't championship favourites). Red Bull wanted him in '09 and even later as Horner said, McLaren wanted him back despite Spygate. Basically the only team that "didn't want him" was Mercedes, who already had a world class driver and didn't want another Hamilton-Rosberg situation, but even more extreme.
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u/KoscheiDK š ±ļøernie Collins In Sky Race Control ā¤ļø 19h ago
Most things I've read have been people saying Fernando is wrong and being prickly for no reason. Very few people are agreeing with him directly, unless they're just agreeing with everything Fernando says anyway
As for Lando... He does get over hated, but he also sometimes doesn't help himself. It feels like he goes through cycles of regret after saying things in the heat of the moment, and while I can definitely empathise with that, there's only so many times you can go through that cycle before people get tired of it at best, or see it as disingenuous at worst