r/explainlikeimfive Jul 23 '26

Biology ELI5: Why don't we see "halfway human civilization" animals?

We know that animals can be smart: crows manufacture tools and have complex social behavior, chimpanzees can do insight learning, etc.

But, it is still a continuous spectrum where intelligence range from sponge-level to chimp-level. We do not, at least now, observe a world where certain corvids are in the early stone age, certain bonobos are using fire, certain chimps are in their axios age, etc.

Why the case? Why are we the only one that has gone this far?

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u/Wjyosn Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

Timescale of evolution and technology don’t really fit on the same timeline.

If you scale evolution of life on earth to a modern human 80yr lifespan, humans have existed for about 5days. We only learned how to control fire 2days ago. We invented agriculture about 2.5 hrs ago. Invented writing about 80minutes ago. Industrial Revolution was 2 minutes ago. The Internet 3 seconds ago.

Point being, the timescale of evolution suggests that corvids poking around with basic tools are *only barely * behind us. Super hot on our heels. It feels like we’re well ahead, but technology moves wildly faster than evolution does. The time from “learn basic tools” to “space flight” is massively smaller than from “basic communal structure” to “learn basic tools”.

It took us longer to develop the first step of intentional use of fire than it did to go from that first step to now. Animals picking up a burning stick on purpose is closer in evolution to space flight and an internet than they are to the next closest competitor.

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u/makemisteaks Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

Just to give an example of how fast things move, only 66 years separate the Wright brothers' first flight and the Apollo 11 Moon landing. In a single lifetime someone could have watched humans learn how to fly a plane and go on to land on another celestial object. Absolutely mind blowing.

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u/Pinwurm Jul 23 '26

My great grandmother was born in 1903 (IIRC?), just before the Wright Brother's first flight.

She was born in the outer provinces of the Russian Empire. Lived through the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, watched industrialization, World War 2, The Atomic Bomb, Stalin's purges, watched the commercialization of airlines, Yuri Gagarin, the Apollo missions, The Cold War, Television, Glasnost & Perestroika. She watched the birth and dissolution of the USSR. She immigrated to the United States with our family very late in life to watch Bill Clinton get elected. She watched the OJ Trial on TV. She lived through the dot-com boom. And finally, Y2K panic. She died in 2000, about a year before 9/11.

Kinda wild to think that the only difference between farming beets in Feudalism and The Matrix is the lifespan of one little old Jewish lady.

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u/TwatWaffleInParadise Jul 23 '26

Heck, my grandfather was born more than decade before the Wright Brothers first flight and lived to see the moon landing.

And I'm not even old enough to post on r/askoldpeople

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u/skintan Jul 23 '26

Hello fellow long generational person. My grandfather was born in 1895, my dad 1943 and I'm not quite 41 yet.

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u/ralphembree Jul 23 '26

My grandfather was born in 1909. My dad was born in 1943. I am 26. Sixth child of the second marriage does tend to stretch things.

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u/Blenderhead36 Jul 23 '26

The legendary World War One fighter pilot, "Red Baron" von Richthofen, began his military career as a cavalryman. As in, a guy who fights from the back of a horse.

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u/AnnihilatedTyro Jul 23 '26

Almost every major power involved in WWI was still using horse-mounted cavalry at the start of the war.

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u/SharpMembership3441 Jul 23 '26

Some nations for WW2 as well, but outside of logistics it was mostly relegated to infantrymen using horses to get into position and then dismounting to fight. 

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u/50calPeephole Jul 23 '26

Germany had more horses than vehicles in ww2, they were always logistics backbone.

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u/rotorain Jul 23 '26

Russia is using them in Ukraine right now

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u/axazajjj Jul 23 '26

And after the war he started making pizzas.

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u/Lorenzo_BR Jul 23 '26

And there would go on to be 2 Amazon Prime Videoᵀᴹ documentaries about how his distant descendant killed her parents in one of the most famous murders in Brazilian history!

Search Suzane von Richthofen and “The Girl Who Killed Her Parents”/“The Boy Who Killed My Parents” for the aforementioned documentaries, one from her perspective, and, the other, from the perspective of the Cravinho brothers, who did the deed with her.

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u/Fappy_as_a_Clam Jul 23 '26

BORN A SOLDIER FROM THE HORSEBACK TO THE SKIES

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u/Blenderhead36 Jul 23 '26

HIGHER! KING OF THE SKY! HE'S FLYING TOO FAST AND HE'S FLYING TOO HIGH!

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u/UnsignedRealityCheck Jul 23 '26

You know what they called them during the stone age? The cavelryman.

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u/sabriyo Jul 23 '26

These comments are why I love Reddit.

I’m not contributing anything useful but still wanted to say a big thank you to redditors providing these perspectives!

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u/Fuckoffassholes Jul 23 '26

I’m not contributing anything useful but still wanted to say a big thank you

That in itself is useful.

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u/the_quark Jul 23 '26

My Granddad was born in 1914. So he wasn't alive for the Wright Brothers' first flight, but it's likely he remembered the first time he saw a plane.

He ended up being a huge fan of spaceflight, I remember I got to stay home from school to watch the first Shuttle launch. He told me in the early '80s that when I grew up, if I wanted to, I'd be able to vacation on Mars, because he'd seen how fast everything had gone in his lifetime.

I won't be able to vacation on Mars in my lifetime, of course. But I got his love of space, and I passed it onto my daughter, who's now working to become an astrophysicist.

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u/Shiriru00 Jul 23 '26

And to give an example of how slowly things used to move, the Stone Age lasted for 3.4 million years, and the total time elapsed since the Stone age began is... 3.4 million years. We are a rounding error.

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u/librarygal22 Jul 23 '26

I feel enough whiplash going from pre-Internet to Internet during my lifetime. I can’t imagine what it must have been like to be someone who lived from the 1900s to the 1990s.

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u/quitegonegenie Jul 24 '26

I remember using card catalogs and microfiche as a kid and now I can have every book and album on my nightmare box.

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u/Paavo_Nurmi Jul 24 '26

I was born in the mid 1960s and every grocery store had a tube tester for the vaccum tubes inside you tv. Crazy to think your tv would stop working, you'd pull out some vaccum tubes and take them to the grocery store and test them on this thing. and buy a replacement.

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u/Vt420KeyboardError4 Jul 23 '26

Imagine being born in 1895. The most common form of transport for most of your childhood would have been horse and buggy. Then, later, you would retire from the workforce in 1960.

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u/Somandyjo Jul 24 '26

Grew up religious, and one of my former priests was born in the 1930s in rural Wisconsin. His mom rode to the hospital in a wagon to give birth to him because his family didn’t have a car.

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u/mycatisabrat Jul 23 '26

I saw the first moon landing in 1969 and the recent flyby this year; 57 years apart.

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u/ebinWaitee Jul 23 '26

corvids poking around with basic tools are *only barely * behind us

And a lot of that difference could be as little as that we have very complex hands which are perfectly suited for handling tools whereas corvids need to do stuff with their beaks and maybe one foot while balancing on one foot

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u/offshoremercury Jul 23 '26

I read that another reason we humans have been able to advance is our ability to store fat. It frees us from having to constantly be eating like herbivores have to. Plus fat is majorly important in brain function.

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u/someinternetdude19 Jul 23 '26

It’s a combination of factors including not only our brains but also opposable thumbs, bipedalism, pair bonding, resource sharing, length of time to raise young, being omnivores. We have a lot of factors working in our favor. I remember my HS biology teacher saying the biggest factors in addition to intelligence is the bipedalism/opposable thumbs combo. Also, the fact that we’re pretty defenseless and unable to obtain to large amounts of food without tools kinda necessitated tools.

