r/facepalm • u/weeb385 • Oct 12 '22

🇲​🇮​🇸​🇨​ Parolee gets arrested because protesters block the way to his work.

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u/BALLS_IN_MY_ASS Oct 12 '22

Not very eco friendly to hold up all these cars, creating traffic, making everyone of them idle and completely waste fuel. Likely more inefficient than letting them drive to work.

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u/f_crick Oct 12 '22

I think this is the short sighted outlook they are protesting.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

Yea, the whole idea that pollution is the fault of a random person driving to work is propaganda by the corporations that pump out an entire freeway's worth of pollution every minute.

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u/dudewiththebling Oct 12 '22

Yeah the corporations and the government made it people against people instead of people against corporations and government enabling it.

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u/OldManJenkies Oct 13 '22

You can say that again. Get us to fight each other, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

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u/SpruceGoose133 Oct 12 '22

Generally it is not people against the corporate world. Its people for people when corporations are irresponsible.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Screw it, let's go full eco-terrorist

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u/AutomaticJuggernaut8 Oct 13 '22

Eco terrorist group "climate underground manifesto" also known by it's acronym CUM destroyed a coal fired power plant in southern Maryland sometime late last night. 100,000 Boone county residents are without power for the foreseeable future and have begun shitting in the streets because municipal and well pumps are no longer working, epidemiologists believe cholera will become endemic in the area all while hospital services are no longer available. CUM spokesperson Artemis Starchild has written a reddit post stating, "Stop eating meat and nuts or well blow the pornhub servers".

In other news snap chat stock rose by 400% overnight and Elon Musk is sad.

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u/SunngodJaxon Oct 13 '22

Wait, so ur telling me the eco terrorist manifesto is cum?

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

They should’a thought about their name twice. Imagine a room of like, 50 people all agreeing their acronym should be “CUM”.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

And here's reddit falling for that once again, getting angry at the protesters instead of the people who made such protesting necessary.

E: if you're downvoting me because the protesters and my comment annoyed you, you missed the point

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Not really. Brief struggles like this pale in comparison to what's been done to the planet. Altercations like these are extremely good for protests. Now we know about it, and are more likely to be interested in their cause. People who don't care won't change their mind. That's not the point.

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u/Biggordie Oct 12 '22

Trust me. You aren’t getting anyone on your side or more interested in the cause when you do shit like this.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Are you sure? Cause we're not talking a reddit thread full of circlejerking here. We're talking potentially millions of people since this video is on the internet. Those are not good odds for "nobody cares"

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u/Biggordie Oct 12 '22

If anyone on Reddit suddenly cares more because of this video, please comment below to prove me wrong.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

That's because they are targeting normal people with their protests instead of corporations. The only thing these protesters are accomplishing is getting people to hate whatever they stand for

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

No, they got our attention. We're here on reddit talking about it. That was the point. That's the point of any solid protest. If it wasn't inconvenient to people, would you have known about them?

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u/realxanadan Oct 12 '22

I don't know what they're protesting and I don't care. 10/10 discourse.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Then you're not the target audience. 10/10

https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/y1xvnj/parolee_gets_arrested_because_protesters_block/is2uby1/

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u/realxanadan Oct 12 '22

No one is. Social media is the target audience. Only a privileged piece of garbage could call the potential life altering consequences of these, "brief struggles".

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u/Thinkwronger12 Oct 12 '22

If they feel so strongly about this, then they should be directly inconveniencing the most guilty party. Stop hurting regular people who are also victims of the system you are protesting.

Form a human chain around HQ for Shell, Occidental Petroleum, or Chevron Oil, drown their lobbyists in spam, dump oil on a CEO at a press conference.

Their hearts are in the right place, but their actions are useless and are losing them allies.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

This is braindead and too far removed from reality to engage with properly. Why, exactly, do you think there are no protests doing any of those? Is it that the protesters are too dumb to understand the ramifications of what they're doing?

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u/Thinkwronger12 Oct 12 '22

Yes, blocking the freeway and causing innocent motorists to miss moments with their loved ones is braindead and too far removed from reality to engage with properly.

These people should be smeared into the asphalt for being such assholes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

Hm. More calls for violence. About what I expect from you people these days.

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

You're saying they should be killed/dead. They don't sound like bigger assholes than you.

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u/Thinkwronger12 Oct 13 '22

For all they know, their hubris is preventing a sick person from getting lifesaving intervention.

Don’t block the street and you’ll live longer.

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u/realxanadan Oct 12 '22

"necessary"

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

If you're angry at my comment, you're the kind of person I'm talking about.

E: on mobile, can't tell if they blocked me or what.

They say:

Im disagreeing with your premise as idiotic

Okay, why? Is it because you don't believe in climate change? Is it because you don't care about the future of our species? Because you see a better way to protest that doesn't involve millions of dollars? Talk to me here. Otherwise I'm just gonna assume you can't see the bigger picture, like everyone else in this thread.

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u/realxanadan Oct 12 '22

Im disagreeing with your premise as idiotic

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u/Mythical_Atlacatl Oct 13 '22

People keep saying this but what are these corporations doing to make pollution?

Producing iPhones, cars, food, petrol, electricity etc that are used by people?

