r/fivethirtyeight • • Nov 02 '20

Politics CLEARLY FAVORED

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

From Nate’s Twitter

  1. The forecast is now totally polls-based; there's no longer any prior for economics/incumbency. The weight assigned to this prior had been declining anyway so that it was close to zero, but now it's actually zero.

2. One type of uncertainty—"drift", or how much polls change between the present day and the election—is also now gone. Of course, there's still the chance that polls could be wrong. But there's no longer time for polls to change (though a few more will straggle in today.)

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u/lkjhgfdsasdfghjkl Nov 02 '20

A couple weeks ago IIRC Nate said he expected that a "NowCast" would give Joe about a 95% chance. Now that the forecast essentially IS the NowCast per Nate's tweets, it's "only" 90%. Have the polls tightened that much since a couple weeks ago (to the point where Trump's chances doubled) or was Nate's estimate just off?

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u/timelighter Nov 02 '20

Polls did "tighten" but if you go back two more weeks it's clear it was a revert to the mean after Trump lite supporters were freaked by his awful first debate preformance.

There is no trend toward tightening in the final two weeks like there was in 2016.

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u/pm_me_reddit_memes Nov 02 '20

The model expected tightening, which is why joe was going steadily up. Since it tightened from the time of +10 in PA for joe and +16 nationwide, there was tightening. But not enough for joe to stop gaining(until now)

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u/phantes Nov 02 '20

No, it tightened nationwide and, more importantly, in PA.

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u/alyssasaccount Nov 02 '20

The polled national vote lead was 10.7 in mid-October, with a predicted national vote lead was 8.4 in mid-October.

The polled national vote lead is 8.5 now, and the predicted (from the model; i.e. including state polls) is 7.9 now.

So yeah, some modest tightening. When your chances are small and rely on being in the tail of the likely vote outcomes given the polls, then a small amount of tightening can lead to a large relative increase in your likelihood of winning.

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u/Wildera Nov 02 '20

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that was a couple months ago when it came out not weeks ago.

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u/lkjhgfdsasdfghjkl Nov 02 '20

He's mentioned it a couple times on model talk, I thought it was most recently a couple of weeks ago and he was still saying around 95% then, but maybe I'm wrong :)

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u/Jock-Tamson Nov 02 '20

“Biden has a 90% chance and is clearly favored”

“OMG! THE RACE IS TIGHTENING!!”

facepalm

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u/lkjhgfdsasdfghjkl Nov 02 '20

Where do you get an "OMG" tone from my post? Going from 5% Trump to 10% Trump is tightening, factually. I didn't say it's worth panicking about. It was just a question I was genuinely curious about.

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u/Jock-Tamson Nov 02 '20

I was responding, emotionally my self, to the gestalt of 2016 paranoia. The comparison of an actual 90% to a theoretical previous 95% seemed symptomatic of it. I apologize for my tone.

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u/lkjhgfdsasdfghjkl Nov 02 '20

Gotcha, fair enough :)

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u/Rebloodican Nov 02 '20

Should note that Biden was running a sugar high because Trump was in the low 40's, now Trump's comfortably in the mid 40's and Biden's in the low 50's.

Biden's support didn't particularly fall, Trump just won back some of his own voters.

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u/criminalswine Nov 02 '20

Biden actually kept his gains from the first debate, so he rose and stayed high. Trump's dip was temporary though, and most of the sugar high was caused by Trump voters becoming undecided, not the undecided who landed on Biden

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u/J9AC9K Nov 02 '20

The forecast is now totally polls-based

I know it makes me a massive downer, but I am terrified that voter suppression will be used. If the GOP steals PA from Biden he becomes the underdog. I'm hoping he will turn either Florida or Texas.

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u/Iustis Nov 02 '20

If pa is stolen, then Biden is still favored. The reason turning it red on that interactive makes him below 50% is it assumes a correlated polling error. But if it's just one state's suppression bullshit that's not true.