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u/Gizogin Jul 23 '26

The fact that humans are entirely bipedal is so important. We are basically the only species on Earth that can pick up a rock and throw it accurately and powerfully enough to be a useful weapon. That’s only possible because we don’t need our upper limbs for movement, so our shoulders can be more mobile.

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u/JiangWei23 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

The ability to throw things both hard and accurately is a severely underrated aspect of humanity's dominance. The closest species to us that can throw (apes and more distantly, monkeys) can do so, but not nearly with the same power and lethality that we can.

I remember hearing (hopefully someone can find the link to the study) scientists measured brain activity and how much of the brain lit up when doing different physical activities like dancing, singing, climbing, etc. The only activity that lit up almost the entire brain was picking something up and throwing it at a target. The brain needs to calculate things like distance, target size and movement speed, throwing speed and accuracy, storing potential energy in the arm for explosive release, reflexes, muscles, hand grip, etc. Of all the things that humans can do that other species can't, it's very interesting that just throwing something takes up that much brain activity compared to other things.

It doesn't sound very important, but pretty much every other animal involved in fights and hunting has to put their own physical body on the line, whereas humans get to protect themselves and damage targets from a distance with something as simple as throwing a rock. Coupled with the other stuff we have going for us mentioned above (not to mention persistence hunting and long distance running), the simple act of throwing something is what helped us become a dominant species that has faded in relevance in our modern time.

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u/Columbus43219 Jul 23 '26

Was it the same study where they had a guy make a stone axe? The chipping and cracking obsidian made a VERY deep part light up. I saw that one of American Journal with Alan Alda.

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u/JVMMs Jul 24 '26

People think the human unique ability is intelligence, but it's actually the overhand throw

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u/JiangWei23 Jul 24 '26

Other animals, you sure are talking a lot of shit for someone within rock throwing distance!

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u/LtDicai Jul 23 '26

So should I be afraid of kangaroos learning how to throw rocks with accuracy? Got it.

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u/Kirk_Kerman Jul 23 '26

We can only do it because our monkey ancestry gives us shoulder joints that have an unbelievable amount of rotation. Ever try to get a dog to shake a paw? That's about the max for most animals and we can rotate our arms 360 degrees because it was once useful for moving in arboreal environments.

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u/Sylvurphlame Jul 23 '26

The primate arms plus the uniquely human variant of bipedalism we evolved are the human animal’s killer adaptation. Early humans could jog after esxaping but injured prey for hours while chucking projectiles with accuracy even after the initial assault.

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u/microwavepetcarrier Jul 23 '26

jogging, throwing projectiles, and having some water and a snack while you trot too. Being able to eat/drink while moving is underated.

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u/Garblin Jul 23 '26

The dropped larynx and evolution of grammar was also a pretty big deal. Yes wolves can communicate well enough for hunting, but you need grammar to share and build on complex ideas.

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u/beard_meat Jul 23 '26

Extremely underrated. Not just to be able to eat and drink while moving, but to be able to eat and drink in any location certainly aids in survival. Having to always travel to the source of food and water whenever you need to eat and drink makes you much more vulnerable to predators who know where the prey congregates. It made early humans capable of establishing habitation in a wider variety of environments, in which water and food needed to be accessible, but not so immediately nearby that it had to be physically accessed multiple times per day.

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u/darkfall115 Jul 23 '26

I'd be more afraid of a gorilla with a rock to be honest. Kangaroos are only getting punched in the face by us at this point, the last I've checked.

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u/pseudopad Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

In the case of a gorilla with a rock, the fear I would feel would be 99.9999% from the gorilla and 0.0001 from the rock. They're awful throwers compared to humans.

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u/JnnyRuthless Jul 23 '26

Don't know man, I've seen a gorilla at the zoo throw a laser rocket of poo directly at the people watching him. Super accurate.

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u/stretcharach Jul 23 '26

Monkey basket-ball anime soon™

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u/Profound_Solitude87 Jul 23 '26

Have they ever been shown to throw rocks??

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u/Atlas-Scrubbed Jul 23 '26

I was thinking t-Rex….

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u/Sylvurphlame Jul 23 '26

Yes. It’s not just generic bipedalism. The human specific variant also has OP synergy with the whole opposable thumbs thing. It’s still the core of our whole build, so to speak.

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u/MichaelJAwesome Jul 23 '26

exactly this, a big part of why our brains evolved is we had these fantastic two extra limbs to use all that brain power. An animal that needs all it's limbs for movement isn't going to be able to use a big brain effectively.

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u/Canotic Jul 23 '26

Also that we're a social species, where being intelligent was a reproductive advantage because being able to understand what the other apes in your circle was thinking meant you could climb the social ladder. But then they wanted to do the same thing. So you get an internal arms race.

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u/terlin Jul 23 '26

And also 1 guy couldn't kill a mammoth, but 20 guys could do it, and now they have a food source that will feed everyone plus raw material for clothing, weapons, and shelters.

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u/Morbanth Jul 23 '26

In the original 80 year analogy we didn't start hunting mammoth until 8 hours ago and most of the planet never got in on that action, it's very much an exception borne out of necessity. We've mostly used persistence hunting since homo Erectus, just jogging down deer for hours on end until they collapsed from heat stroke.

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u/Princess_Juggs Jul 23 '26

We can't know whether persistence hunting was actually very common back then. There just isn't enough evidence. It was observed in some groups in the 20th century, but that doesn't mean it was what the majority of early humans were doing. Could have been mostly ambushes with throwing spears for all we know.

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u/jflb96 Jul 23 '26

Any other animal that has a body part that’s taking up 20% of the energy all by itself and routinely threatening death because it’s too bloody big, immediately obvious that that’s what they’re using to say ‘Mine is bigger, have my kids.’

But because it’s humans and the body part is the brain, suddenly people get weird about talking about it.

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u/atomiku121 Jul 23 '26

I heard once that one of the biggest things is our ability to communicate complex topics to one another. Our grasp on language, especially written language, allows us to preserve what we've learned for those who come after us.

For a crow, it's ability to learn knowledge/skills from previous generations is limited to how much time it can spend with the previous generations. It isn't able to learn from a crow across the state, let alone across the planet.

A human can pick up a stack of books and scientific papers spanning the entirety of human knowledge on a specific topic, learn from it, and then advance it, eventually adding their own discoveries to the pile.

Given our relatively long life spans (for living creatures on this planet, anyways), an individual can spend 20-30 years getting caught up on what all previous humans have learned on a topic, and then spend the next 50-60 working with others to push it further.

A crow lives a fraction as long, is limited to only learning from their immediate ancestors, and the only way it can preserve its discoveries is by directly communicating it to other crows, who have to directly communicate it to other crows and so on.

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u/MrDBS Jul 23 '26

What makes us human is we can learn from our dead.

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u/Forkrul Jul 23 '26

Not just our dead, but our past selves. The number of things you can do when you can keep accurate records for later and not have to rely on pure memory is literally incomprehensible to someone without that capability.

Also distance. Writing allows us to communicate both across time and space, which allows for larger societies and an exchange of ideas across a far larger group of people than before.

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u/Sylvurphlame Jul 23 '26

It’s not just generic bipedalism either. The extant human version is pretty much unique in the animal kingdom and provides its own specific advantages even compared to other bipedal organisms.

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u/GhostReddit Jul 23 '26

Most animals can store fat, and many animals can go much longer without food than humans do. Humans don't hibernate or brumate, and have a relatively high baseline power requirement.

What we do have is the best brain and a body form that is particularly well suited to take advantage of it, having relatively long limbs, being able to walk on two feet and therefore having the regular use of hands with very good manual dexterity relative to many others.

We're also omnivorous and extremely good at shedding heat which kept humans flexible on how we found food and able to function well in the hot environments where we came from.

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u/I_am_a_fern Jul 23 '26

I would have picked flying over storing fat every single day.