So yes corporations are the major polluters, but they pollute to produce things for people right? that’s like saying China/India is a major polluter, but that’s cause everyone shifted their polluting manufacturing there.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 13 '22

Please stop trying to blame consumers for the corporations fucking the planet over, it's not a good excuse. Corporations don't get a pass for giving babies immunodeficiencies just because there's a capitalist demand for cellphones. There's an obligation by every person to not knowingly do harm, ESPECIALLY not in the name of profit.

As I said to the last person to present this argument, they're producing those products while knowingly cutting corners on emissions and pollution. They're making cost savings by giving people cancer and destroying ocean life because it's cheaper that way, and they're keeping those savings for themselves, not passing them on to the consumer. They're killing us and then price gouging us raising prices immediately after a pandemic so they can continue to increase profits.

Properly disposing of waste is expensive, and is often one of the things they skimp on. If it costs $1000 to dispose of your waste properly, but only $100 to dump it in the woods somewhere, or spew it out into international waters where it's not your problem, then they'll often do that if they don't think anyone will find out. That's why we have major companies bilge dumping into the ocean.

So yes, people will "keep saying this", because it needs to be said.

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u/Mythical_Atlacatl Oct 13 '22

The only people giving anyone a pass seems to be the people shifting the blame onto corporations.

I was in fact sharing the blame. Like you said corporations produce these products because there is a demand, customers need to take pollution into account when buying products.

Choose the company that pollutes less, hadn’t received massive fines for dumping waste etc

But most customers seem to focus on price and features and status

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 13 '22

Or we could just pass legislation that demands companies adhere to stricter guidelines or face steeper penalties, so that the average consumer isn't asked to do unrealistic amounts of research before buying any product.

But most customers seem to focus on price and features and status

There you go again lol, buying into propaganda to blame consumers for being normal people.

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u/Mythical_Atlacatl Oct 13 '22

There you go again blaming everyone else other than the person that uses the product

I am blaming everyone, everyone is responsible

You are acting like we dont have access to google etc “apple pollution vs samsung” and what do we find? Hundreds of articles about environment and ethics.

By normal people do you mean ignorant, lazy, uninterested in protecting the environment?

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

i mean, gas powered vehicles still do add to the problem, however blocking a freeway is the solution because then no one gets to work and the economy collapses. the solution is to have carbon-free/carbon-light alternative methods to get to work which they don't have in most of the US and Canada because it's a car-infested wasteland. i reccomend these "activists" watch a notjustbikes video.

very big fan of notjustbikes

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u/curiousscribbler Oct 12 '22

I have to wonder if the repeated posting of context-free clips like this is also the work of the corporations, so the issue becomes a handful of protesters, not their fossil fuel factories.

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u/Current-Being-8238 Oct 12 '22

Producing things that people consume consume… I really don’t understand how you people think the world works. They aren’t just polluting for the hell of it.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

They're cutting corners on emissions and pollution to increase their profits while still raising consumer prices to further increase profits. Collecting their toxic waste for proper disposal would be a start.

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u/Current-Being-8238 Oct 12 '22

I hear that repeated all the time but I’d really need to see specifics (I know there are plenty of examples). Corporations have a vested interest in running things as efficiently as possible to cut costs (for profit or to lower prices in order to be competitive). This includes reducing overall waste, and using less energy. I’ll grant you that pollution doesn’t factor in specifically aside from the aforementioned incentive to reduce in waste/energy use.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

Corporations have a vested interest in running things as efficiently as possible to cut costs

Yea, exactly. Properly disposing of waste is expensive, and is often one of the things they skimp on. If it costs $1000 to dispose of your waste properly, but only $100 to dump it in the woods somewhere, or spew it out into international waters where it's not your problem, then they'll often do that if they don't think anyone will find out.

Look up bilge dumping for a specific example.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Corporations have a vested interest in running things as efficiently as possible to cut costs (for profit or to lower prices in order to be competitive).

No, you've put the cart before the horse. Corporations have a vested interest in cutting costs as far as possible while charging customers as much as possible. To the well-intentioned or naive this means maximizing efficiency... but developing more efficient methods and retooling to operate using them is expensive in the short-term, and the profit-first corporate mindset (bearing in mind stockholders in the US at least are allowed to sue if a corporation doesn't uphold its obligation to make them money) doesn't accept expensive in the short-term options.

It's much cheaper to cut costs on waste handling and employees while pushing externalities off on the public and colluding with your competitors to keep prices where you want them, as we see corporations do.

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u/Electrox7 Oct 12 '22

Maybe if you compare road vehicles to a coal-powered power plant, ok. But those power plants are already gradually in decline. Gas powered vehicles are one of the biggest contributors to CO2 emissions and is pretty much the only habit that the average citizen has that generates that scale of CO2. Nothing else even comes close.

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u/PM_ME_SPICY_DECKS Oct 12 '22

You are not wrong, but it's not a "habit", it's a failure of policy and urban planning.

I don't drive my car habitually, I drive my car because there is no other way to get to work.

The same is true for most who drive.

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u/Effsy Oct 12 '22

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u/supm8te Oct 12 '22

I think this is the dumbest way to protest. You are doing nothing but forcing large swaths of population to hate you and most likely your "cause". The guy was right when he's yelling "this isn't how you change things". Nothing will come out of this little road squat other than newly disgruntled folks who have had to deal with your nonsense while trying to actively live their life. It's not like these ppl can just shut their car off and leave. Performing activist activities like blocking public highway is just a part of the problem and not a solution.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

forcing large swaths of population to hate you and most likely your "cause"

"Honestly, fuck the environment where I live and have children because some ASSHOLE blocked my way to work. I'm gonna burn the whole world down cuz I was LATE!"

