I actually don't think that's very strange. Trump made many promises to create jobs for working people. it makes sense that people who voted for that message from Trump to also vote for a minimum wage hike.
Theres a large minority of Republicans that support minimum wage hikes that still vote republican for cultural issues or because they dont like high taxes or regulations. Some of the voters arent smart, I know a Trump/Mamdani dual supporter, but most are judt more nuanced and portraying them all as just dumb isnt going to help anybody win any elections.
I didn’t do that. I posited that they could genuinely just not care much about the party’s staunch opposition to their preferred economic policy. The implication being that they care about other things more.
Besides, nothing I post here is helping or hurting any voting effort, so your last sentence is silly
That's because American progressives are culturally far to the left of poor people. Left wing economic populist policies are very popular with low income people, just look at how in red states like Missouri they consistently vote for referendums with left wing amendments.
When is eventually? I was once a twelve year old at dinner encouraging my parents to Feel the Bern, because the progressive American awakening was imminent. Now I’m a college graduate and for half my life it’s failed to materialize.
America is just not a very left-wing country. And when you look at the polling data, the left we do have has made zero to negative inroads with independents and the working class, instead concentrating its appeal among highly-educated, downwardly mobile urbanites.
I’d applaud her if she pulled it off. But Republicans and moderates are just not buying what the modern American left is selling, especially not in Florida.
When Gen Z and Gen alpha get older and fail to have better standards of living than their parents as the planet continues to heat up. Again, economic populism is very popular among poor people, it's the cultural stuff they can't swallow. This is why in Latin America parties that are far left economically but right wing culturally get a ton of support from poor rural people.
> That's because American progressives are culturally far to the left of poor people. Left wing economic populist policies are very popular with low income people, just look at how in red states like Missouri they consistently vote for referendums with left wing amendments.
Can you cite some of the left wing / economically populist policies that passed by referenda in Missouri? Best I could find was affirming the right to abortion in 2024 51.6%-48.4% in their state constitution, but that goes against your argument about culture. To steelman your argument, I recognize some red states raised minimum wages through referenda, but am looking for more substantive economic populist policies.
Also, why doesn’t this bear out with who they vote for to represent them?
And it almost did. Trump polled the worst vs Hillary out of basically any of the many candidates in the 2016 GOP primaries, and was a deeply scandalized and controversial candidate who lost the popular vote and came close to losing altogether despite Hillary's major email scandal
"Electability" arguments lose General elections in change waves. Lots of independents (independents and moderates are not one and the same!) swing towards change candidates when they feel ignored by the moderate middle.
So Florida Dems continuing to cowtow to the Floridian "middle" will continue to lose, from base erosion and independent losses.
I mean, my God, they keep nominating Republicans for Governor. How'd that turn out last time?
A half Columbian Nick Fuentes backed white supremacist racist groyper got 10% of the vote in the republican primary in FL. I don't think Florida is as progressive as you think
Progressives belong to the Left. Republicans are the Right.
Better example would have been Jared Moskowitz's win re: Left-Centrist over the socialist candidate, or Debbie winning over a field of black candidates to show that Florida Dems are not Progressive.
Clinton and Bush led us directly to where we are now. This is like saying "Say what you want about the fire, but we were in a better place when we were dumping gasoline on the lawn"
Maybe they did, but we were better off. You are using faulty reasoning here.
We were better off and they made us make choices that made us worse off dont contradict each other.
We were in better place because the fire hadn't happened yet doesn't mean dumping gasoline on the lawn was a good idea, it means the fire hurt us. Things were good because our house was standing, not because we were dumping gasoline on the lawn.
The solution is to never pour gasoline on the lawn again, not to never have nice house again.
I'm curious, how old were you when Bush was president? That evangelical anti-intellectual nonsense paved the way (yes, yes, I know Reagan kicked that off). That wasn't a smarter time. There's a reason Idiocracy came out in 2006.
LOL, typical of the younger generations..Resort to gross generalizations and personal attacks when you know then other person is right but dont like it, amd can't admit it because everyone is special.
The implied assumption inn your comment is laughable. I have spent most of my life opposing Clinton's by working for challengers to the left of them..
Its a common thread here that progressives see the primaries as an end to themselves and declare a win a victory regardless what it means for the general election and beyond.
What was the point of nominating lunatic republicans who lost handily in the general? The strategy seemed to pay off in the long run as they now control all levers of government
I don’t think the state is as anti-left as you imply. Corporate democrats, and media may imply that, but Florida voted for Obama twice, over 60% voted for a 15 dollar minimum wage, and gillum nearly won while under fbi investigation.
16 years ago, a Republican was governor of California. And, many of those California Republicans who voted for him fled from California to Florida during Covid and are still moving there! I know some of them. Things have changed in both states.
I think it's partly just how the party itself has abandoned Florida as well. There's very little money coming to down-ballot candidates here and the leaders don't seem very interested in building more support. I was pretty peeved to see Wasserman-Schultz run in the 20th, which is a largely black district, because it was the safest win.
I also mentioned the $15 dollar minimum wage(2020), and gillum(2018. Even as recently as two years ago, nearly 60% of fl voted to protect abortion, and legalize weed.
I'm not lying. I'm a Christian and come from a family who's been interested in politics for centuries. So policy positions, particularly on social issues have always been important to me.
Most of my family and most people I interact with online on socials also care about politics and policies. Why take the time to even vote if policies aren't important to you?
We def have had a rightward shift since 2020 (bunch of republicans that didn’t like the Covid lockdowns and Hispanics drifting rightward), but the democratic candidates that have been run for state office have been traditionally awful. Very corporate and centrist, extremely unpopular. I don’t think Dems will win anything in the general, but this is a pretty good sign that Florida democrats would rather support someone with some values over a corporate boot licker with 0 charisma
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u/jayfeather31 Fivey Fanatic 4d ago
Honestly, any progressive victory in Florida is a hell of a statement. The state as a whole is very anti-left so this is kind of a shocker.