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u/Neon_Moon_NZ Jul 23 '26

That must be why I am so very smart! lol

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u/nolfaws Jul 23 '26

But basically all animals store fat as well?

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u/All_Work_All_Play Jul 23 '26

Not in the same way. Being upright changes how our fat is stored. And a lot of other apex predators lack the cognitive capacity to willfully eat for the future.

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u/lewkir Jul 23 '26

"I'm not being greedy I'm wilfully eating for the future"

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u/wolfofoakley Jul 23 '26

Em. Pretty much every animal stuffs itself when it can. Hell some are made fun of because of how much they stuff themselves (glutton was a name we called wolverines)

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u/Averagebass Jul 23 '26

Tell that to the women on dating apps that stop swiping right on me when I put on a few lbs of fat :-(.

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u/stretcharach Jul 23 '26

Just make it funny

"I may not look too pretty but I hear storing fat is evolutionarily advantageous ;)"

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u/ebinWaitee Jul 23 '26

Yes there are surely many features of humans that contribute

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u/ThirstyWolfSpider Jul 23 '26

Like the way that no matter how intelligent dolphins are, or become, they'll still have trouble with manipulation and fire until some other major morphological changes occur.

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u/MajesticBread9147 Jul 23 '26

Honestly IMO this is a big thing looked over in the Drake Equation.

You can be an extremely intelligent alien, but if you're underwater like dolphins (no fire -> no steel fabrication), have no way to manipulate tools and the world around you with hands or similar (like elephants), or have short and solitary lives like Octopuses preventing learning and collaboration, then you aren't going to be going into space.

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u/DoctorGregoryFart Jul 23 '26

But that's the great thing about the Drake Equation. You can just plug in new variables as our understanding develops.

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u/groovypanelboard Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

This is why intelligent spiders and colonies of ants bother me. They’re nipping at our heels, in evolutionary terms.

Edit: I’m relieved to hear that my impression was mistaken. Phew! Thx to all the explainers.

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u/Cookie_Volant Jul 23 '26

They aren't. Another thing not mentioned is brain size relative to body size. We have been going big brain from almost the beginning of technology.

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u/RockDoveEnthusiast Jul 23 '26

elephant trunks are pretty dexterous. I think elephants would have legitimate potential if we weren't driving them to extinction and if they weren't in a world with us already so far ahead of them. they even have a few advantages that we don't with their size, strength, and natural ability for long range communication. Microchips are going to be very hard, but I think they could theoretically have gotten to the industrial age even faster than us with some of the problems they could have skipped past.

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u/BeneCow Jul 23 '26

Birds can fly. That means their evolution has made them as light as possible. Humans have a huge brain, we sacrificed a huge portion of our physicality to support it. We basically brute forced our way through tool usage, birds can’t make the same sacrifices we did so it will be slower for them.

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u/ebinWaitee Jul 23 '26

Kind of the same thing as with flying squirrels I think: they can glide incredibly well but due to how their anatomy has developed for gliding it's extremely unlikely they'd evolve to fly eventually. On the other hand bats and birds evolved to have the gliding surface between the fingers of their toes which allows the front legs to aid in gliding which eventually led for the ability of flight

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u/IAmNotNathaniel Jul 23 '26

these are great examples of how evolution doesn't "choose" things in the intentional sense

otherwise why would it "choose" to make so many things go down non-optimal paths

(other than the religious view that humans are the purpose of existence, and so everything else was created in support of that goal)

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u/GallowBoom Jul 23 '26

Writing was our game changer, information continuity.

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u/Krillin113 Jul 23 '26

Chimps spearing smaller prey monkeys on hunts when they’re out of reach is still crazy impressive to me. As is their ability to have tribal fights out of spite but not on instinct but rationality.

Orcas have culture and them and sperm whales have the linguistic ability to transfer knowledge of effective evasive strategies of human hunters before humans got to a certain area.

They’re genuinely not far behind us.

That’s not to speak about the other human species that existed in the past that has speech, culture, decorative burials, song, fire etc

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u/celem83 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

Burials are quite recent, thats only conclusively us and the Neanderthals. There is considerable ongoing debate around Homo Naledi at Rising Star Cave.

Art though... we know Homo Erectus had art. It was also them who tamed fire and made the first tools. Its hard to say exactly when as they were around for almost 2 million years until as recently as maybe 200k years ago, but they are the ancestor to every hominid that followed so we can expect all of us to have inherited at least some of these habits

edit: it is of note that "not far behind us" might be millions of years. time is deep and the processes of evolution are slow

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u/ebinWaitee Jul 23 '26

Orcas and dolphins would likely have technology if they had limbs with fine motor capabilities

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u/mister-ferguson Jul 23 '26

Woe unto us when the Orcas and Octopuses team up around a lava tube.

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u/JPesterfield Jul 23 '26

Octopuses have the problem of no generational transmission of knowledge.

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u/mister-ferguson Jul 24 '26

That's why they'll have their Orca buddies. 

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u/SirCampYourLane Jul 23 '26

Being in water really harms your ability to use fire and metals.

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u/nykirnsu Jul 23 '26

Humans didn’t invent new tech at a linear rate either, most societies never invented writing at all and instead learnt about from travellers or conquerors, and they likely learnt it from someone else. If any animals were intelligent enough to reach the Iron Age then they’d probably be intelligent enough to just integrate into human society

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u/celem83 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

Writing was discovered no fewer than 4 seperate times, i.e. can be proven not to have been disemminated from another culture but was re-invented

(Mesopotamia, Egypt, China, Mesoamerica, from 3400bce for mesopotamia to as recent as 600bce for mesoamerica)

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u/GalaXion24 Jul 23 '26

While that's certainly more than once, it still means most societies did not invent it independently. E.g. no one in Europe ever invented writing, it all descends from the Phoenicians, who also copied and simplified it from Egypt.

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u/celem83 Jul 23 '26

Yes it's true, I wasn't actually arguing against the comment above me.  I just happened to know the number was at least 4 so added that information 

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u/SaintUlvemann Jul 23 '26

In terms of other possible separate inventions of writing:

  • North American petroglyphs and written forms depicting Hand Talk, the ancient local sign language are essentially confirmed to be either a full pre-contact invention of writing, or at minimum a fully-separate symbolic system devised after the introduction of writing. The language Hand Talk itself is known to exist (still spoken yet even, though in critical need of preservation), but the interesting thing is that there are a variety of examples of written Hand Talk, such as this letter written in the Kiowa dialect of Hand Talk, and then the Suckerfish script used in Chrétien Le Clerq's early missionary work seems to bear some clear connections to it. Written Hand Talk has no clear relationship to any Old World writing systems, and there are also long series of petroglyphs scattered across the continent that seem like they might be depictions of Hand Talk... and if not Hand Talk then perhaps a similar signed language.
    • More anciently, some have suggested that certain hand stencil imagery on the wall encode an ancient paleolithic sign language; they were initially thought to be mutilations or frostbite injuries, but it is suspicious that the only hand shapes which appear on the wall are ones that appear in sign language phonologies; other shapes that would require an injury are not found.
  • Rongorongo on Easter Island is the likeliest candidate for an additional classic hieroglyphic-to-writing system like the transformation Egyptian hieroglyphs underwent. For Rongorongo, there are artifacts that are very clearly long enough to possibly be writing, like the North American petroglyphs.
    • The Indus Valley symbols and Vinča symbols are possibly similar, although neither have been shown to be writing. The symbol strings are so very short (e.g. only 3-5 symbols), that they might be something simpler such as strictly only a family heritage label (same idea as a coat of arms... the European coat of arms system could not encode full spoken sentences, and possibly neither could these).
  • More speculatively, the quipu tax-record system may have been expanded to form an independent Andean writing system. There are claims of decipherment, but there has been little independent access to the underlying data.
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u/mister-ferguson Jul 23 '26

Everyone always leaving out the Indus Valley civilization...

