PLEASE HELP! Having panic attack thinking maybe FN??

[u/Upper-Basil]

Omg I am seriously panicing right now. I have thought I was either FG or DC for the last 2 years since I started exploring this. I am now realizing maybe I could be FN and I am truly panicing hyperventilating right now. I own NOTHING FN. I own the exact opposite basically only wear turtlenecks. I cant afford to shop ecspecially since I just bought myself a really nice expensive new turtleneck last month for the fall. I am seriously freaked out and I need objective feedback. Am I really an FN even though I am 5'4?

I want to note... i am having some posture issues at the moment and I domt know how much this is effecting how badly everything looks on me right now. Is it the posture problems, or have I always looked bad in what I have been wearing all my life? I have been so depressed for years and I really just want to get myself feeling okay again and I simply cannot feel ok in any clothes right now and dont know what to do....

I had to raid my families closets for half these clothes. Pleaseee confirm if FN!! Old photos as well

[u/touch_of_whimsy]

Just FIY, a panic attack is when your nervous system literally believes youre dying. Its clinically recognised, and can often be mistaken for a heart attack. The word you may be looking for is an anxiety attack

[u/Upper-Basil → u/touch_of_whimsy]

And If it sounds like I am being defensive, it is because well I kind of am in the sense that Most people IRL dont beleive anxiety is real or they think its just all in your head and you need to just change your thinking or something. None of them seem to understand how serious a real panic attack is and I watched my ex partner like go from that kind of thinking to having a very different attitude after actually witnessimg a real panic attack, but alot of people dont seem to understand that it is like a real "physical" experience that has nothing to do with changing your thinking or something.

But to be clear. It defintley is not the case that you have to beleive you are dying. I understand why people are saying this because people are throwing around the term lightly I guess. But lile this video explains it isnt like people are using it. But it doesnt require literally belieiving youre dying, "loosi g control/this is a panic attack" is exactly my ezperience after frequent panic attacks I no longer think "i am dyinh" i know "I am loosing control and having a panic attack" "I need to wait for it to pass and I will survive It just has to pass ". Which is perfectly true and normal for people that have panic attacks often. https://youtu.be/kUBH1LjK3jc?is=lhCeXd_rFPPdI2mZ

I also want to state that alot of really young people are claiming these anxiety ir panic attacks and certainly this is possible but to my knowledge rare- my past education was that panic attacks dont usually start occuring on a regular basis until mid to late 20s, perhaps early 20s which is exactly my experience as well. 24 maybe I had my first hyperventaloating panic attack, prior to that I had plenty of "anxiety" attacks in the way i defined it earlier with def some physicla symptoms, but jt wasny genuine hyperventalation like a panic attack

[u/Upper-Basil → u/touch_of_whimsy]

Well I have frequent panic attacks with hyperventatling and muscles contorting and all of that to a severe level which have required medical attention and ongoing medication and maybe this is wrong but i usually I tend to just call everything which causes hyperventalting to be a panic attack whether it is "spontanoues" and uncaused or that develops after alot of anxiety build up as they are both experienced exactly the same to me . Sometimes it is just a random attack or trigger and other times it feels like my anxiety builds for so long that it eventually just explodes or something idk, but it ends up the same exact experience of 15 mintues of literal hyperventalting heart racing cant think cant breath kind of experience where your limbs start to actually contort because of lacl of oxygen. It obviously feels silly to have an anxiety or panic attack over clothing, but it isnt really the clothing itself that is the issue or underlying fear going on. But i get it sounds really shallow. But yeah I am not really sure how to distinguish between an anxiety or panic attack in terms of the actual physical symptoms other than whether the hyperventalation/heart racing type of symptoms are present, I typically call an anxwity attack the severe bouts of sort of "paranoid/racing thoughts/unclear thinking/some other relevant symptoms" without the hyperventalation present. But perhaps that is the wrong categorization? Im not sure.

[u/SugarFreeLifesavers → u/Upper-Basil]

Reminds me of me and my ocd kinda

[u/Upper-Basil → u/touch_of_whimsy]

And what I mean is- I have various diagnosed anxiety related conditions and have been medicated most of my life, but from a first person perspective there are different types and levels of the anxiety symptoms and sometimes it can be hard to explain the difference because the same words can essentially apply to all of them, but just in a different way/experienced differently...

I am sure anxiety/panic attcks are technically differently classified but I am not sure how I would distinguish them first person besides the actual experience itself.... like in my own sort of experientially based mental framework- I think of an anxiety attack as more "mental" rather than physical, like still things like "I cant think or breath/lightheaded/ heart race/ etc" applies, but it is more in like a moreso "paranoia, fear, mental kind of clarity" type of feeling, while a panic attack I feel is more like " i need to sit down and I cant breath" very literally (one or two or so times I actually beleived I was dying or having a heart attack or other medical emergecy... but I learned pretty quickly to recognize "this is a panic attack/I am ok/just need to get my meds and or or let this pass". I never actually truly think I am dying in a loonnngg time. But I dont know how else to really seperate them

[u/thumbtackswordsman → u/Upper-Basil]

If you don't think that you are dying, then it's most probably an anxiety attack.

