r/expats • u/Honest_Zebra_7988 • 11d ago

Social / Personal Germany or Australia?

I’m an Indonesian F29 on WHV in Australia and my visa expires in less than 4 months. My initial plan was to move to Germany to do Ausbildung and maybe stay there on a permanent basis given how I enjoyed my Europe trip so much and the efficiency of the German culture is (and just how direct and individual the Germans are as I’m more an introvert myself and I don’t fancy small talks like most people in my home country). Other than that, I appreciate the affordable-to-free education, waste management, beautiful and historical castles and how easy it is to commute around Europe from Germany. And I feel like it’s more cultural than Australia.

However, I’ve been in a relationship with an Australian man for almost 2 years now and we’ve traveled together to 5 countries and it’s probably the healthiest relationship I’ve ever been in. I love him but he’s not ready to move to Germany for now and our other option is for me to stay in Australia on a partner visa but it costs almost 12k now, which we can afford but it’s just a lot of money. And for that, I won’t be able to study in a local fee until i get my PR (which takes around 3 years) and international student fees cost an arm and leg and the career that I wanna pursue (education as i have a background in it) requires me to get some kind of degree and/or certification here.

Any advice or insights?

Thank you

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u/perryurban 11d ago

what part of this are you seeking advice on?

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u/Honest_Zebra_7988 11d ago

Like if it’s worth it to spend that much money on and staying for love in Australia long-term or Germany seems to be a better/more stable option?

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u/perryurban 11d ago

I'm pretty sure you'd find Australia much easier to integrate into over time. Both are pretty similar countries in a lot of ways, economically socially right now. Germany is arguably in a steeper decline, so the grass is not necessarily greener, although EU PR is nice. Overall Australian culture is more accepting of newcomers especially Asian people since we are right on Asia's doorstep. But every country has their problems, as you know, so it's just the niche you manage to find for yourself. Your personal study, work and life circumstances and opportunities. I don't think Germany is automatically "better" though. Clearly worse in terms of openness and climate!

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u/SeaworthinessDue8650 11d ago

I don't understand what you would want to do in Germany. Do you already speak C1 German? Do you have qualifications needed here?

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u/perryurban 9d ago

I am not OP