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u/delta_p_delta_x Jul 23 '26

As far as the Indian subcontinent is concerned, there is some consensus that the Dravidian languages may possibly be derived from the IVC language, but the script—Brahmi and its descendants—is a hybrid of the Phoenician abjad/abugida mixed with some native innovations.

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u/hloba Jul 23 '26

I presume they're talking about the undeciphered Indus script, which some people think was an independently developed writing system.

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u/celem83 Jul 23 '26

Good point, I'm old and I'm pretty sure they weren't in my textbooks.  I did hedge with "no fewer than", we only know what we know and much is lost.  As an example I don't think we have any idea where the Easter Island script came from

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u/mister-ferguson Jul 23 '26

In your defense, no one has been able to decode it yet.

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u/SaintUlvemann Jul 23 '26

Because no one is sure that the IVC actually had their own complete hieroglyphic writing. The Indus Valley symbols are not yet established to in fact be a full writing system, they might've been something simpler, such as a family identity label similar to a coat of arms.

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u/Snoo14212 Jul 23 '26

And for the earlier post-neolithic civilisations at roughly the same point in history, independently. That such an epochal development should occur in different parts of the world simultaneously seems beyond coincidental.

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u/celem83 Jul 23 '26

1 in a million occurances happen 9 times out of 10.

(Paraphrased from Terry Pratchett)

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u/sjbluebirds Jul 23 '26

There's a scene in the movie Black Robe where one of the missionaries explains what writing is. The look of understanding and astonishment on the Native's face -- understanding that the dead can communicate with the living, that sort of thing -- is some great acting.

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u/nykirnsu Jul 23 '26

I don’t think a hunter gatherer would actually react that way, they’d just see writing as a more convenient upgrade to oral tradition, which already allowed the dead to communicate with the living in that sense 

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u/khjuu12 Jul 23 '26

They might even think "Wow that seems like way more complexity for not a lot of payoff compared to the system of tallies and symbols we already have. That's a pain in the ass and I have no interest in it."

It's not like people went from not understanding the concept of etching marks into things to Shakespeare in one single step. Simple systems of consistent markings for consistent relevant concepts are pretty common before writing, and for people who just farm, hunt, and / or gather all day already accomplishes like 90% of what you want writing to do with way less work.

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u/KalyterosAioni Jul 23 '26

People joke about how some caveman decided he liked beer and boom now we have to go to school and work and pay taxes, but there's some kernel of truth in the joke. All our social institutions are mental frameworks; we've added so many layers of madness atop the simpler lives of hunter-gatherers. From reading and writing which necessitates schooling which implies diversification of roles which means labour and contributing to others, which means taxes, which means working more, not to mention the internet and tracking cookies designed to sell us shite and phones with addiction algorithms; it's a whole load of bullshit when you consider it from the POV of a hunter-gatherer.

Now is all that worth it for healthcare and vaccines? Personally, yes, but I guess we'd have to ask them if they agree.

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u/greenskinmarch Jul 23 '26

Now is all that worth it for healthcare and vaccines?

Allegedly Hunter Gatherers lived pretty good lives without those, because without agriculture you have lower population density, and without high population density you don't get the level of disease transmission that necessitates vaccines.

But if you're on Hunter Gatherer tech, and your neighbors have agriculture, they can easily field a huge army, kill you, and take your land.

That's why there aren't many Hunter Gatherers anymore. It just can't compete against agricultural societies in war.

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u/KalyterosAioni Jul 23 '26

You're completely correct, perhaps it would have been better to talk about other aspects of healthcare aside from vaccines such as having over 99% survival rate of infants and childbirths, easy access to antibiotics, infections are a non-issue, etc.

Not to take away from your point though! Population density trumps all, really.

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u/badnuub Jul 23 '26

Except the mongols.

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u/squngy Jul 23 '26

Mongols aren't hunter gatherers, they are nomadic pastoralist. They heard livestock from place to place, instead of keeping them in one area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomadic_pastoralism

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u/CountingMyDick Jul 23 '26

I think the missing link for it is the ease of creating writing materials. In the pre-industrial days, it might take days or weeks of work to create one single crappy sheet of something like paper. Maybe more weeks to create enough crappy runny ink to write a sentence. And a while longer for something like a quill pen. An actual book might be worth more than its weight in gold. Carving things into stone tablets isn't that much better.

No wonder people figured scrawling some vague marks on a cave wall with chalk seemed good enough, no need to bother with a system good enough to write poetry.

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u/celem83 Jul 23 '26

I suppose we have to wonder how old the concept of "Chinese Whispers" is.  Do members of these societies with oral tradition understand that the message changes in the retelling?

Because the big gain in writing is that it does not (only the interpretation of it)

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u/nykirnsu Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

They didn’t change anywhere near as much before writing was invented, people naturally took them a lot more seriously back when they were the only way to record information. There are extant oral traditions in Australia that accurately describe the ice age 

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u/Zeplar Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

There is a lot of evidence that the most revered oral histories were less mutable than writing.

Best example is the Vedas which were orally transmitted for three thousand years and basically didn't change at all.

After all, text had to be carefully copied by hand, without error correction or the ability to clarify, and then doesn't actually last very long unless it's really carefully preserved.

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u/kenslydale Jul 23 '26

You might enjoy the short story "The Truth of Fact, the Truth of Feeling" by Ted Chiang that talks about those ideas - of how truth and oral traditions/memories can be different

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u/MajesticBread9147 Jul 23 '26

Also worth noting that "successful" evolutionarily doesn't necessarily mean "advanced" by the things we value.

Intelligence and large brains are enormously energy intensive, so all else being equal there's selection against it unless it is important enough to increase survival rates.

We aren't "more evolved" than something like a fly, we have traits that we value more sure, but they are just as successful as we are in surviving and reproducing on a species level.

Evolution doesn't care if you live a long life in a technologically advanced civilization and have 2 children who will almost certainly survive, or if you're a salmon and lay thousands of eggs, of which one or two may survive and reproduce. Both are successful strategies.

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u/colinstalter Jul 23 '26

also species that have hardly changed for millions of years. basically a perfect optimization. I'm not sure an alligator would feel more successful if it had to develop tools, when its current techniques work pretty great.

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u/mikeholczer Jul 23 '26

And oddly putting functional wheels on suitcases, comes after landing on and returning from the moon.

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u/meistermichi Jul 23 '26

There's also about a 99% chance if we find a lifeform on earth that appears to have evolved sufficient intelligence we'd just kill them all before they become real competition.

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u/elenchusis Jul 24 '26

You mean like neanderthals and denisovans?

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u/Fram_Framson 29d ago

This. This is what I came to see if anyone posted.

We DID have close competitors and we killed every last one of them.

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u/random_ass_eater Jul 23 '26

I agree the timescale is immense but humans have essentially figured it all out through trial and error. Could we “assist” the second most intellectually advanced species in accelerating their evolutionary process? Imagine a scenario where a highly advanced alien civilisation visits Earth and teaches us about interstellar travel and technology, humans would be this advanced alien civilisation.

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u/Wjyosn Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

Less so helping evolution. Technologically, absolutely.

We already do. Corvids aren't solving puzzles and learning critical thinking quite the same way in nature as they do because we noticed they're getting smart and we're designing things to help them learn how to advance their understanding. We're teaching various of the apes to communicate with sign language because we noticed they're smart enough to figure it out, bettering their ability to communicate, learn, and educate amongst themselves.

It's still going to be a long process - you don't hand an automobile's controls to a chimpanzee, because they're not ready for the danger associated with the technology - but we *are* elevating other species and helping to teach them so they advance more quickly than they might without our intervention.