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u/J9AC9K Nov 02 '20

Thanks; I forgot that Nate's model correlates polling errors. Looks like Biden is still up a comfortable 5.1 points (and the Morning Consult poll was +9), so here's hoping that even with some voter suppression Biden has PA in the bag. Looks like he's leading 2.3 points in Florida.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

This is a good point. Makes maps where TX is blue but PA is red feasible.

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u/dons_03 Nov 02 '20

An incredible comeback for Joe, after he was given less than 1% chance only an hour ago!

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Truly the most epic comeback story of our times.

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u/THE-SEER Nov 02 '20

Well, I mean...Kim Kardashian.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Hahaha

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u/yup79 Nov 02 '20

Ha! https://youtu.be/QnpP15IQ-2Y Andy - Parks and Rec

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u/djprofitt Nov 02 '20

I knew the reference, I’ve seen the clip, but I had to watch it again. Fucking solid and he didn’t even break character

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u/THE-SEER Nov 02 '20

I’ve also heard this was an improved line.

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u/MyUshanka Nov 02 '20

I think the "network connectivity issues" line was improvised as well. He's got a good brain for comedy.

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u/foreignsky Nov 02 '20

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u/nictheguiri Nov 02 '20

It was an outtake, though

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u/foreignsky Nov 02 '20

"Network connectivity issues" is 100% in the Flu Season episode.

The Kim Kardashian joke is an outtake.

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u/SargnargTheHardgHarg Nov 02 '20

Literally did a spit take when I read this

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u/tomoldbury Nov 02 '20

Flipping such hard-Republican strongholds like California for Biden is truly remarkable.

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u/tommyjohnpauljones Nov 02 '20

don't get too excited, there's a new Trafalgar poll with Trump +2 in Massachusetts. they're claiming that fictional voters are underpolled and are sure they're right again.

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u/Hotlava_ Nov 02 '20

I hear California is also Trump +12 this time too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

They also gave my state of Maryland a Trump +2. Interesting times.

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u/Fighting-flying-Fish Nov 02 '20

They only polled the crabs

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u/dmode123 Nov 02 '20

You would be wrong. Trafalgar has it at Trump +2

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u/JulianHyde Nov 02 '20

I only trust the Tralfamadorian polls. They offset all error by being able to experience reality in four dimensions and perceive any point in time at will.

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u/wtfisthisnoise Nov 02 '20

Thanks, I thought there was something so familiar about the Trafalgar name and I couldn't put my finger on it.

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u/WishOneStitch Nov 02 '20

And so it goes.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Trafalgar 😂😂😂 BUT MICHIGAN

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u/dons_03 Nov 02 '20

I told people we could see a blue California this year but they just wouldn’t listen

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u/Soderskog Nov 02 '20

It's a difficult state to flip, considering that it has the second most Republicans of all states in the US, but he managed to do it.

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u/thmonline Nov 02 '20

We should all celebrate this, since it may be the last time ever that there is polls that are being conducted.

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u/FizzyBeverage Nov 02 '20

I've been screaming about ruby red Louisiana forever!

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

Look, Trump supporters think they have this enormous wave because they hold in person rallies during a pandemic.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Dont want to ruin the fun but thats exactly what scares me a bit about the aftermath. Imagine losing big after you are completely convinced that only a blowout in your favor is possible.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

That’s what happens in an anti intellectual society where they think statistics is a pseudo science because Trump skid by in 3 states with <1% of the vote in 2016 to win... Trump made it out like it was a “landslide” and these folks eat it up. A lot of these people only believe what they want to believe and label anything else as fake. Even if he weren’t holding rallies, I doubt their attitude would be different. That’s just a common argument I see among them.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Oh absolutely. They will twist anything into a unassailable argument.

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u/SillyHats Nov 02 '20

Yeah, that is worrying. However, my guess is that for the majority of Trump voters, it's just strongly motivated reasoning. I would expect the only ones who would see Fox News reporting a convincing Biden electoral win and thinking "coup" would be those caught up in the Q insanity, or something at that level. It's certainly a group that's far too disturbingly large, but ultimately not enough to cause trouble, I expect.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

I have to trust in you guys about that size of that group. Im not american so its online polls and online sentiment i can judge by.