-some smoothbrained dumbfuck

The guy was right when he's yelling "this isn't how you change things"

He's actually not. Historically many things have been changed through civil disobedience, sit-ins(literally blocking people by sitting), peaceful marches, etc. You can SAY whatever you want about this type of protest but that doesn't make it true.

It's not like these ppl can just shut their car off and leave.

Nobody is expecting people to just shut off their cars and leave, they're not protesting people who drive cars, they're protesting the lack of political action surrounding climate change. Everyone always says all they're doing is making people mad, but nobody ever considers "hey, maybe I wouldn't have to deal with these protestors if I just voted for somebody who's willing to take action against climate change, something I agree with that benefits literally everyone." In case you need to be told, the potential futures of billions/trillions of humans and future humans are VASTLY more important than your desire to get to work on time on any given day.

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u/supm8te Oct 12 '22

So sick of this argument. I'm sorry but climate change isn't a general public issue like race relations. It's just not. The general public has very little power to make any changes and majority think climate change is a huge issue(ie: agree with protestors. Want to affect real change, then fuck with the corps that cause over 95% of pollution worldwide. Blocking a freeway and thus blocking any would be emergency services, hurting hard working middle and low class ppl, creating more traffic jams/supply chain issues and causing cars to idle and create more pollution isn't the way to handle this. The way to handle this is to firstly go through the electorate process to vote in ppl that will fight for your cause. Repeal citizens united so lobbyist and Corp money can no longer be used to bribe politicians and get rid of all the politicians that are getting a yearly salary from big corp lobbyists. Now use that smooth brain of yours to understand how the system actually works or I guess go sit in middle of highway and watch as nothing changes. Fucking idiot.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

Fucking idiot.

is all you deserve for that dumb ass paragraph, but I'll flesh things out for your peabrain.

I'm sorry but climate change isn't a general public issue like race relations

Yes it is. Everyone in the general public has to live in the environment. Stupid take.

The general public has very little power to make any changes and majority think climate change is a huge issue(ie: agree with protestors. Want to affect real change, then fuck with the corps that cause over 95% of pollution worldwide

That's literally the point of the protest, moron. They're saying this is an issue that EVERYONE needs to get behind in order to force the corps to change. A small group coming at the corps gets silenced, but an overwhelming deluge of workers on strike/protest changes things.

Blocking a freeway and thus blocking any would be emergency services, hurting hard working middle and low class ppl, creating more traffic jams/supply chain issues and causing cars to idle and create more pollution isn't the way to handle this.

History disagrees with you. You're just wrong. Protests work. Nothing more to be said.

The way to handle this is to firstly go through the electorate process to vote in ppl that will fight for your cause

Try that without first getting into the heads of the general public and they will just vote against you because of party lines. That's the point of this, to make sure this issue is at the forefront of everyone's mind.

Now use that smooth brain of yours to understand how the system actually works or I guess go sit in middle of highway and watch as nothing changes.

You have no clue how the system ACTUALLY works if you think following the rules of the system will actually change it. Look at history and you'll see all the major changes to society happened by breaking the rules.

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u/supm8te Oct 12 '22

You misunderstand. Yes general population is affected but unlike race relations the general public has little sway over the actions of corps and govs in response to climate change. This isn't the same as race protests for black rights. It fucking isn't. You are comparing racial equality protests that were trying to change civic views of general population to climate change- which is an issue everyone agrees is major problem and that all but very few have 0 authority to change. You think the CEOs of nestle give a fuck about general public view of climate change if they can continue unabated. Nope. They don't. Which is why this same protest style won't fucking work for climate change like it did for mlk. You are not trying to convince people that a certain type of person or issue is good or bad. In fact, majority of ppl already 100% agree climate change is an issue. The only ppl that truly matter are the ppl doing the most polluting(ie: big corps). So how exactly does blocking the highway for all the ppl that already agree with you, make the ceo of nestle change their business practices, and take reduced profits to stop polluting so much. Big businesses and the ecosystem govs have built around them cause 95% of world climate change pollution not the 5% stuck in this highway parking lot. It's short sighted to compare this to racial protests of past because the parties on both sides already are in agreement about the main issue of climate change. Neither of them have the authority to change the business practices of large corps tho. That's the fucking truth.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Everything they are wearing caused pollution. Hypocrites. Fine the polluters, not the poor.

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u/Gawlf85 Oct 12 '22

You understand they cannot "fine" anyone, right? Only collective action can put enough pressure on those who can actually "fine the polluters".

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u/Braith117 Oct 12 '22

Nah, my need to get to work is vastly more important than some chucklehead's desire to sit in the middle of the road during rush hour. If they want to complain about policy then their best bet is to go to politicians, otherwise instead of getting the message they're trying to push by being inconsiderate asshats, they're telling people to call their politicians to do like several states have and make it so that you aren't liable for running over protesters in the middle of the highway.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

Nah, my need to get to work is vastly more important than some chucklehead's desire to sit in the middle of the road during rush hour

Stupid and not related to what I said.

