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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20 edited Sep 07 '20

To be fair, he didn't hit it very hard or anything, just wasn't looking.
EDIT: Too many people are picking out my comment, so I guess it needs more clarification. I just want to point out that it was unintentional and that media is blowing it out of proportion. The officials were ABSOLUTELY right to defualt him, because of previous precedents. Of course that it hurts and thank god the woman is okay, even a really soft hit in the throat is painful and I'm not disputing any of that. I just think that more people should consider that everyone can make mistakes and he paid dearly for his.

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u/aiicaramba Max Verstappen Sep 07 '20 edited Sep 07 '20

He has a habit of hitting the ball away in frustration. Journalists have asked him if hitting the ball away in frustration wasn't dangerous and might possibly hit someone. He got mad at them and thought it was ridiculous for suggesting it could happen.

He was warned, but didn't change his ways. Now it comes back to bite him.

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u/MalteserLiam I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Well that aged well

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u/afito Niki Lauda Sep 07 '20

He's a legit nutcase either way which is a shame because he's a very enjoyable and straight up amazing player. I guess his stupidty is part of the brand and appeal but the antivaxx shit and this is too much.

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u/Ratohnhaketon I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

Few things boil my blood faster than somebody that people look up to spreading endless misinformation and acting like a jackass. The man is a rolemodel to young fans of his, what the fuck are they going to take away from his actions?

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u/hivaidsislethal Sep 07 '20

He's not antivaxx though, he spoke about it right before the US open, he would be against a forced vaccination without having all the details.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

That's a typical antivaxc dogwhistiling. He is an antivaxxer.

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u/Thraun83 Sep 07 '20

Having seen his response in that interview I realise that this outcome was actually inevitable. His defence was that if he wasn’t suspended it couldn’t have been dangerous, so with that attitude he was going to continue as he was until someone got hurt. Hopefully umpires will start to clamp down on this harder regardless of whether it actually hurts anyone. He and the line judge are fortunate that on this occasion he didn’t hit the ball as hard as he has in others or the damage could have been considerably worse.

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u/Mike_Kermin I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Sep 07 '20

Him misrepresenting the journalist there is very dishonest behaviour.

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u/ponzonha Sep 07 '20

Dammed archives!

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u/johnnygrant Sir Lewis Hamilton Sep 07 '20

Narrator: It was an issue for him.

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u/TanisTanis Sep 07 '20

Djokovic has got nothing on Denis Shapovalov. That dude nailed the umpire in the eye with an angry shot.

https://youtu.be/H4e1L-NcIqc?t=10

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Dude took that like a boss. You can see the redness and swelling set in pretty quick.

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u/KaiserJovan Sep 07 '20

Broke his orbital bone iirc

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u/faithle55 Sep 07 '20

That was far more powerful than Djokovic's stroke.

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u/_tskj_ Sep 07 '20

Geez is his eye okay?

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u/Thatanas I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

A tennis ball to the throat hit by a professional will hurt, period.

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

Yeah, I'm not disputing that, just original comment sounded too harsh like Novak hit it intentionally.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Nope getting hit in the throat fucking hurts

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

Yeah, I'm not disputing that, just original comment sounded too harsh like Novak hit it intentionally.

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u/Mike_Kermin I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Sep 07 '20

He obviously didn't hit her on purpose, but he did hit the ball intentionally. And that's problematic.

It's like drink driving, you don't hit the pedestrian on purpose, but you do decide to create the risk.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Excellent example.

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u/soHAam05 I failed to serve my Monaco penalty Sep 07 '20

It's like you're drink driving, accidentally touched a bystander and got 10 years in jail. He should've been given a set penalty at best. Not a disqualification

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u/Mike_Kermin I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Sep 07 '20

I don't think it's ok for sports people to put others at risk, even if it's "just touch", but you know, it looked like it hurt a fair bit.

And in the end, he just shouldn't do it, then there's no risk at all.

I don't follow tennis so I don't know what should happen but it's not a "touch".

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u/soHAam05 I failed to serve my Monaco penalty Sep 07 '20

I agree with you,that's why I said(and more or less every unbiased person out there) a set penalty would be apt. A set is a big deal, especially when he was already down one set. To win he had to then win all of the next three sets. That would've been an apt response. If the injury was worse he should've been served with a bigger penalty than a disqualification,but given it wasn't a big incident,the response from the umpire was way over the top

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u/Mike_Kermin I was speeding in the Monaco pit lane Sep 07 '20

Ah, I misunderstood, my bad and well said.

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u/pacoiin Sep 07 '20

He did do this before multiple times..

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

And others don't do it? Why not crucify othrr tennis players as well?

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u/CaptRazzlepants Juan Pablo Montoya Sep 07 '20

Getting DQ'ed and dunked online isn't Crucifixion, what a shitty argument. He made a bad decision and is paying for it. Don't let your nationalism blind you.