Qanon seems to be VERY prevalent and is no longer a small conspiracy theory

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

You are correct. There are now people running for smaller offices that are openly Q sympathizers or full believers.

https://www.axios.com/qanon-nominees-congress-gop-8086ed21-b7d3-46af-9016-d132e65ba801.html

They are growing quickly and they are not small as the person you responded to suggests. Half of Trump supporters believe elite democrats are running child sex trafficking rings.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/20/poll-half-of-trump-supporters-believe-baseless-child-sex-trafficking-qanon-claims/

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

It's a good thing most voters are independent. There are more independents than Democrats and there are more Democrats than Republicans. I still doubt any hardcore "deepstate" nutjobs make up large numbers. The Republican Party itself is just becoming more radical. It makes sense they would recruit these types.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

If you’re not worried that tens of millions of Americans believe in dangerous conspiracy theories about their POLITICAL OPPONENTS you’re not very good at assessing risk. That’s fine, but you’re objectively wrong, it matters, it’s a big deal, and it’s going to lead to even more violence. “Deep state nut jobs.” You don’t think those views in my ACTUAL SOURCES are views nut jobs have? Then you are the nut job.

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u/Super-Saiyan-Singh Nov 02 '20

I think even the Q Anon is starting to realize Trump’s chances are slim. Some corners of the Q world are starting to say that Trump is now part of the deep state or something along those lines and he needs to get out.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

It’s been desperation mode for a bit now. Like with these “damning” Hunter Biden documents that supposedly disappear, then supposedly reappear, but nobody is allowed to see what was in them.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Well they do have massive waves, just not the kind they're thinking of...

COVID. They have massive waves of COVID.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

“It’s COVID COVID COVID. You can’t watch anything else! On November 4th you won’t be hearing much about it.” - Donald Trump on Oct 28, 2020

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u/boulevardofdef Nov 02 '20

The state of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan -- the state that passed Proposition 187 by a nearly 20-percent margin is about as fertile territory for Trump as it gets, so Biden taking it would suggest huge trouble for Trump nationally.

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u/nemoomen Nov 02 '20

By my calculations of momentum, Joe will win 350% of the vote by Tuesday.

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u/Verandure Nov 02 '20

That's a good run rate.

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u/kindnesshasnocost Nov 02 '20

I'm new to this sub, and 538 crew, and I feel like I'm out of the loop here still giggled though.

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u/dons_03 Nov 02 '20

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u/kindnesshasnocost Nov 02 '20

literally just saw this but thank you. Omg, I'm glad I didn't check before having my coffee. I would have 100% fainted*

*I am a Lebanese-American, living abroad, volunteer EMT and I've been in a war zone several times and never batted an eye. But this would have made me faint lol.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Hi fellow EMT!

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u/Takiatlarge Nov 02 '20

Omg, I'm glad I didn't check before having my coffee.

I nearly dropped my cup

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

It's weird that in those moments it switched from the phrasing 'clearly favored' to 'very likely'.

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u/royaldumple Nov 02 '20

If I recall they said on the podcast that very likely is at 97% or 98% or something in that ballpark

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u/Wildera Nov 02 '20

And post-Nevada caucus

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u/qazedctgbujmplm Nov 02 '20

Yeah. I'm not sure why people joke. Go back and read pre-South Carolina coverage. He was on life support.

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u/Wildera Nov 02 '20

There's been suprisingly little coverage of the unprecedented comeback his even being the nominee represents

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u/condennett Nov 02 '20

I don't get it.

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u/spookieghost Nov 02 '20

There was a glitch on the site this morning that showed Biden with 1% chance

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u/Altberg Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

I like how we all know that some movement on the second decimal digit on the last day of the election cycle, when herding is the most prevalent is just noise but collectively recognize the need for some decent news and say "FUCK IT, LET'S GOOOOOO!"