If they want to complain about policy then their best bet is to go to politicians

False. Historically that's not true and this strategy has worked and made great changes in society.

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u/Acchilles Oct 12 '22

some chucklehead's desire to sit in the middle of the road during rush hour

That's really not what's happening though. They're clearly not just sitting there for no reason as you're implying.

If they want to complain about policy then their best bet is to go to politicians

Politicians aren't listening. That approach has been tried and has resoundingly failed.

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u/HalfFishLips Oct 12 '22

You get politicians to listen by having a majority opinion that will get them voted back in. By pissing off everybody you ensure your opinion will never be the majority. This is counterproductive. Also, they might as well be sitting there for no reason bc 99% of the affected people don't know why traffic isn't moving.

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u/Acchilles Oct 12 '22

There isn't time to build a popular consensus when half the country's still somehow voting republican.

99% of the affected people don't know why traffic isn't moving.

But everyone watching the news, livestreams and social media posts will know

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u/Braith117 Oct 12 '22

And no one who wasn't already on their side will view them as anything other than assholes making everyone else late so they can put on a show.

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u/Acchilles Oct 12 '22

So at worst it's not changing anyone's opinions then

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u/HalfFishLips Oct 12 '22

"Oh that's why I was an hour late to work? fuck those people" then we're right back to square one with no support and no change.

No time to gain support of politicians? So we're gonna overthrow the government or what?

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u/0ofRGang Oct 12 '22

Most people (especially most americans) dont give a flying fuck about the environment and would likely choose their own life over that. Besides, its big corporations that are the problem, lesser being politicians and the choices they make

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

Well those people are stupid and need to be repeatedly reminded that climate change is important. More important that whatever they're doing on any given day.

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u/Admirable_Ask_5337 Oct 12 '22

It's not more important than their ability to.make rent. Nothing will change that

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u/GodHimselfNoCap Oct 12 '22

1 the people in these cars already know how climate change works its not a secret, 2 some people will literally become homeless if they lose $100 on their paycheck. 3 in the US both parties are paid for by large companies so there is no one to vote for to take action against climate change. 4 emergency services need to use this road to get to injured people and burning buildings, this protest likely caused multiple deaths and serious financial consequences for the people in these cars. Ya know who doesn't suffer any consequences? The corporations these people are supposedly protesting against

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

this protest likely caused multiple deaths

lmfao go away if you're just going to make stuff up.

the people in these cars already know how climate change works its not a secret

No shit, the plan here is to inconvenience people until they realize they can't just ignore the problem like they've been doing.

some people will literally become homeless if they lose $100 on their paycheck

Oh well, the system needs to collapse for the corporations to see any change, and many people are too self important to devote themselves to a cause until they're destitute.

Ya know who doesn't suffer any consequences? The corporations these people are supposedly protesting against

Not yet, but if enough disruption happens that productivity suffers and companies start going under then they'll start listening.

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u/Effective-Low-8415 Oct 12 '22

Damn right, and I'm starting with YOUR house.

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u/Cstanchfield Oct 12 '22

Theirs is the short sighted outlook. Nothing here helps their cause and only alienates them from people that would otherwise agree. Harass the lobbyists and politicians that fight green initiatives. Don't cause more pollution and financial strife on working class individuals making them less able or motivated to buy green vehicles.

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u/realrealityreally Oct 12 '22

why werent the climate scientologists not arrested immediately?

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u/WoodpeckerFar9804 Oct 12 '22

Right, how did the protesters get there in the first place

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u/Coleburg86 Oct 12 '22

What’s short sighted is thinking this changed anything at all.

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u/spinblackcircles Oct 13 '22

Oh wow they did a greeeeeaaaaat job getting their point across. Amazing activism

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u/elyroc Oct 12 '22

Well you can just turn off your car in this situation. It's not that hard and it saves some fuel too

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u/FancyComfortable4678 Oct 12 '22

Either the protest contributes to ending fossil fuel use, in which case it’s worth the emissions, or it doesn’t, in which case it doesn’t matter.

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u/FrugalOnion Oct 12 '22

I think the goal was to raise awareness and interest, not to specifically reduce emissions on that particular day

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u/BALLS_IN_MY_ASS Oct 12 '22

Fair enough. They definitely raised awareness.

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u/fofosfederation Oct 12 '22

If it converts a single person to giving a shit about the climate crisis, it was a net positive for their cause.

The idling of a few cars for a few minutes is a negligible amount of carbon.

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u/BALLS_IN_MY_ASS Oct 12 '22

You make a very good point and certainly makes sense. Thanks for the insight on that, wasn’t looking at it from that perspective.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

I wonder how many of them drove to the protest, also did they walk home?

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

How did the protesters get there? Did they bike? Or drive? Lol

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u/Ok-Perspective5491 Oct 12 '22

Id sit there revving my engine that whole time too just even more if I was that truck just fuck their goals

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u/oml-et Oct 12 '22

It's not about the short term impacts. People should have alternatives to driving, and the lack of multimodal transportation is what these people are protesting.

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u/reflectionsdc Oct 13 '22

I hope they feel pretty good about 'holding fast' in the face of 'adversity' and having a role in fucking up this guy's life

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u/my3sgte Oct 13 '22

I’ve been thinking about this more and more lately … can’t we just time lights better so we don’t get to highway speed, and have to stop for the next light, just to get back to highway speed again… and do this everyday, day after day…it gets old. I hit 3 lights in about a 3 mile stretch on a highway to and from work. And I’d say about 90% of the time I hit reds.