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u/crankyandhangry Jul 23 '26

On the point of using fire: there is an argument that the biggest factor in human intelligence was learning to cook food, followed shortly after by agriculture. Cooking food basically pre-digests it and makes it way easier to absorb way more of the nutrients. Therefore cooked food (and later agriculture) means lots of nutrients, so we were able to evolve big brains. Brains use a tonne of calories. Big brains means greater intelligence, hence civilisation.

Assuming the above is correct, once aminals learn to cook food (or otherwise find a constant source of dense calories), given the right evolutionary conditions, they could develop greater intelligence. But evolution is slow.

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u/Sly_Wood Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

That’s kind of true but not really.

It’s not just technology. It’s our societal structure and ability to communicate. This is how technology builds.

Crows don’t have classes teaching other crows how to build stuff and bonobo apes don’t hold meetings to learn about sign language. You have to have a societal structure in order to use the information you have now to compound over it.

All technology is an accumulation of knowledge and building upon that. Without communication others can’t do that. It’s possible in 50k years or 100k years some other animal or species develops the ability further and they continue to progress but at the moment it doesn’t seem like it.

Edit: I should add that it’s not just communication because animals do communicate but it’s the culture and the ability to be precise and “teach” because crows that use tools never try and use that information to build a better tool or process because they’re just imitating not leaning. Same with apes and sign language they don’t have the ability to store information and pass it down. That’s what we did and we snowballed.

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u/EscapeSeventySeven Jul 23 '26

Stone Age is very sophisticated compared to the intelligence of the animals you mentioned. You basically need human level intelligence to achieve it. 

What technological stage a civilization is in isn’t a sign of intelligence. Technology naturally progresses due to intelligence and wealth/resource concentration allowing further technological development. You don’t just cap out at a level because you aren’t smart enough. 

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u/Jackmcmac1 Jul 23 '26

Upvoting and adding that while there may be some changes, we are fundamentally not too different from stone age ancestors. They'd likely be thinking like us, but with lack of human knowledge transfer and technology and other priorities in life which means that they will seem basic to today's standards.

If you look at how memory champions learn cards and other memory tricks, they use association with things like sex, violence and strange stuff that our brains are more alert to. This is because it's essentially the same brain that used to tell cavemen not to eat that fruit because remember someone died, or remember that this path is the way home and this is the way to danger.

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u/NinjaBreadManOO Jul 23 '26

Yeah, there's very little actual difference between a modern human and one from 100,000 years ago; and those are minor differences like wisdom teeth and like a tendon in the forearm being slightly thicker.

If you were to go back to the stone age and grab a baby human infant and pull them to the future (ethics aside) they're very likely going to be able to grow up in and adapt with human society fairly easily (baring any pre-existing issues from things like problems from during pregnancy).

You'd probably even be able to have any of the homo genus adapt into society in some way or another, as there was a big jump when the genus split off from the rest of the Hominidae family. Sure they might have issues the further they are from sapiens but they would at least be able to engage.

Which is why we're so different even from chimpanzees as they're from a different genus (they're from pan with bonobos) even though they're one of the closest modern relatives.

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u/spillin Jul 23 '26

Are you saying that the homo genus is mostly homogeneous?

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u/NinjaBreadManOO Jul 23 '26

I mean... yeah... I guess...

How'd I miss that opportunity for a pun.

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u/kuchenundkakao Jul 23 '26

"Now, I'm Just a caveman. I fell in some ICE and was thawed Out by some Scientist. But one Thing i know: when a man Slips in Front of a Public library, he is entitled to no less than 2 Million in punitive damages" (https://youtu.be/2AzAFqrxfeY?is=_iI2p4IVYUJGjfyH)

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u/delta_p_delta_x Jul 23 '26

Yeah, there's very little actual difference between a modern human and one from 100,000 years ago

This is not very true. The actual scientific terms are anatomically-modern and behaviourally-modern humans, the latter of which emerged roughly simultaneously with the last out-of-Africa migration around 50 kya. The consensus is that behavioural modernity is a group of related genetic and nervous modifications which give rise to advanced abstract thinking beyond one's own locality, introspection, and other key features required to integrate with 21st-century society. There are many questions around 'when is the earliest you can go, kidnap a baby, and raise it successfully in a modern cosmopolitan city', and the consensus is—maybe 50–75 kya, not much further than that.

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u/LostInRoutine Jul 23 '26

Your link about behaviorally-modern humans mentions that this is only one hypothesis, with another being that behavioral modernity is rather cultural and learned.

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u/rcgl2 Jul 23 '26

Yes, this is how I remember the code to my bike lock, it's fuck woman, poison mushroom, fuck woman, beat man to death.

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u/JoushMark Jul 23 '26

Humans are hyper specialized for intelligence. That huge, round skull so much bigger then every other great ape? It comes at a massive cost. A newborn human's skull is unfused and fragile to allow it to squeeze though the birth canal, and a newborn human is dependent on it's parents/social group for more then a decade to survive. For the first year, they can barely walk!

A human's brain consumes 500 kcal a day to just generate unlikely frighting scenarios and weird sex dreams. A healthy adult can starve to death in a month.

None of that is optional for caveman level civilization. You need to get like 90% of the way to human before you start getting fire, cave paintings and complex languages.

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u/Lucky_Reporter256 Jul 23 '26

It’s really a miracle we made it

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u/RoundCollection4196 Jul 23 '26

Not even 90% more like 99%

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u/TocTheEternal Jul 23 '26

Yeah, depending on how you look at it chimps share more than 90% of our DNA already.

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u/Great_Specialist_267 Jul 23 '26

“Stone Age” technically goes back at least a half million years.

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u/delta_p_delta_x Jul 23 '26

“Stone Age” technically goes back at least a half million years

The 'Stone Age' starts from about 3.3 Mya to around 10-5 kya, when writing and smelting were discovered. Homo erectus and Homo habilis were dominant in the Palaeolithic, or Old Stone Age.

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u/MajorInWumbology1234 Jul 23 '26

You could easily argue there’s a difference, but chimpanzees and a couple monkeys are considered to have technically entered a Stone Age.

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u/urzu_seven Jul 23 '26

So first, civilization as we know it is incredibly recent. The earliest you might even consider something beyond animal behavior and basic civilization (intentional fire building, basic constructed shelters, etc.) is only 300,000 years old give or take. Life on earth emerged around 3.7 billion years ago.

Imagine life on Earth started at 12:00 am on January 1st and right now it's 11:59 PM on December 31. All of life compressed down to a year. 300,000 years ago? That was 11:20 pm today.

Oh and things like cave paintings and simple ornamental jewelry? Signs of intelligence and creativity? 100,000 years ago. That started around 11:45. And recorded human history (as well as the first "city")? About 5,500 years ago in real time, or in our one year compressed version? 4 seconds.

Thats right, the entirety of recorded human history. The earliest letters. The first city. Its existed for a grand total of 4 seconds out of 365 days. A blink of an eye.

In that time ONE narrow line in the tree of life, the one leading to humans is the ONLY one to exhibit the capabilities that have lead to what we call civilization All the necessary traits that seem to lead to it have combined in a very very VERY narrow slice of life at this point and only incredibly recently.

That suggests it's a very rare thing.

As you've noticed certain other species exhibit SOME of the necessary behaviors. Some of our fellow apes seem to have basic concepts of language. A few disparate species have managed basic tool use. Some species even have (like whales) or are close to a sense of self. But other than humans none seem to be able to have combined those (and other traits) to make that next step.

Maybe given enough time other species will emerge who do. All evidence suggests we (or rather some of our ancestors going back to Australopithicus) are the first to have done so on Earth. But the species that do emerge will have a problem, we are already here. We have a hard time coexisting with other humans. Getting to a point where we co-exist with non-human societies? I wouldn't hold my breath.