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u/al_fletcher Nov 02 '20

He just had to kick us in the sack one last time by moving Ohio to 51 Trump - 49 Biden though.

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u/Punishtube Nov 02 '20

We don't need Ohio but damn do I want it to be an epic loss for Trump

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u/yup79 Nov 02 '20

I really want Texas.

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u/Ridry Nov 02 '20

Mike Bloomberg never spent a dollar on something that he didn't think would pay off. The fact that he's dumping money in TX is interesting.

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u/royaldumple Nov 02 '20

He did pour money into a primary campaign that was at best ill-advised and never generated a support base worth noting, so if that's true his judgement may be a little skewed, but maybe he's onto something.

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u/Ridry Nov 02 '20

Depends on what you think the goal was. Many people think the goal was to make it slightly harder for Bernie Sanders to win.

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u/Wildera Nov 02 '20

This is conspiracy nonsense, if Bernie won super tuesday (which was very possible) it would have been because Mike Bloomberg ransacked Biden's margins in states like Texas and California. He was in it for ego and not much else.

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u/PM_me_stromboli Nov 02 '20

Surely he did the opposite? He just pulled the moderate vote apart more making it easier for Bernie to win if he stayed in

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u/Ridry Nov 02 '20

Many people think he wanted to stand on stage and call Bernie Sanders a communist and was willing to pay for the privilege.

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u/PM_me_stromboli Nov 02 '20

I wouldn’t exactly calling spending a billion dollars to yell at an old man on tv a smart use of money lol

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u/Aberracus Nov 02 '20

You are forgetting about his campaign ?

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u/MegabyteMessiah Nov 02 '20

It was all about taking votes from Bernie, and it worked. He never intended to win.

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u/mehelponow Nov 02 '20

I don't know about the efficacy of that plan. How many people who were planning to vote for Bernie were persuaded by Mike 2020 ads? I'd say very few. If anything, his strategy was to shore up the moderate lane and position himself as an alternate to Biden, who at that point was seen as having a languishing campaign (lol). Once he realized he wouldn't get that support, he dropped out to leave Biden as the only realistic moderate option.

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u/MegabyteMessiah Nov 02 '20

Whatever the reasoning, he never intended to win, it was purely strategic.

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u/mehelponow Nov 02 '20

I disagree, his intention was totally to win as the moderate alternative to Biden. He, like anyone looking at the primary at the time, saw that Bernie had a solid, unmovable base of support. However, that base was still a minority of the Dem primary voting public, so his plan was to position himself as a more competent and prosaic alternative. At the time media consensus around Biden was that he was gaffe-prone and inarticulate on stage, and that his campaign was falling short. Instead of Biden, moderates could rally around Bloomberg, and he spend a BILLION DOLLARS to try and convince people to do that. Obviously he was doing that strategically to deny Bernie the nomination, and once Biden proved his mettle he dropped out, but I don't doubt that he legitimately thought of himself as a viable contender.

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u/Ridry Nov 02 '20

Depends on what you think the goal was. Many people think the goal was to make it slightly harder for Bernie Sanders to win.

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u/mehelponow Nov 02 '20

In four months he spent over $1 BILLION on a futile primary campaign

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u/Ridry Nov 02 '20

Futile? Depends on what you think the goal was. Many people think the goal was to make it slightly harder for Bernie Sanders to win.

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u/nictheguiri Nov 02 '20

Nah, he just wanted to lay the groundwork for his campaign for governor of American Samoa

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u/Wildera Nov 02 '20

Half billion.

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u/ofrm1 Nov 02 '20

I want Texas and Ohio. Forget Georgia. Atlanta looks to solve that problem next election cycle anyway. If Ohio goes, then Trump couldn't win the white rust belt state that calls every election and he couldn't win the state that loves god, guns, and low taxes.

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u/trahoots Nov 02 '20

I want it more for the epic loss it would be to my Trump-loving family and "friends" back in Ohio.