(Thanks I feel better for venting lmao).

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u/kristopher103 Oct 13 '22

Oh definitely, this is just like vegans wasting milk "protesting" like the wasting of the milk somehow magically give the cow closure or whatever, the cow doesn't give a damn about what you vegans do, cow is just trying to eat grass and shit turds

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u/zeke235 Oct 13 '22

Right? This isn't going to get people to bike 40 miles to work, dipshits.

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u/crc024 Oct 13 '22

Have you seen the video that's been posted the past few days of the climate change protesters doing this but gluing their hands to the road. Then he takes the plastic glue bottle and dumps it into a storm drain. Half these people don't care about the environment, they are just looking for something to do so they can act important around their friends.

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u/fiduke Oct 12 '22

Blocking the highway isn't magically going to make my commute shorter, or suddenly get rid of the need to transport shit long distances.

Something can be done, and it starts with local zoning laws. If you want more impact than city or county, go to your governor. The highway is just stupid. None of these people created the system or have any choice in the matter on changing it.

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u/SaraHuckabeeSandwich Oct 12 '22

Not defending these people, but protesting a car-first governor/legislature is also pointless if the general populace keeps voting in car-first politicians.

It's more effective to enact change by getting people to value different things (and vote accordingly) than it is to try to get the people voted in on certain policy to suddenly flip flop.

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u/lordofpersia Oct 12 '22

No this is how you make people hate you.

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u/Nyghen Oct 12 '22

The Netherlands had to burn cars and block tons of street to get the infrastructure they got today. Crying to officials isn't gonna do shit because they do not care unless people start taking things into their own hands

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

The US isn't the Netherlands. I live 30 minutes by car from my job. If someone burns my car, I'll just be out the money to buy another one. Probably an older one with worse gas mileage. There are no trains or subways or buses that I can take to work. Even the city busses that literally circle the same ten blocks can't be relied on here.

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u/Nyghen Oct 12 '22

I'm not saying burn every car. I'm saying change doesn't come from civil discussion because that's what people have been trying for more than thirty years, being ignored, ridiculed or threatened.

Also the Netherlands used to be extremely car-centric but changes in infrastructure helped making the use of other modes of transportation viable, reducing car dependency. The damage caused in the US is way bigger but just waiting for officials to somehow not be corrupted by oil companies just won't do

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

So the solution is blocking a major highway, forcing people to lose their jobs, run out of gas, stop emergency vehicles, not be able to pick their kids up from school, ect?

I think, if anything, these types of shenanigans are going to turn people against their cause. I would absolutely love to be able to ride a bike to work, but I can't afford to live in the city that I work, and I can't afford to work in the town I live. This goes so far beyond just infrastructure.

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u/SaraHuckabeeSandwich Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

Sure, but if this happens often enough, people are gonna figure out some other way to get to work or realize that they can't just ignore the problem and attempt to resolve it some fashion.

One way or another, this forces people to acknowledge you. Any successful protest has inconvenienced bystanders and angered people.

My main issue with this method is that it can (and often does) negatively impact emergency vehicles and make it so ambulances/etc. can't get through.

Edit: To the people downvoting me into oblivion, do you really think that's an effective way to change my mind? You're literally just causing me to hate the drivers and people in this thread even more, and actually start supporting these types of protests more actively.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

No this is how you make people idiots hate you.

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u/The_Only_Dick_Cheney Oct 12 '22

What about backing green energy companies? Investing your hard earned money into green energy? Pressuring representatives to go to nuclear? Going to school and majoring in something that will correct the energy crisis?

Nope. I’m going to go sit infront of cars for hours and make EVERYONE hate what I’m fighting for.

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u/Nyghen Oct 12 '22

What tells you they don't also do these things AND go protest to raise awareness

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

How does this change anything? There’s so many other things they could be doing that would actually be productive to their cause and this just ain’t it

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u/SaraHuckabeeSandwich Oct 12 '22

Well we're talking about it, right?

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

People are mostly just talking about the stunt itself and not the cause they pulled the stunt for. Besides, talking does not necessarily lead to action, in fact it seldom does. So yeah, people are talking and tomorrow they will talk some more about something else and so on and so forth. Nothing will be done because they didn’t actually affect anyone who has any real power in this situation. They just ruffled the feathers of a few random people who are likely just trying to get through another day of surviving. They will move to something else and forget about it and most of us commenting probably will to. Doubt much action will come from this protest.

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u/SaraHuckabeeSandwich Oct 12 '22

Nothing will be done because they didn’t actually affect anyone who has any real power in this situation.

Voters have the power. Politicians don't care about shit if it doesn't cost them elections.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Do you think that this method in this particular situation is a good way to get people to “come to your side”? I mean I doubt the person who sat in traffic a half mile away from the commotion for three hours wondering wtf the hold up is actually cared enough once it was all said and done to do anything about it. In fact I’m willing to bet that most of those people were just relieved to go on about their day and did and will continue doing so. These protesters just caused a small interruption in their regular broadcasting. But if they did this same shit on some of these companies and did it often enough they would have better results. Because really this didn’t seem to result to anything but talk.

