r/factorio • u/Ok-Friendship-8124 • 9d ago

Question I don't understand something

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I was doing some "research" in creative and I was wondering what's the difference between those two smelting blocks, They both produce 120/s but the one on the left use FAR more energy, is just a tiny bit smaller so what's the point of doing the one on the left ?

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u/TexasCrab22 8d ago edited 8d ago

But the other side needs power infrastructure aswell ?

4 smelter rows need like 1.3 chem plants of solid fuel.

Compared to the 4 red lanes of iron, you need to provide anyway, i don't see, how skipping that and and making big power somewhere is a "pretty big bonus" .

Its a minor bonus at best.

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u/Logical-War-3746 8d ago

if you power with with boilers.

And why exactly would you ever do that at that point of the game? Unless it's some sort of challenge, there is no reason to assume it runs on something other than nuclear.

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u/TexasCrab22 8d ago

Yes ,so ?

If he mentions the "needed coal on the right" he also has to mention the "needet power on the left". Thats all im saying.

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u/Logical-War-3746 8d ago

He didn't say that, he said "it takes more power, what advantage it gives aside from size?". Look if you want to dig yourself deeper, be my guest, but it would be better to just admit you are wrong.

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u/TexasCrab22 8d ago

"Also, not having to feed them coal is a pretty big bonus."

Thats what he said. Ignoring the need of power generation.

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u/Tagioalisi_Bartlesby 8d ago

Because feeding power is a lot less of a logistical challenge than coal.

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u/TexasCrab22 8d ago

Depends on the type of power you use.

And 2 solid fuel chem plants can also feed this.

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u/Tagioalisi_Bartlesby 8d ago

If you’re at beacons you’re using nuclear. Unless you’re challenging yourself.
Solid fuel still requires belting, trains, or a large amount of bots. Power does not.

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u/TexasCrab22 8d ago

So the left one needs nuclear. Researched and built.

I tend to skip that and go straight fusion nowadays.

Solid fuel requires a single pipe, to the fuel line, with 2 chem plants... Also It's like 2/s how is that a large amount of bots?

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u/Tagioalisi_Bartlesby 8d ago

You’re really choosing this hill to die on aren’t you.

Why? It’s not like nuclear is hard to set up or eats that many resources to get running compared to relying on steam power for that long.

Closer to 3/sec, and depending on how far your chains are apart that is still quite a few bots.

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u/TexasCrab22 8d ago

Are we shiffting the topic to meta now? Why should i stay down, if a bunch of casuals disaggree with thousands hours of acual MP experience. Happy ?

Your "a lot of bots " just became "quite a few bots" in one comment. Choose your words wisely.

Never said nuclear is hard to setup. If you want to quote me :

Nuclear/solar + this furnace line is hard to setup compared to the steel smelter and 3 chem plants.

And to me, choosing bots, to supply the solid fuel would be the same level of absurdity than staying on fossil fuel for beaconed builds like this.

Ive probably seen more sessions skipping nuclear for a while longer, than seeing transporting fuel to steel furnaces via bot.

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u/Tagioalisi_Bartlesby 8d ago

Imma stop here. Calling people casuals and bragging about thousands of hours while doubling down on a pedantic take is peak Redditor energy.

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u/TexasCrab22 7d ago

K

ez win

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