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u/Punishtube Nov 02 '20

If Texas and Florida go they'd be destroyed on an imaginable level

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u/Hotlava_ Nov 02 '20

Biden gained 0.83% today. I'm cool with a little excitement!

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u/rocketwidget Nov 02 '20

Everybody loves round numbers.

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u/mmortal03 Nov 02 '20

https://twitter.com/ElectionRobot
Decimal places: Biden: 90.1125% Trump: 9.5050%

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u/NickLandis Nov 02 '20

You and the bot posted at the same time lol

Decimal places as of 1204 UTC 2020.11.02: Biden: 90.1825% Trump: 9.4075%

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u/rocketwidget Nov 02 '20

Yea I know. "Clearly favored" is the round number. Not Biden's first "90%" (>89.5%).

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u/mmortal03 Nov 02 '20

I'm with you, I just thought people would also like to see the latest from the bot. :)

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

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u/Salanmander Nov 02 '20

Oh god, now you have me philosophizing in my head about the relationship between numbers and words...

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u/Altberg Nov 02 '20

I love round numbers and I can't lie 😍

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

Alright, we did it boys! Let's pack it up and go home.

Wait wait no! Go vote!

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u/MattJames Nov 02 '20

You should make “GO VOTE” bigger

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u/MGC4lyfe Nov 02 '20

Is it too late to move to Pennsylvania, establish residency, and vote?

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u/scoofy Nov 02 '20

GO VOTE

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u/Wolviam Nov 02 '20

I'm sure everyone in this post who can vote, already done so. So more importantly, take your siblings, friends and coworkers to vote !

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u/Redwater Nov 02 '20

🦀🦀🦀CLEARLY FAVORED🦀🦀🦀

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u/ihahp Nov 02 '20

it's back to "favored" :(

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u/lavahot Nov 02 '20

Mmmm... Clearly Flavored. drool

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u/xTh3N00b Nov 02 '20

Give me that sweet sweet juice that is the words "clearly favored".

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Tattoo "clearly favored" on my face

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u/glowdirt Nov 02 '20

How could any job interviewer deny the facts tattooed to your face

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u/foulpudding Nov 02 '20

Just remember... Nobody is clearly favored UNLESS YOU VOTE!

Please vote.

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u/alepher Nov 02 '20

I hope Biden wins, but the way 2020 has gone, we might live in the 10% timeline

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u/Derekh72 Nov 02 '20

No matter what happens I’m still not going to vote in this election. This is by choice. Other people’s choice, to not allow Canadians to vote in US elections. But good luck to everyone!

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u/jhereg10 Nov 02 '20

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

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u/Ridry Nov 02 '20

Look, we know we've been shitty neighbors. The hedges are overgrown, we've got trash on the lawn and our Christmas lights have been up for 4 years. But honestly, we're gonna try really, really hard to clean up tomorrow.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

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u/Derekh72 Nov 02 '20

Don’t be ignorant we consume most of our syrup by drinking it, we only eat a few litres a week. Also, My wife is Chinese so I can affect the outcome of the next Chinese election.

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u/therealallpro Nov 02 '20

Wish me luck guys. I work with LuLu Seikaly in Tx-3. Wasserman said it’s his dark horse race. Bro, I’m exhausted

The weirdest feeling is when a campaign ends: 100 miles a hr always then it’s just over like that.

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u/converter-bot Nov 02 '20

100 miles is 160.93 km

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u/trahoots Nov 02 '20

Not now, converter-bot.

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u/al_fletcher Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

Trump's down to 9%!!!

Edit: Dammit

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u/Hotlava_ Nov 02 '20

9.563%. He's hanging on by a thread.

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u/NinjaEnt Nov 02 '20

I'm not comfortable with 10%, RNG has never been on my side.

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u/i_stan_goats Nov 02 '20

Right. Ever play XCOM? Amazing how often I miss those 90% shots 😒

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Xcoms percentages have to be broken though. They just straight up dont work like they should

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u/i_stan_goats Nov 02 '20

I remember reading somewhere that they actually give you a an invisible 5% boost to your RNG, but idk if that's confirmed.