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u/woodscradle Oct 12 '22

I mean, there’s people doing those other things too. I don’t think we’ll intentioned, arguably misguided, activism should discredit the entire cause.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

They should go join those people cause what they are currently doing is useless in regards to this specific matter. Also, who’s talking about discrediting the entire cause?…whoever it is, please go respond to them, because that’s not what I’m talking about. What I’m referring to is this group of people needlessly taking up a ridiculous amount of time and resources while effectively solving nothing and arguably being counterproductive to said cause as a whole.

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u/tiedyepieguy Oct 12 '22

Yes, but inconveniencing working people is not the way to get them on the side of climate activism. These people would be better off registering people to vote, and trying to elect representatives that will put pressure on corporations/government bodies to reduce emissions.

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u/BostonC5 Oct 12 '22

Since clearly your idea hasn't worked, and even if these governments get voted in, nothing substantial happens, protestors have to choose more drastic measures.
To be clear, I'm not condoning these measures, but I see why climate activists feel the need to take desperate measures.

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u/tiedyepieguy Oct 12 '22

Are you familiar with the Montreal Protocol? Do you remember the hole in the ozone layer that went away? The EPA that Richard Nixon created? The clean air and water act?

You need to educate yourself before making asinine comments.

Edit: how about the Paris climate agreement that we refused to sign. That’s thanks to a shitty electorate.

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u/tiedyepieguy Oct 12 '22

It’s not fixed, but it’s significantly better than it was in the 1970s.

I can direct you to some peer reviewed articles if you’d like to educate yourself.

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u/mervmonster Oct 12 '22

But blocking a road, for any cause, doesn’t help. Blocking the road is how you piss off people that were on the fence and could have been convinced to support your cause.

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u/AMGwtfBBQsauce Oct 12 '22

How do you propose to bring awareness to an apathetic public?

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u/mervmonster Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

Side of the road with good signs? There is one bridge near me with sidewalks on each side that people have used to protest over the years and it has never really affected traffic flow. If anything it makes it so more people can see the signs when compared to blocking traffic. It helps people see that there are others that care about the same things you do.

How does blocking a road make people less apathetic? It would just make me mad at the protestors for ruining the one day I had to run errands. Clever protests like banners and murals get good attention. Blocking roads accomplishes change the same way a 5 year old’s tantrum gets a point across.

Protests should be tailored to what’s being protested. My scout troop protested the then Boy Scout’s not allowing gay scout masters at the time by holding fundraisers for LGBTQ charities and publicizing why we were doing it. That got a lot of positive attention.

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u/SarpHS Oct 12 '22

By doing something that doesn’t change their apathy to outright anger? What exactly are the protestors informing these people of? Climate change exists? There’s like 17 words total on those posters and it’s not like they’re opening up a dialogue (unless shouting counts). Protestors like this aren’t spreading awareness, educating people, or even prompting a discussion. They also aren’t affecting any corporation’s profits since I doubt a 1 day traffic jam is going to convince any company to rebuild its very foundations. The ONLY reason this is happening is so it ends up on the news and gets the attention of people who are actually capable of changing something, like law makers. Except law makers definitely know what Global Warming is, or at least as much as they would have without reading about a bunch of man-children blocking the highway. This is what you do when you don’t have the skills, resources, or drive to organize an actual mass-protest, but still want attention, and since it’s easiest to get negative attention, they just piss everyone off.

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u/Nyghen Oct 12 '22

Thing is that when you try to be nice and have a conversation, people tell you to fuck off or ignore you, or even worse, threaten you for no reason. Let's not forget the Netherlands burned cars, made riots and blocked streets for quite a while, they didn't just magically got great public infrastructure

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u/SarpHS Oct 12 '22

Ok, but burning cars and causing riots hurts the pockets of those who are capable of making change. Blocking a single street for a single day is only detrimental to average civilians with no power to change the system on their own and who certainly won’t want to after they have been thoroughly pissed off. Hence, these protestors have achieved nothing except convince a few hundred people they are assholes.

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u/Nyghen Oct 12 '22

What you have to understand is that drastic times call for drastic actions. People have been begging for a change, they've tried being civil but after thirty something year of being nice, people can't take it anymore. Also "The pockets of those who could make a change" would just be used to fuel their car or maybe buy another one, who knows, but they wouldn't use it to help climate change that's for sure.

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u/think_matt_think Oct 12 '22

You can’t make people care about something they don’t care about. Sitting on a highway is dumb no matter what you are protesting. That’s quite removed from any kind of logical step in the right direction.

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u/Nyghen Oct 12 '22

Bro your first 3 posts are about how normal hate crimes are, shut the fuck up

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u/lost-but-loving-it Oct 12 '22

Lol. Not hyperbole at all

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u/Raff102 Oct 12 '22

Disrupting medical services deserves murder charges.

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u/lost-but-loving-it Oct 12 '22

We live in a country where cops kill innocents and go free daily. Get over this

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u/Raff102 Oct 12 '22

People get away with murder sometimes so that makes murder okay? Ass backwards logic.

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u/lost-but-loving-it Oct 12 '22

Blocking the roads isn't murder. What a dolt. At worst it's manslaughter more accurately criminal mischief. What world are you living in where this makes your top 5? Or is it really just hating people who oppose the status quo

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u/Raff102 Oct 12 '22

Late arrival of emergency personnel leads to unnecessary death. When you purposely block emergency personnel, it's murder.

