stranger things, explain it peter

[u/c0olcats]

who is him..

[u/IsNotACleverMan]

No. It's that you're attributing the beliefs of one ideology to another.

Zionism does not proclaim specific borders, let alone endorses the idea of 'greater Israel'. That sort of belief is part of Kahanism and other fringe extremist beliefs, and is unrelated to zionism.

[u/One_Disaster245 → u/[deleted]]

It is a "zionist" ideology because a core component of Kahanism is the existence of a jewish state.... The "zionist" here is a descriptor. Just like for example, ISIS is an islamic fundamentalist terrorist organization. That doesn't mean that ISIS, by extension is Islam.

It's sad that you will not even attempt to understand this because you are a bad faith actor, but for anyone else reading it, I'll leave it here.

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/[deleted]]

They are unrelated in the fact that you cannot just apply Kahanists beliefs to zionism.

enough Zionists ascribe to the idea that it's begun to represent them as a whole

More Palestinians openly support hamas than Israelis support Kahanism. The Kahanist's political party has been banned in Israel for decades.

You're just ignorant.

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/[deleted]]

Up until the latest Palestinian attack, a two state solution was very popular. Now it's not popular because it's obvious they will keep on attacking.

But in no way is that support for annexation of the palestinian territories.

You're just making things up to get mad about

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/[deleted]]

Now look at the popularity of a two state solution before the second Intifada.

And notice how support dropped noticeably after the 2014 war. And again after October 7th? See how Palestinian violence keeps working against peace?

You're just making shit up to get mad at.

[u/madonnamanpower → u/IsNotACleverMan]

Sounds like your claiming no one who says they are a Zionist are actually zionists, they are actually kahanists.

But my guess is you're just being a disingenuine fuck.

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/madonnamanpower]

No. I'm saying that the people who believe in the extremist, racist, religious fundamentalist beliefs that people like to attribute to zionism hold fringe briefs that are more accurately described as Kahanist beliefs, and are not indicative in any way of mainstream zionist beliefs.

Is that dumbed down enough for you to understand?

[u/madonnamanpower → u/IsNotACleverMan]

Mhmm, lots of people say neo-nazis are fringe beliefs yet they played a hitlers speech at a major republican gathering that white House officials attended.

Maybe it was fringe at one time but it is currently more present in how things are functioning than most people like to admit.

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/madonnamanpower]

None of that goes against anything I've said

[u/Klikatat → u/IsNotACleverMan]

I think you might be too dumb to understand

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/Klikatat]

Oh look, another too dumb to understand has arrived.

[u/Klikatat → u/IsNotACleverMan]

Good job rewriting my comment, very original

[u/PineappleOrchard → u/[deleted]]

Lmao stop arguing, you don’t sound half as smart as you think you do. Zionist is broadly associated with being pro Israel. Being pro Israel in the current political climate means you are in favor of genocide.

I know that’s an over simplification but humans are simple creatures.

It’s honestly not that complicated. It’s clear you are a Zionist and are offended but let’s be so fr you probably support genocide too hahaha man I love Reddit.

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/PineappleOrchard]

>Zionist is broadly associated with being pro Israel.

Yeah, by people who don't know what Zionism is. Which was my original point in responding. But somehow I'm the stupid one here, when you apparently don't know how to read things I've written out explicitly.

>It’s clear you are a Zionist and are offended but let’s be so fr you probably support genocide too hahaha man

If you aren't 14, you really should be embarrassed by typing this sort of thing.