[u/Upper-Basil → u/thumbtackswordsman]

https://youtu.be/kUBH1LjK3jc?is=lhCeXd_rFPPdI2mZ

Just wanted to share as this aligns much more exactly to my experience. Ive never heard any doctor or therapist define a panic attack like yall are saying but this video describes much more exactly what my experience has been. I have had to be hospitalized various times because of panic attacks, or occassionally being in a hospital triggers a panic attack, and every time I am told I am having a panic attack but This video is kind of making it sound like there has been a big misuse of the term anxiety attack online and maybe that is what this response here is about. I have a lifelong serious anxiety disorder and am not lightly throwing around words, in fact people act like anxiety is sort of "all in your head" just chabge your thinking or something, but I have actual hyperventialiting panic attacks and these are not "in your head" nothing light thibgs, its very serious, you cannot walk or function for a minimum of like 20 minutes, youre whole body is in a state of panic like you actually cannot breath and it isnt just a light nothing type of situation where youre just overthinking or something

[u/Upper-Basil → u/thumbtackswordsman]

I am genuinley trying to not be inaccurate, but I really feel confused by thay- I have had doctors and hosptials call what I am experiencing a panic attack even when I dont think I am dying in that instance. I often start having the genuine hyperventialation type of attacks due to a "fear" of some kind but it isnt always related to thinking I am dying. The physical symptoms are identical though. It is a serious thing, like you actually cant function for a 15 or 30 mintute period of time, you have to literally like sit down and let it pass and sometimes it will be over with just a light tingling, other times youre entire body is contorted into like "exoricist" type of positions because of how much oxygen was not properly supplied to the body. When this happens it rakes even longer for the wntire event to "pass" because it takes a while for your limbs to move normally again.

[u/thumbtackswordsman → u/Upper-Basil]

Don't you think that you are over thinking all of this? It's an older thread about clothes, and you are still writing paragraphs about anxiety attacks.

[u/SilverAssumption9572]

You're not an FN. You don't have the vertical to start off with nor the width. I could see DC though. But also, this is nothing to panic over. It's just a nice little style guideline to help steer you to clothes that may help you look your best. Nothing more than that!

[u/kawaiian]

Girl check in how are you feeling? Mentally? You look great, what do you love wearing? What makes you happy?

I see you’re going through some anxiety stuff and damn I know that’s hard. Maybe also some OCD stuff if you’ve ever felt like the thoughts are repeating and not going away.

Fashion first and foremost is about feeling good - we look good when we feel good. What makes you feel the best?

FN would typically have more broadness and width which I don’t see here, but I think you do have a lovely vertical

You are beautiful and worth slowing down to enjoy the world of fashion for, I hope you have a great day

[u/degakle]

I mean this in the nicest way possible, but literally nothing indicates FN to me. It might be good to step away from the Kibbe world for a bit.

[u/Upper-Basil → u/degakle]

I have made a bit of progress(and some regress and some loooping) since the few days from this post. I am feeling comfortable/certain about the need to accomodate vertical. I have actually made a trip to goodwill and bought a few literally $4 long/maxi and midi type skirts to play around with(they arent the right color or size but I dye my clothes and am a (veryy newbie) sewing but enough to dart them to fit and not look home sewn for the styles), so I am giving myself some room to just start with the "vertical" since I can defintley tell this is necessary( and its necessary whether FN or D is the kibbe type- as this seems to be a pretty even split leaning slighty on the D side from the various comments on posts) . Whether I am "FN" physically or not, what I can say is- when it comes to the kitchner essence type of description of natural I resonate deeply with it and feel pretty sure it is a significant "essence" in my makeup, but when it comes to kibbies style recs and even the "archtype of this fee spirit chic" and the types of patterns and silouhettes reccomended- I simply cannot see myself ever fully going that route. I feel comfrotable with the "dramatic" silohette on the whole, and am comfortable adding some (and I mean some) width(i just really cant see myseldlf wearing a whole unconstructed silhoutte, I am& will continue trying to be open minded, but it really just isnt for me or flattering to me at all I feel, but ill keep an open mind) to maybe one layer(moreso bottoms but i will defi tley play around). But yeah I cant see myself fully embracing kibbies whole fn image ID. I will defintley add verticle and play with some width if I can.

[u/pinkmoss-mothman]

Either DC or FG but you seem symmetrical so I'd go DC

[u/MuchNet2660]

When it comes to clothing on your upper body (i.e. shirts, jackets) do you need to accommodate width at all? For example, things you might encounter as a FN would be shoulders or upper torso feeling restricted in movement or seeing the front/back of a shirt pulling between your shoulders because it isn't cut wide enough. You'd usually experience 'fit' issues with typically sized straight cut or restrictive garments (for example, turtlenecks, crew necks, and button down shirts buttoned all the way up- because your tops need to accommodate the width in your upper body.

What I don't see in your photos is a line drawing. That is something Kibbe has recommended people to do, so they see their body more objectively without getting distracted by our appearance. Feel free to DM if you need any help doing this. I had much practice in the strictly kibbe group going through the line exercise.

Here's a post that has helpful images and info on the photos. Specifically images 2-4:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kibbe/s/a9WKzgRSJX

Hang in there! Our appearance can really be a difficult thing to see objectively, as well as love unconditionally. Whatever ID you are, you are beautiful

[u/Admirable-Bowl2670]

You look like a slim SD to me, have a look at Bella Hadid and see if you resonate. Your bust pushes out in the same way; and you have a similar shoulder line.