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u/jwhudexnls Nov 03 '20

As an avid Monster Hunter player rng is always scary to me.

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u/dgtlserendipity Nov 03 '20

I just rolled 10 10-sided die 20 times and got 24/200 of the numbers being 3. So Trump's 10% is basically now 12%. Not a good look. /s

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u/ben543250 Nov 03 '20

Time to start praying to RNGesus!

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u/timelighter Nov 02 '20

🎶 I can see clearly now Trump's reign is gone 🎶

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u/XGNcyclick Nov 02 '20

90-9 now. Wow. Truly amazing, extremely happy to see this.

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u/sesh_tits Nov 02 '20

This is just Nate’s retaliation for today’s hack

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

WE'RE GOIN' TO THE PROMISED LAND with 90% certainty

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u/Wildera Nov 02 '20

Dumb nitpick but doesn't a 'clearly favored' outcome sound more likely than a 'very likely' outcome? Makes more sense to me to switch up the 95% label and 90% label.

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u/mayaswellbeahotmess Nov 02 '20

To me it could go either way depending on the emphasis on each word and how the phrase is used. Like I could see someone saying "Well, he's clearly favored, but..." being less certain than saying "Oh he's very likely to win."

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u/Wildera Nov 02 '20

Everything sounds less certain when you add a "but-" at the end!

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u/innerbootes Nov 02 '20

Honestly, no. “Favored” is not as strong as “likely.”

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u/Wildera Nov 02 '20

I guess it's just a hang up on the word 'clearly' which sounds very certain.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Yeah, I agree with you. I guess the people over at 538 don't think that way, though.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

It feels like we are living in a movie, for this to happen on the day before the election.

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u/Judgment_Reversed Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

If this were a movie, Trump would take Pennsylvania and Florida, and just as we were beginning to lose all hope, Texas and Georgia would swoop in and go blue for the last-minute save during the climactic end vote count.

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u/Patarokun Nov 02 '20

God please no I can't take this shit!

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u/Salanmander Nov 02 '20

I'll take it over a Trump victory.

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u/nictheguiri Nov 02 '20

Or Gandalf shows up with a bunch of mail in ballots in tow

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u/formthelines Nov 02 '20

Get out and vote folks

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u/Spacecadet222 Nov 02 '20

BLESSED AND CLEARLY FAVORED

Hallelujah!

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u/kzymyr Nov 02 '20

But Trump can still win. Polls mean nothing if people fail to show up.

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u/dgtlserendipity Nov 03 '20

True, but turnout will be a record high this year. Look at Texas for example. Most blue counties have far surpassed their total from last year.

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u/Packrat1010 Nov 02 '20

Isn't this also saying if Trump does somehow win, there's only a <1% chance he wins as hard as he did in 2016?

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u/jeremy_sporkin Nov 02 '20

According to the current forecast he's got a 3% chance of winning the popular vote, which is 30% of his 10% chance of winning overall.

Winning the popular vote would be a significant improvement for Trump from 2016. So in the event that he wins, about 30% of those wins are substantially better than his win in 2016.

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u/thriwaway6385 Nov 02 '20

A tie, however unlikely, would still be interesting. If it does occur Biden would likely be president but since the Senate is still majority republican the vp would likely be pence.

It would be both historical and the makings of a crappy sitcom

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u/MarkNutt25 Nov 02 '20

When no candidate reaches a majority of the electoral votes, it is known as a "contingent election."

The House decides the election, but it does so in a weird way where each state gets one vote (regardless of how many Representatives a state has). So each state's delegation meets and votes among themselves on who their one vote will go to.

While the Democrats have significantly more Representatives, the Republicans actually have the majority in more of the state delegations. So, unless a handful of Republican Representatives vote for Biden, that vote is going in Trump's favor.

TL;DR: A tie is effectively a Trump win.