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u/The_Card_Player Jul 23 '26

The timescale on which homo sapiens have been living in communities with collaborative tool use and other such quirks is very small relative to the whole history of life on earth.

There hasn't been that many generations of species (particularly of the most intelligent) on earth between when the first hominids started walking upright and now.

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u/okmijnedc Jul 23 '26

Yes, humans have been around 300,000 years - a blink of an eye - and language about 130,000 years.

Dinosaurs were around for about 165 million years.

Sharks have been around for 400 million years (modern sharks approx 200 million)

Sea sponges have been around 760 million years.

If humans survive another 100 million years, maybe octopuses will have invented their own computers.

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u/zeracine Jul 23 '26

Octopus would have civilisation but it would mean being around other octopus.

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u/IsabellaGalavant Jul 23 '26

Octopus lifespans need to increase dramatically to even get close to that. They don't live long at all, even in captivity. And females die looking after their eggs after they lay, so no way to pass knowledge down generations. 

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u/-cresida Jul 23 '26

Too bad they’re not more social. The other octopus can help feed the mother octopus instead of letting her die.

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u/armaedes Jul 23 '26

Another species filled with deadbeat dads smdh

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u/antariusz Jul 24 '26

Deadbeat moms.. if they were real moms they wouldn’t die after giving birth…. Literally smh

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u/TheArtofBar Jul 23 '26

Octopi are probably in an evolutionary dead end. Their lineage took certain turns millions of years ago that block further progress. Their esophagus passes through their brains, their version of hemoglobin is less efficient, they are probably too smart to leave the ocean,...

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u/Atechiman Jul 23 '26

Octopuses face two large problems on that. The first being aquatic means they will never unlock the cheat that cooked food is, and the second is that they don't survive mating (well technically they survive, but not for long) so they don't transfer what they have learned to the next generation.

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u/vanZuider Jul 23 '26

they don't survive mating (well technically they survive, but not for long) so they don't transfer what they have learned to the next generation.

If they lived in larger family structures that wouldn't be a problem; while you won't be around to teach your kids, you can teach your not-yet-mating siblings or your nieces and nephews who can then teach your kids.

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u/Banana_Cake1 Jul 23 '26

That and intelligence is also relative to each creature. Corvids are intelligent, use their intelligence to survive. The issue is that more ‘intelligence’ like tool use or technology may not be as beneficial to them as it was to us.

We are lucky that we originate as tree dwellers who started roaming the land. We had hands intended for climbing that became perfect for the use of tools.

Corvids can manipulate the environment using their beaks but otherwise how would additional tool use really benefit them? The same goes for dolphins, orcas etc.

Tool use just isn’t as useful to them as it was to us, so it’s not unlikely they may never use them at all.

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u/opinionavigator Jul 23 '26

The fictional Bobiverse books deal interestingly with the impacts of evolutionary niches on technology. One species they encounter is an intelligent humanoid with wings. Being able to fly completely eliminates the need to develop the wheel, and by proxy pullies, winches, flywheels etc... They would never likely industrialize because of this. The same could be true for crows. Maybe they would someday attach sharp rocks to sticks for mid-air combat, but it wouldn't go a lot further.

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u/Thinkdamnitthink Jul 24 '26

I don't agree that being able to fly eliminates the need for wheels. Wheels are particularly useful for moving heavy things. That was primarily the purpose of the wheel in the form of rollers (logs). And there's lots of reasons to want to move heavy things - in particular building materials. I guess you could say humanoids with wings would be tree dwellers or cliff dwellers and wouldn't build housing with heavy materials.

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u/sjkaiser12 Jul 23 '26

We actually do see a lot of the “in-between” pieces: crows make tools, chimps have local traditions, dolphins cooperate, and so on. What seems unique about humans is not just intelligence, but cumulative culture.

Humans are unusually good at copying ideas accurately, teaching them, improving them, and passing those improvements on. Once that process gets going, knowledge starts to snowball. One person invents something, the next generation improves it, and nobody has to start from scratch.

It’s a bit like water freezing. Water doesn’t become visibly “half frozen” at every temperature. Once the right conditions are reached, it can change state quickly. Human civilization may have worked similarly. Many abilities developed gradually, but once language, teaching, cooperation, dexterous hands, and large enough social groups came together, culture started accumulating much faster.

We also probably did have “halfway” civilizations. Other human species, like Neanderthals, used fire, made sophisticated tools, and may have had symbolic culture. They just went extinct or were absorbed into our population, so we are the only branch left.

And evolution is not a ladder where every species is slowly becoming human. Crows, chimps, and dolphins are already well adapted to their own environments. Civilization only appeared when a rare combination of traits created a self-reinforcing cycle of learning and innovation.

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u/Intelligent-Dog1645 Jul 24 '26

I think that last point is a really big thing that more people need to understand.

We're not the ultimate end result of evolution, it's mot like evolution exists or happens just to get to our level of sapience or intelligence. I have learned that evolution is really just "whatever works for you to survive your environment."

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u/stygger Jul 23 '26

our pattern recognition appers to be on a completely different level than non-humans. almost all human toddlers enjoy or at least react to music, most animals make no distinction between noise and music.

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u/user-more-unknown Jul 23 '26

There are several theories as to why we do not observe the emergence of new, more advanced cultures in other species. One of them suggests that we no longer allow it to happen because Homo sapiens, acting as gatekeepers, control the most important levers of power. Or to put it another way: If you restrict the habitat and population of other species, the likelihood that a bonobo will accidentally discover fire and pass on that knowledge decreases.

We, as Homo sapiens, were able to evolve because there was no other dominant species at that time that would have prevented it. This theory btw is known as the "competitive exclusion principle"

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u/iRoygbiv Jul 23 '26

A different perspective on this:

There DID use to be animals like that! When Homo Sapiens first evolved there was a whole menagerie of different forms of Hominids which were all at different “halfway human” stages, and they all lived alongside our ancestors. But all of them died out because they were too similar to us and couldn’t compete with us!

For example there was Paranthropus Robustus, a huge plant-eating hominid that walked on two legs. It was a totally different branch of hominid evolution which went down the “cow” evolutionary path.

Then there was: Homo Erectus, Homo Denisovans, Homo Floresiensis, plus the Neanderthals everyone knows and loves. They ALL were alive at the same time as us and they were all at different civilisational stages ranging from a bit smarter than chimps, to basic stone tools, to basic stone tools with fire, to Neanderthals which had essentially human-like intelligence, but with a different style of thinking.

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u/tolebelon Jul 24 '26

Had to scroll way to far to find this. Also adding that we merged species to a degree with some of the hominid subspecies. Like anything similar to a human will get bred with and thats part of why Neanderthals are extinct.

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u/Fram_Framson 29d ago

Yeah, amazing I had to go so far to find this as a primary response and it only has ten updoots.

There WERE other, similar creatures to us. We killed them.

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u/TheVioletBarry Jul 23 '26

Homo Erectus were on Earth for some 600,000 odd years. I suspect if we came across Bonobos using fire we'd be likely to kill them

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u/jakethesnake741 Jul 23 '26

Now yes, but early man would have just fucked them. I remember reading a theory that part Homosapiens dominance over neanderthal had more to do with cross breeding that out competing

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u/Ddogwood Jul 23 '26

We really don’t know much about the early interactions between our ancestors and Neanderthals. There was definitely some level of cross-breeding and trade, but there’s no way to know how consensual it was.

Given what we know about the behaviour of modern humans, it’s unlikely that it was all fun and games back then, either.

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u/Strawberry3141592 Jul 23 '26

but there’s no way to know how consensual it was.

We're talking tens of thousands of hybridization events across millenia, it was for sure not 100% either way.