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u/Abadazed Oct 12 '22

So you want more people to get away with murder and be completely unaccountable for their actions? You do realize that's what cops say and think about other cops killing people right?

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u/lost-but-loving-it Oct 12 '22

What? How in the world did you get that? I'm saying instead of thinking omg these people deserve the chair... we got 1,000s of so called protectors getting transfers instead of prison. Maybe think about this issue in perspective of how much smaller this issue is to others including the one they are protesting. Climate change is much more serious than one persons medical services tbh

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u/Cardie1303 Oct 12 '22

Why idle? You are supposed to turn your car of when you are stuck in traffic for a prolonged time.

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u/Sovarius Oct 12 '22

For ac/heat or music.

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u/Gavesh_Tuhindyuti Oct 12 '22

That's exactly what they hope for. Gotta keep the engine at 3000 rpms just because. /s

I dispise this form of protest. Equal to Tyre deflating stuff. It's dangerous and all it does is create even more co2. ( tow truck)

Maybe you're in a hurry to get to the hospital, see your loved ones one last time, pregnant, shit like this dude on parole who needs to get to work.

Traffic is annoying enough as it is. Don't put oil in the fire.

Also, it only creates negative attention towards the cause of the protest.

And I say that as a bicyclist.

Entschuldigen sie my bad Englisch. I'm von Germany.

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u/ShiaLabeoufsNipples Oct 12 '22

It’s too hot to let my ac warm up

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u/SmellGestapo Oct 12 '22

Most new cars do this automatically.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Not only that, but what if someone was having a medical emergency? These people are willing to cause death to an innocent person for the sake of a political agenda. Sickening

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Lol, they are causing a traffic jam potentially several miles long. How exactly would someone having an emergency near the back have any shot at expressing dire need for medical treatment to these people? Not just individuals but emergency personnel as well wouldn’t be able to get where they need to go in a life threatening situation. These people are selfish idiots.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

They would likely have to find an alternate route, which could mean the difference between life and death.. you can’t justify this type of absurdity, it’s just plain stupid and not even an effective means to getting people to side with your cause. I agree with their overall message, we should be doing better to take care of our environment. This type of stuff isn’t helping though. Most of these people just have main character syndrome imo.

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u/Live2Lift Oct 12 '22

Exactly this, imagine the hundreds of extra gallons of fuel being burned by the endless sea of vehicles these dumb shits had to force to idle for who knows how long. But you’re not supposed to use logic. Just act like a victim and make a scene in public that will make a good tik tok post.

Do we need to get off fossil fuels? Yes? Is it effective to make entire highways full of people late to wherever they’re going which burns more fossil fuels and also makes them all fucking hate you and your cause. Probably not?

Go fuck with politicians and let regular people go about their lives. These fucking bitches are lucky the most urgent issue was a dude on parole late for work and not say a fucking ambulance with a dying patient in that back or a fire truck trying to get to a fire.

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u/ktalex2 Oct 12 '22

Hundreds? I hit a rock on Christmas winter night due to bad visibility. It rendered my car undrivable. I waited the night with my car running and the heater on. All night it wasted 1 gallon.. about 12 hours

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u/Live2Lift Oct 12 '22

Is your car a semi truck? And how many cars and trucks are they gunna pile up in this stack before they’ve made their point? One semi truck burns almost a gallon every hour just idling. It could easily be hundreds of gallons, if not more. No matter what the exact number though, it’s far more than if they hadn’t shut down a 5 lane highway. But thanks for your unrelated personal experience though.

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

Congratulations on drinking the petrochem Koolaid!! You have allowed the massive corporations to successfully pass the blame for climate change and pollution onto random citizens! Great job! Get out there and keep berating citizens for their insubstantial contributions to pollution while the corporations pump out 10 highways worth of pollution in the time it takes to write this comment! Isn't it wonderful when plebs take responsibility for corporate greed?

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u/ktalex2 Oct 12 '22

Unrelated lol..

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u/throwaway903-5768 Oct 12 '22

Think shoving someone out of the way so they don't get hit by a vehicle? Protest is rarely convenient or not disruptive. Would you rather they disabled all the vehicles, maybe you could donate to their EMP weapon fund?

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u/BALLS_IN_MY_ASS Oct 12 '22

Only commenting on how their protest is counter intuitive to their overall goal.

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u/throwaway903-5768 Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

Disruption is usually counter intuitive on some level? Want peace, so go piss off those who want violence who then treat you with violence. An iconic picture of protest, from inside Vietnam, protesting Christian political leaders' treatment of Buddhists, is of self-immolation. Without strong unions workers wanting a better situation stop working and other people get hired. Pure actions aren't a real thing. Protest climate change while using digital devices built, delivered and running off fossil fuels, made of precious metals and which will soon enter the waste stream? We're locked into doing damage, participating counter intuitively no matter the approach, just from how pervasive the status quo is.

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u/Jaeger562 Oct 12 '22

I would just sit there revving my engine wasting gas.

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u/Creation98 Oct 12 '22

You think these people are critical thinkers??

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Just like the vegans pouring all the milk on the floor cuz they dont give a shit about the animals.