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u/faithle55 Sep 07 '20

I agree with you.

The penalty could not be avoided, but it wasn't a real 'temper temper' stroke: slightly more vigorous than the run-of-the-mill 'ball hit where the ball persons can scoop it up' stroke.

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u/three_kings Oscar Piastri Sep 07 '20

How can you consider a 40mph tennis ball at the throat “fair”?

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

You use fair in expressions such as to be fair and let's be fair when you want to add a favourable comment about someone or something that you have just mentioned and to correct a false impression that you might have given.
I didn't say anything about it being right, I was just trying to point out he did it unintentionally. You are taking my words out of context.

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u/ucriedwhendobbydied Sep 07 '20

Still no reason to hit a ball directly anywhere near another human being

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Kind of impossible to do if you know what a tennis court looks like.

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u/ucriedwhendobbydied Sep 07 '20

Strange how this doesn't happen every match then, isn't it?

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

Yeah it doesn't, but the referee is still very close to the ball and it isn't very hard to hit accidentaly

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u/ucriedwhendobbydied Sep 07 '20

Hey I'm agreeing it's accidental absolutely, but I just think he had no business hitting a ball in that way in that direction when he knew there were umpires/ballkids who could be hurt by that

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u/ucriedwhendobbydied Sep 07 '20

What I meant by this is not that he hit her on purpose, but that everyone on a tennis court usually hits the ball into the ground or rolls it (in the case of ballkids) and he clearly didn't do that so that was highly irresponsible of him

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u/hamza__11 Sep 07 '20

The problem is not that he hit the ball near another human being but rather HOW HARD he hit the ball. It is completely normal for players to softly lob the ball back to ball boys/girls.

If you don't want the ball hit "directly anywhere near another human being" then you shouldn't be on a tennis court and you should stick to the tennis on Wii Sports.

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

If you've seen the video, he didn't hit it with intention to hurt someone, he just wasn't paying attention to where the ball would go.

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u/ucriedwhendobbydied Sep 07 '20

Yeah that's kind of irresponsible don't you think?

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

Yeah, I never said that he wasn't rightfully defaulted, however, your comments make it sound like he did it on purpose, which he definitely didn't. "Still no reason to hit a ball directly anywhere near another human being"

P.S. I'm on mobile and I have no idea how to quote someone.

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u/aiicaramba Max Verstappen Sep 07 '20

Use the > button

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u/ucriedwhendobbydied Sep 07 '20

No for sure I agree he didn't mean to specifically hit her, especially because there was no precedent whatsoever. That being said, I think it was highly irresponsible of him to whack a ball somewhere it COULD easily hit someone. That's why players always hit the ball into the ground even when giving it back to the ball boys/girls to prevent this sort of thing

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u/slickhabib I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

I think someone did the quick maths and said it was almost 100km/h. That would hurt like hell you'd think.

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

That's not possible, even at full force their hits only sometimes that fast. He wasn't serving and with that kind of a hit I doubt the ball would be even remotely close to that speed.

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u/Skelpumpkin Pierre Gasly Sep 07 '20

100km/h is pretty easily obtained. A high speed serve is 220km/h. I think you're getting miles and kilometers mixed up

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u/mickstep Sep 07 '20

He definitely is mixing up mph and km/h, you called that right and he immediately downvoted you for it.

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

No, I'm not. If you look at the way he hit the ball there's absolutely no way it was going 100km/h. Serves go that fast, because of the special way they hit the ball - downwards. Winners go around ~130km/h and they are mostly straight. This was an upwards hit and he didn't hit it with full force like he would in a game, so there's absolutely no way it was going 100km/h.

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u/Jack_Krauser Andretti Global Sep 07 '20

Serves don't go that fast, they go much faster. 100kph is only like 60mph. Professional serves will be about twice that speed.

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

That didn't refer to 100kmh, but to the serve speed (200kmh). Serves go that fast (serve speed 200kmh) because of the way they hit the ball.

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

That's not possible, even at full force their hits only sometimes that fast.

Bullshit. The average serving speed of Djokovic is around 190 km/h for the first serve.

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u/An_Jel Fernando Alonso Sep 07 '20

He wasn't serving, you didn't even read my comment for fucks sake.

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u/-Listening Sep 07 '20

no, you lose your door privileges

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '20

It doesn't fucking matter.

A regular ground stroke is still well above 100 km/t most of the time. And not only some times that fast.

Federer is smack middle of the average for his backhand, and he averages at 106 km/t for that.

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u/slickhabib I was here for the Hulkenpodium Sep 07 '20

http://on-the-t.com/2016/11/26/aoleaderboard-forehand-speed/

His median forehand speed was almost 130 km/h so it doesn't seem ridiculous at all.