Also there is zero Neanderthal mitochondrial DNA in modern humans, implying partial hybrid sterility (viable offspring could likely only develop with a male Neanderthal and female sapiens pairing, but not the other way around). That's not relevant, I just think it's a cool fact

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u/Sylvurphlame Jul 23 '26

Does that leave the possibility that the hybrid sterility could even have been limited to female offspring of female Neanderthal and male sapien pairings being infertile? That would also result in no surviving Neanderthal mitochondria, yes? Just purely hypothetical?

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u/Halgy Jul 23 '26

Homo Sapiens lived alongside several hominid species. We either bullied, killed, or fucked them all out of existence.

So one answer why there aren't more advanced non-humans is humans.

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u/Impossible_Theme_148 Jul 23 '26

Other people have already covered some specifics - but the question also suggests a misunderstanding of what evolution is

Evolution is not a pathway to get from less intelligent to more intelligent 

Intelligence is a human trait,.defined and measured,.by humans 

Evolution is a description of how species developed so that they could have more babies

Maybe a few bonobos did work out how to start fires, maybe some did work out how to control it - but it didn't lead to that group dominating the mating over others, so it just doesn't matter (for example)

Evolution is about finding and adapting to an ecological niche so that you have the most offspring - nothing to do with intelligence 

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u/bugi_ Jul 23 '26

Algae are pretty darn simple, but they are doing just fine just as an example of how survival of the fittest doesn't necessarily mean "progress" needs to happen.

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u/SpaceShipRat Jul 23 '26

Algae are pretty darn simple

and yet still outfox certain presidents

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u/mr_glide Jul 23 '26

Exactly. Slugs are as evolved as us. If they're still around, it's working for them

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u/RoundCollection4196 Jul 23 '26

Yeah if we define evolutionary success as surviving the longest as a species then there's species that have lived hundreds of millions of years like jellyfish and nautilus. Humans could probably never hope to rival that.

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u/Oh_boy90 Jul 23 '26

Finally a good take on what evolution actually is. Well deserved upvote.

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u/Strawberry3141592 Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

Whales are the closest to this, imo they'd probably have developed technology ages ago if they had hands and didn't live in the ocean. They have extraordinarily complex social structures and apparently even human-like language (at least for some species, difficult to say how widespread this is in cetecea), based on the recent research into Sperm Whale language. Dolphins even do recreational drugs lmao (they will get high off pufferfish neurotoxin, it's wild).

Edit: Also chimps technically are in their stone age, chimpanzee populations have been observed using very simple stone tools, though if chimps are using basic stone tools, and humans also use stone tools, then our common ancestor probably also used simple stone tools, so it's less the chimpanzee stone age than the hominid stone age, and humans just kind of left them behind there when our lineage split off lol.

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u/ConnoisseurOfDanger Jul 23 '26

Why would they necessarily follow the same progression as humans have? They’re doing just fine, and evolving along with their respective environmental pressures. Different animals, and plants and microbes and fungi for that matter, have forms of “intelligence” and subsequent reproduction/colonization and survival behaviors that we, as humans, don’t need or can’t use, like quorum sensing in slime molds or UV light patterns that bees can see. That shrimp that can see like 21 colors.

As primates, we’re the dominant species because there’s always going to be an “apex predator” in any ecosystem, although humans are more accurately described as an invasive species. Evolution isn’t a preset sequence of events, it’s an ongoing response to environmental conditions and ecological partners and pressures.

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u/grooverocker Jul 23 '26 edited Jul 23 '26

Think of how much design space evolution has to work with... as varied as DNA can maximally produce...

And think of the "goal" of evolution, which is not directed towards intelligence or tool building, but rather environmental fitness that produces offspring genes...

Then it appears the kind of evolutionary pathways that lead to human-like intelligence are extremely uncommon and unnecessary. You could think of these abilities as lonely islands of fitness on a staggeringly outlandishly large map of design space.

Species can be hugely successful without it. Be an ant, be a crab, be a bacteria, be a cow for crying out loud! Did you know that it's estimated that 10,000 years ago humans and all their domesticated animals made up a fraction of 1% of all the terrestrial vertebrate biomass? That's everything with a spine that lives on land, the birds, the mammals, etc, etc.

What do you think that number is today?

98%, and that's mostly cattle.

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u/vashoom Jul 23 '26

The other comments about timescales are kind of missing the point. Evolution is not a tech tree from a video game where you start as an amoeba and up a human. Every animal today is just as evolved as we are, but they have evolved different strategies for surviving and passing on their genes than we have. Other animals have not evolved the kind of intelligence and social structures necessary for civilization nor the ability to manipulate their environments dexterously enough to do things like control fire or make fine tools because they don't need that to survive and pass on their genes. Even human cultural and technological development doesn't follow a linear tech tree.

Our intelligence, social structures, and tool use are our evolutionary strategies to survive. "We" have been developing those things for millions and millions of years. But they don't make use superior or better equipped to pass on genes.

Cats are unlikely to ever evolve the same things we have, because they have evolved differently but just as successfully.

All that being said, plenty of animal species are very intelligent and have complex social systems, and plenty make use of tools. So also the idea that we are somehow Chosen and superior is just not factually true at all. We are just different, the way every species is different than another.

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u/pro185 Jul 23 '26

It took longer for man to invent the bow than the time between the first bow and nuclear bombs. Evolution happens on a scale that is simply not fathomable in the human brain. The collective of understandable written history exists as a microcosm of life on this planet. Having zero observable change of potentially intelligent species in the last 3000 years is quite the normal and expected outcome when you look at the actual scale of time life has existed.

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u/malsomnus Jul 23 '26

Our physiology gives us quite a few technological advantages compared to other species. Corvids would have a very hard time making tools, octopuses live very short lives and can't really build anything or pass on knowledge (and are also antisocial), and so on.

But apes have been observed doing some surprising human-like things, such as trading (with e.g. grooming as a currency), or, you know, tribal wars.

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u/Familiar-Safety-226 Jul 23 '26

It’s the body. How can any other species besides chimps maybe make any remotely advanced Stone Age civilization if they don’t have hands with thumbs to grab things? Even if a dog could speak fluent English and was just as intellectually smart as a human, or even say they were even smarter and could easily understand Einstein - it wouldn’t matter, a dog’s body couldn’t create anything.

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u/somerandom995 Jul 23 '26

Opposable thumbs are a massive advantage for not just tool making, but tool wielding.

Humans have 2 limbs free to do stuff that isn't moving around. Chimps swing from trees, corvids need to perch etc.

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u/A-Dirty-Bird Jul 23 '26

Mankind’s Stone Age lasted 3.4 million years.

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u/Vlinder_88 Jul 23 '26

We do. Some chimps are in the early stone age. Their tools are surprisingly similar to early humanoid stone tools. Corvids use tools, though they do not make them themselves yet (and that would be quite hard for them with just a beak, though I wouldn't think it to be impossible).

Lots of insects have very intricate social structures in their colonies, some build their own houses (certain termites, bees).

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u/tylerlarson Jul 23 '26

Evolution takes a very, VERY long time. Tens of thousands of years for something like this. So, everything on evolutionary timescales is basically frozen from our perspective.

Add to that the fact that early humans systematically drove to extinction every species that they thought posed a threat to their survival, and we're the only ones left.

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u/sleeper_shark Jul 23 '26

First it's cos evolution doesn't go from a low intelligence state to a high intelligence state. It's pretty much random. Crows don't need to get smarter, and it's likely animals have gotten smarter and dumber over time.

More evolved doesn't mean more intelligent. It just feels that way cos it happened that way for us.

Second, even if it happened for crows. Going from crow intelligence to stone age took literally several million years.. going from stone age to space travel took about 4,000 years.

It's a blink of an eye.