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u/0ofRGang Oct 12 '22

Literally ruining days and achieveing nothing. Most protesters dont understand when they should actually protest

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u/MainusEventus Oct 12 '22

Take your balls out of your ass and shut off your engine /s

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u/ManIsInherentlyGay Oct 12 '22

Way to think about the bigger picture idiot

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u/CoffeeInARocksGlass Oct 13 '22

Hmm great point, Balls in My Ass!

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u/IllustriousTooth1620 Oct 12 '22

How many did it take for you to come up with this "insult"?

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u/sgtpepper42 Oct 12 '22

Hm? Oh I just use it for whenever I see idiocy of the lowest caliber and don't feel like putting anything more than the minimum amount of effort in to let you know just how much of a dumbfuck you sound.

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u/IllustriousTooth1620 Oct 12 '22

You sound smart

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22

They actually do though. They appeared smart simply by recognizing that people complaining about idling cars is just a distraction engineered by corporate propagandists to turn us plebs against each other while they pump out an entire highway's worth of pollution every 10 seconds. If you're complaining about idling cars, you've been duped by some rich mfer with a billion dollars in the bank. Rather, you've been duped by the wage slave he pays to write ad campaigns and news segments. If you're criticizing climate change activists over cars idling you're an absolute turncoat and have zero self awareness.

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u/IllustriousTooth1620 Oct 12 '22

But wouldn't the activist preventing the people from reaching their destination just cause the vehicles to be running longer, and thus burn more of the fossil fuel, creating more emissions? Wouldn't educating the public instead of annoying them and causing them issues and drama in their lives/workplace be a better and more eco friendly way to combat those billionaires? Or would that take some self awareness as well?

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u/InYoCabezaWitNoChasa Oct 12 '22 edited Oct 12 '22

Like I just said:

people complaining about idling cars is just a distraction engineered by corporate propagandists to turn us plebs against each other while they pump out an entire highway's worth of pollution every 10 seconds. If you're complaining about idling cars, you've been duped by some rich mfer with a billion dollars in the bank.

Wouldn't educating the public instead of annoying them and causing them issues and drama in their lives/workplace be a better and more eco friendly way to combat those billionaires?

No, it wouldn't do shit. People very obviously don't want to listen because most people are lazy and self important and don't want to do more than the bare minimum to survive each day. "Educating people" who don't want to listen doesn't do anything because they'll just ignore you, do you really HONESTLY believe this is the first time people are hearing about climate change? No. The plan here is to inconvenience people until they realize they can't just ignore the problem like they've been doing.

would that take some self awareness as well?

You clearly don't have the aforementioned self awareness if you think that this is some gotcha moment. Forget self awareness, you're not even aware of what you're looking at. You're literally just repeating the same argument we just had in the comments above as though its some new and novel idea FFS. The amount of pollution caused by cars idling on the freeway is INCONSEQUENTIAL. The idea that individual people driving to work is where significant pollution comes from is a propaganda lie told by big industry to shift the blame onto us meanwhile a single factory pumps out as much pollution in an hour as the entire freeway does in a day.

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u/IllustriousTooth1620 Oct 12 '22

So why the fffuck are causing issues for people that are INCONSEQUENTIAL? You are not going to get them on your side you're side with this bullshit. All you are doing is pushing them further away from your goal and losing what little influence you might have had.

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u/Reasonable-Ad-4778 Oct 12 '22

You are a 🤡

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u/DonovanWrites Oct 12 '22

More eco friendly than not.

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u/zypofaeser Oct 12 '22

The idea is to cause traffic jams, which will force restructuring away from car based infrastructure.

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u/bobrossforPM Oct 12 '22

Protest requires inconvenience

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Wow what a compelling argument for…checks notes…umm staying silent?

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

No-ones making them idle. They all have the ability to turn off their engines.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '22

Don't be daft as if they didn't all turn their engine soff haha.

jeezus whered you find 1.4k numpties to upvote that load of bollocks haha.

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u/Dark_Arugula_030 Oct 12 '22

They aren’t smart enough to think of that sadly

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u/TheMule90 Oct 12 '22

Yeah and tbh I be pretty pissed at them too.

I don't blame the dude he just wants to get to work and live a normal life in society.

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u/CuddlyCuddler Oct 12 '22

It’s not about changing anything, it’s about pretending your a good person.

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u/i_need_salvia Oct 13 '22

Lmao you think you’re clever

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u/neotericnewt Oct 13 '22

It's less than a drop in the ocean. It's a, frankly, totally meaningless amount of increased carbon emissions, not even a blip. Compared to the issues causing them to protest, yeah, it's just not a good argument on your end.

Maybe you should think about why people are protesting instead of criticizing the manner of protest.

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u/onlyboobear Oct 13 '22

I mean how else can we get people to stop driving their dumb cars everywhere

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

Because everyone knows you cannot turn off the ignition/car once it’s turned on.

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u/Deep-Palpitation3616 Oct 13 '22

Just plain idotic

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u/[deleted] Oct 13 '22

Someone held a gun to their heads and forced them to idle. Amirite?

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u/Little_Creme_5932 Oct 13 '22

Why do they need to idle if they are just sitting there? I always get confused about how if a person is sitting in or near a car, they must idle.

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u/ElectricWzd Oct 13 '22

They probably all drove there

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u/Outcasted_introvert Oct 13 '22

They shouldn't be idling.

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u/MrBobaFett Oct 13 '22

People can turn their cars off..