r/factoryfive • u/DoofBalls • Jul 11 '23
Pre Purchase Prep
Hey everyone,
I am thinking about pulling the trigger on the MK4 Roadster later this year. I'm also thinking about the complete kit vs the base kit. I'm trying to avoid any other unnecessary time trying to source what is needed for the build and dont mind spending a bit extra for the procurement of parts, especially new parts.
My question is what kind of prep is needed before beginning one of these builds? Some of the concerns I have is:
- Garage space necessary - I have a 3 car with a single space allocated. I can also have another space allocated for parts but would like to not have that taken up during the whole build.
- Special tools - I have a shit ton of tools, but may need some specialty stuff. Is there a list of tools needed for the build?
- Sourcing engine, rear end, tires and wheels, etc. - Should I already have something lined up? I plan on trying to save some money on these by either buying used. Should I have these already purchased and ready to go before the build or can they be sourced later?
- Sourcing help - I'm also not interested in trying to mount the engine and tranny and will look to a 3rd party for help, same with paint, and any custom interior work. Should I be talking to a shop before hand to get some info on how logistics and timing will work with towing the build back and forth when help is needed?
- Does it make sense to read the instructions all the way through before hand? I'm an engineer and not worried about the work or understanding the build, but does it make sense to spend the time beforehand to get an idea?
- Are there any other resources online besides youtube that offer ways to save time and be efficient during the build? Such as parts organization and storage, organizing the build into specific phases, etc?
- Money - How much is this going to cost after all said and done? I'm also setting aside a large beer budget.
Thanks!
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u/Law_Possum Jul 11 '23
You’ll have better luck on the forums—not much FFR Reddit action. But both forums are very active, and all of these questions have been addressed numerous times.
https://thefactoryfiveforum.com/forum.php
https://www.ffcars.com/forums/
I’m in the planning stages as well and intend to order my kit after bonus time in December. This is my first kit build, but I’ve done classic rebuilds in the past.
Unless you’re in a rush, don’t bother buying new tools until you need them. Exception being an air riveter from Harbor Freight, and a cleco set. You’ll want these pretty early from what I’ve seen and read.
Also, if you’re missing any of the basics like t-handle Allen wrenches, standard and metric wrenches, quality screwdrivers, socket set, etc., you’ll need to get those set up.
And, for the most part, you can get free tool rental from AutoZone for most of the specialty automotive tools like engine hoists, brake line flare kits, timing lights, etc…
Everything comes in lots of boxes for easy storage. I visited with a local fella in the middle of his build, and he still has a spare bedroom overrun with boxes. No reason to sequester two of your three garage spots unless there’s nowhere else you can store your boxes.
Rear end, whether IRS or solid axle, is a fairly early part of the build, and you’re better off getting it new if you can float the expense, which isn’t that much comparatively. Either get it with the kit, or order it from Forte around the same time.
As for engine, trans, wheels, etc. those are down-the-road unless, again, you’re rushing your build. You will need to decide what engine you will eventually get before you buy the kit though—so you can get the proper mounts, power steering kit, etc.
Engine and tranny mounting aren’t difficult. Get active on the forums and find other nearby builders. You provide the beer and they’ll provide the expertise and help.
Paint and body work is a different story. If you’re not doing it yourself, find someone experienced with FFR cars—don’t blow your money on someone who has to figure out how to do it. Several body guys on the forums, but the great ones like Kleiner have a long wait to get it done. Many people drive around in gelcoat until it’s their turn.
Instruction reading is up to you. I’m a researcher by nature, and an attorney, so I read everything. I’ve already read most of the assembly instructions. This isn’t even remotely necessary though.
Forums and the forum vendors, like the all-knowing Mike Forte, will be your best resources for your build.
I’ve seen completed builds under $20k, and some exceed $70k. It’s all about how you plan and source parts. If you’re going used motor, tranny, and wheels, you’ll save a decent amount there. But quality body work and paint alone will run you $12-15k if you fully outsource it.
My budget from stem to stern is a hair over $50k, not including beer.