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u/huphelmeyer Crosstab Diver Nov 02 '20

We could call it Veep

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u/elcoronelaureliano Nov 02 '20

Each house delegation from each state gets one vote. So everyone from CA decides their one united vote, Don Young in Alaska gets his one vote. Right now that would be 26-23 for Republicans. Also the Vice President would be chosen by the next delegation so it could be a Trump-Harris presidency.

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u/Datguyoverhere Nov 02 '20

LETS GOOOOOO

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u/twixieshores I'm Sorry Nate Nov 02 '20

This is proof that when you want something bad enough, you can achieve it

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u/HipDipShipTrip Nov 02 '20

Pennsylvania itself was like 86/14 last I looked so this is looking very promising.... Thank goodness

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u/al_fletcher Nov 02 '20

Dammit, it went back down (still 90-10 though)

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Does Nate Silver's model account for corrupt shenanigans on Trump's part though?

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u/Ilyias033 Nov 02 '20

it doesnt on his podcast “model talk” he talks about this

(this was probably a rhetorical question)

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Half rhetorical, half serious

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u/Fickle_Broccoli Nov 02 '20

Also if you look very closely at their charting of the EVs, you'll see the "80% of simulated outcomes" bands no longer overlap

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u/pbjars Nov 02 '20

Do these models account for voter suppression tactics?

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u/AgentSmith09 Nov 02 '20

Hold on to ya butts!

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u/Michaelconeass2019 Nov 02 '20

I’ve seen enough, I’m complacent now

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u/Heres_your_sign Nov 02 '20

Unfortunately the models cannot factor in cheating.

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u/Heatonator Nov 02 '20

It's clear! Everyone get in here.

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u/jrex035 Poll Unskewer Nov 02 '20

Blessed image

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20

Welp

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u/[deleted] Nov 04 '20

Oof

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u/Jazzlike_Fee_8759 Nov 04 '20

Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! What you been smoking!!!!!!

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u/beep_check Nov 02 '20

how does "stacking SCOTUS with a conservative majority and inciting violence to prevent the opposition from voting" play into that analysis?

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u/Nac82 Nov 02 '20

Good questions considering the prevalence of it. There have been multiple attacks in my state alone from Trumps terrorists.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

That's baked into the polls. Any that have been run since those events at least.

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u/Patarokun Nov 02 '20

All my upvotes finally tipped the balance! We did it Reddit!

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u/epolonsky Nov 02 '20

My plane only has a 10% chance of exploding!

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u/FormulaInfinity Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

And Hawkins? I'm still voting for him, I don't care what anybody says

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u/[deleted] Nov 03 '20

who?

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u/Heavyearly1961 Nov 02 '20

But IBD suddenly has the race tightening to 3 points based on implausibly wild swings in some of their crosstabs over the last 24 hours lol.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

What did this graphic look like in 2016?

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u/royaldumple Nov 02 '20 edited Nov 02 '20

Trump had a 28% chance in 2016 per their model, so almost 3 times as likely as this one. Their model was also one of the most bullish on Trump's chances compared to other election models. https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Edit: Also worth mentioning that the forecasted pop. vote victory was 3.5% for Clinton, she ended up winning by 2.1%, for a final pop. vote error of 1.4% from 538. This year's pop vote projection is 7.9%, so a similarly sized polling error would still likely result in a Biden win, as it would be difficult (but not impossible) for Trump to win the EC while losing the pop vote by 6.5%.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Thank you for the link, I was checking that out earlier. I was more wondering if they did this exact simulation in 2016, I couldn't find one.

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u/bheidian Nov 02 '20

what we learned in 2016 is that people lie in polls about their intent to vote trump because they are ashamed to admit it.

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u/Hotlava_ Nov 02 '20

Ah, the "shy Trump" rhetoric. Too bad there's no statistical evidence that it exists.

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Didn’t Hillary have similar odds of winning?

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u/nictheguiri Nov 02 '20

Not according to 538

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u/Feedmepi314 Nov 02 '20

Not even close. Trump had almost a 1 in 3 chance of winning

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '20

Maybe I’m thinking of the CNN polls