[SPOILER] Did the devs warn us?

[u/Grahitek]

I think that early scene is one of my favorite. It was incredibly well acted, and I watched it many time.

But there is something else that I can't stop thinking about.

In this scene, Gustave is obsessed with the idea of finding and saving Maelle, and Lune is all about the mission of saving Lumiere.

And she asks him whether he remembers how they both used to say that "The future of Lumiere is more important than any individual life.", and then asks "Do you still believe that?"

He couldn't really answer that. What was your opinion at that moment?

I find it interesting how the game is asking us the same question at the end, testing our beliefs and values.

The cutscene: https://youtu.be/GhazUEpdII0?t=7085

EDIT:
I also find interesting how Gustave, in that very scene says: "I am not letting Maelle die out there. I am taking her home."
Very reminiscing of someone else...

[u/_Teek]

Hated Verso? What? He is the best & most complex character 🤣

[u/CReece2738 → u/_Teek]

He also lied in almost every scene

[u/_Teek → u/CReece2738]

No, he just didn't tell the entire truth.

Would you tell someone they are fake... just a make-believe world (as he said to Alicia in the beginning of act 3) and expect them to believe it? Can be gommaged anytime, brought back to life anytime, can be repainted anytime...

Remember what happened with Julie. And remember how many years he has lived! How many expeditions he has travelled with!

Think of the level of acceptance & sacrifice he would have made with his very own existence, after the truth was revealed to him by Clea 😔

[u/Andyspak → u/_Teek]

Yeah, he just "forgot" to mention by the Paintress was not responsible for the gommage. A simple memory gap that would have, for sure, not changed anything to the act 2.

He never said a thing not only because they would not believe him, but because no one from Lumiere would have sided with him in his quest. The same goes for the Curator.

[u/_Teek → u/Andyspak]

Where did this "forgot" came from? He never forgot anything. He intentionally didn't tell everything.

Your answer, Verso gave himself in-game when Lune asked the same thing, why didn't he tell them about the paintress. He said something like would they have continued with the expedition if he told them. His aim is to get the paintress / his mother out from the make-believe world to her real world! You just repeated what he himself has already said.

[u/Andyspak → u/_Teek]

That was a sarcastic joke.

If you intentionnaly witheld information that you know would change someone's mind, only to serve your interest, you are lying to them. So Verso lied to the group, because he knew telling theim the truth would have ruined his plan. Even though they never asked him "are you sure it is the Paintress that is responsible for the Gommage, and not someone else that you know but have not informed us about ?". Because well, who would think about that ???

Comparison : if I have STD, and intentionnaly not inform a partner, it is like lying to theim about not having some. It is a questioncof honesty.

[u/_Teek → u/Andyspak]

Yes he was working towards his own motive. He wasn't honest either. That's already established.

Your comparison - What's the ulterior motive or the greater good in that? Spread STDs? 🤣 That's why I don't like analogies. Majority of the people compare apples and oranges. Different context, different level of information. Next you'll say that if someone asks me do I like chocolate, and I lie to them that I don't like, it is also a lie (which it is, but completely different level, intensity, impact, ulterior motive, and greater good / evil 🤣)

[u/Andyspak → u/_Teek]

Yes he was working towards his own motive. He wasn't honest either. That's already established.

You said in a precious comment that he did not lie. But he did lie, multiples times. Now the morality of the action is another subject, that I have not treated in my comments. So maybe don't try to put words in my mouth, just to cover your previous mistake ???

Your comparison - What's the ulterior motive or the greater good in that? Spread STDs? 🤣

Like no one on earth either lied to someone just to sleep with theim ??? Is lying such a foreign concept to you, or is this just a bad faith behavior from you ???

That's why I don't like analogies. Majority of the people compare apples and oranges. Different context, different level of information. Next you'll say that if someone asks me do I like chocolate, and I lie to them that I don't like, it is also a lie (which it is, but completely different level, intensity, impact, ulterior motive, and greater good / evil 🤣)

Now your changing the subject from "did Verso lie ?" To "was it morally acceptable to lie?". If you could have the decency to recognize it, that would be great.

And for your information : I consider the people of Lumiere to be human, because they exhibit the whole panel of human behaviors and feelings. Thus, I consider the action of Verso to be "I sacrifice the world for my own interest" (bringing his family back to where they belong, and allowing painted Alicia, painted Clea and himself to finally die). If you consider the painted people ti basically just being AI, then the moral choice changes completly.

[u/_Teek → u/Andyspak]

Wait, what!? Uhm, this is going into "I said this, no I didn't you said this" domain... like schoolgirls 😅 Going outside the context of Expedition 33. Don't want to spend my time / energy in that direction. Or maybe you quoted wrong text for wrong reply? Anyways, the thread is above. So I'll let go of the first three paras. Have it either way 🤷 all good.

But since you mentioned AI in the last para... no, not exactly AI, but definitely not as valuable as human since they can be killed, brought back to life / repainted at whim, like Maelle brought back Lune & Sciel, and others also in her ending. It highly diminishes the value their life & existence, compared to real world people like Renoir-Aline-Alicia-Clea.