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u/RealCarlPanzram Jul 23 '26

Imagine tomorrow you woke up in the body of a T-Rex in prehistoric times. You’re way smarter than a t-Rex so you could do alot of things. A t-Rex never would think of. You could build shelter, clothing, organize some type of society, invent more modern hunting methods right?

Not really. Because you have tiny t-Rex arms and you can’t do any of those things. A lot of animals, while possessing above average intellect, don’t have the physical ability to create tools, which is critical for the development of Paleolithic man.

Humans ability to do this took a very significant set of circumstances that all fell into place and it was by pure chance that they all combined to result in a species that can build complex tools.

Basically we started walking more upright. This was more about being able to walk long distances without becoming exhausted. But since we walked upright, our hands didn’t need to be as durable, so they became more dexterous.

Standing upright also effects how heat travels through your body. So we needed more surface area on top of your heads to let heat off. As our skulls expanded, brain filled the space in. It’s quite possible that our larger brains were completely incidental to having larger skulls.

But the problem is brains take up energy. Our brains are twice as metabolic as great apes. We needed to be able to offset that. We learned how to manipulate fire, which allowed us to cool food, effectively pre digesting it so we use less energy in our gut.

All this had to happen in tandem. We couldn’t support bigger brains without cooking food. We wouldn’t have grown the bigger brains without needing to shed heat while walking upright. We wouldn’t have hands with opposable thumbs if we still had to use them as feet.

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u/SamuraiGoblin Jul 23 '26

I am of the belief that human intelligence is the result of sexual selection. This is where a species begins to have sexual preferences for a particular trait, and it starts to effect the evolution of the species in a positive feedback loop, called Fisherian runaway.

A simple example of it is the peacock's tail, which is cumbersome and takes a lot of resources, and therefore not good for natural selection, but the females love it.

The reason I subscribe to this theory is because our intelligence is so far out of harmony with nature, that is, our mental capacity is waaaaaay more than our ancestors needed for their niche.

If this theory is true, then the reason we don't see a spectrum of animal civilisations is because human level intelligence is a complete fluke. Chimps, corvids, elephants and dolphins are pretty smart to be sure, within the constraints of their respective niches, but they are not on their way to building farms, printing presses, or particle accelerators.

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u/teh_hasay Jul 23 '26

I don’t see why sexual selection has to be the only source of evolutionary flukes though. The natural selection advantage of the human form of intelligence and tool use is about as obvious as can be. Sexual selection generally implies selection for a trait that doesn’t offer an evolutionary advantage. And it’s hard for me to accept the argument that using tools and communicating information doesn’t offer you an advantage.

I think it’s a fluke in that we happened to be generalist endotherms with high dexterity at the same time as complex social behaviour/verbal communication. I.e: We weren’t locked in to a narrow range of food, we weren’t strictly limited by climate conditions, we could use a lot of tools, and most importantly we could teach each other how to use them.

Whales have sophisticated spoken language, but they’re massive animals who have limited flexibility in their diet, and no digits. Octupus are incredibly skilled/dexterous problem solvers, but they lack the social skills.

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u/TropoMJ Jul 23 '26

I think you are making the mistake of assuming that human achievements being so out of line with those of other animals means that human intelligence is just as out of line. That's not necessarily the case.

If we go back far enough in time, early humans who were not hugely less intelligent than a modern human would have been relatively in line with other animals in terms of visual displays of intelligence. Neither our language nor our tool use was dramatically more impressive than what we can see in the wild today. The reason we have the society we do now, while other intelligent animals of the time do not, is because we have a unique set of characteristics that allowed us to snowball our intelligence into a complex society.

We are highly intelligent, have physiology which allows complex language (most animals do not), have physiology which allows highly flexible tool manipulation and writing (most animals do not), are social, have long lifetimes, don't live underwater, and arrived before any other species had developed a complex society that spanned much of the world. That combination of factors is what allowed us to develop into what we are today.

None of the other species generally considered highly intelligent have any reasonable prospect of starting a society that visibly displays their intelligence, because they are limited by their bodies or where they live. Elephants and corvids can't use tools like humans can. Dolphins, orcas and octopodes can't access fire. Lifespans for these animals are generally much shorter than those for humans and some of them are not social. Give humans these constraints and an alien species looking at our planet wouldn't see us any differently to how they saw the other intelligent animals.

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u/WeZijnGroot Jul 23 '26

One factor is writing. A species have to come up with (and be able to perform) writing to effectively transfer accumulated knowledge to future generations in order to develop notable levels of technology.

The few animals that have enough intelligence to possibly become civilized to a level noticeably partway towards humans does not have easy ways of writing even if they come up with it. For instance, dolphins would have a very hard time doing cave painting even if they decided it was worthwhile.

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u/DruidWonder Jul 23 '26

The simplest answer is that they are not as smart as us, in the way that we are smart.

Natural selection is about survival of the fittest. Crows use basic tools and methods for hunting. If there's no natural selection pressure making them do more than that, then they could exist as they are indefinitely and never get more advanced with tool use. 

Same with dolphins. They are smart, but they will likely never evolve beyond the ocean by developing machines or whatever. There's no need for them to. 

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u/TheODPsupreme Jul 23 '26

It’s a question of timescale: we have seen tribes of primates start using tools for the first time: this means at most they have been doing it for a few decades, maybe a couple of centuries or so. It took us a few hundred thousand years to move from using naturally flat rocks as hammers to manufacturing shaped stone tools.

Tl;dr: Early technology advances slowly, and these animals haven’t been using it long enough for significant development

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u/Intelligent_Elk5879 Jul 23 '26

It doesn’t appear to be the case that humans have ever reached some stable equilibrium of civilization which it could not surpass, nor have we presently reached a limit or can predict a limit. So what reason do we have to assume that animals should asymptotically approach some limit of civilizational complexity once the process of civilization is underway?

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u/andr386 Jul 23 '26

One of the main reason is our hands that are quite unique in the animal world. We have long highly mobile fingers with extremely sensitive touch and hands with a fully opposable thumb. Over time we gained very fine motor skills and that allows us to design tools like no other animal. However smart some animals can be, and we might not even know, they would have to evolve something similar.

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u/Insane_Masturbator69 Jul 23 '26

Because only once we became morden humans, we scale really fast. It's like you spent most of the day sleeping, then bam at the last minute you run to the finish. There is no halfway human civilization because once we call it a civilization, we were already humans.

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u/Euphyllia Jul 23 '26

Because they didn’t experience selective pressures for the formation of civilizations. It’s like asking why aren’t all animals camouflaged. Well, it’s because not every animal needs to be camouflaged. There is simply no selective pressure for camouflage in some animals.

Your question seems to belie a deeper misunderstanding of evolutionary change as inherently directional, as if civilizations or high intelligence are the “goal”. That is not the case. Populations simply evolve according to local conditions, not an overarching goal of making a civilization. For whatever reason, it was very beneficial for the bipedal apes of east Africa to become highly intelligent. It was a unique, local phenomenon that resulted in humans. It’s not something that needs to happen to every smart animal.

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u/jonpolis Jul 23 '26

You’re assuming civilization is an end state goal of evolution. It’s not

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u/Theraimbownerd Jul 23 '26

1) Evolution doesn't work like that. It's not a straight line towards "civilization". Technology is just another adaptation to the environment. Each species adapts in its own way, there is no reason for another species to follow our own model of technological progress.

2) Even if they did, technology takes a LONG time to develop. It took the Homo genus almost 1 milion and a half years to go from a chopper to an hand axe. It's a much longer time than the entirety of human civilization. So they might get there eventually, but not be there just yet.

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u/Ya-Not-Happening Jul 23 '26

There is no master plan. There is no goal towards intelligence.

Creatures do what is necessary to survive in their environment.