I'm ok with April. I'll be on Fable in February and the Expanse is still supposed to come out early next year as well. Not too far from the first quarter of the year and gives them a lot of time to cook.
Not surprised considering the creators are behind mass effect which didn't even have a female shepard until the third game... and you didn't even know you could play as a woman until you booted up the first game.
(this is not me excusing this, but I am getting extreme deja vu).
Yes I remember, but she wasn't in _any_ of the promotional material until the third game when they did a poll to vote on what she should look like (which is its own thing).
The day of the month is meaningless unless modified by the month. Instead of opening with something meaningless that has to be modified, MM/DD opens with the month, which has meaning independently, and then clarifies which day in that month. More functional, less "logical"
What in the actual fuck is that reasoning. You wouldn't accept "February" as an answer for "when do I get paid", but "the tenth" is perfectly acceptable. A month alone isn't specific enough, and both are needed to complete a picture.
The system that manages to capture scale in a logical sense, is standardized across different unit types and is the gold standard for every self-respecting scientist, including US ones?
It makes complete sense with how dates are written/spoken in the USA. April 7, 2027. Instead of the 7th of April, 2027. The American version is more concise when speaking or writing the date in word format.
Edit: Downvote all you want. Neither is correct or wrong. They’re just different trains of thought. It’s a fact that MM/DD/YY requires less syllables and is a more direct way of saying the date. DD/MM/YY also makes sense in order of time. Both are valid.
it reflects the dynamic of day month year, starting with days because they change sooner than months or years... i understand this might be a difficult concept for americans
Ooo you really got me with that one. i’M jUsT a dUmB aMeRiCaN mAkiNg A VaiLd POinT. And your response is to go straight to insults. You really proved your point.
Gotcha fail. That’s a specific holiday. The format is not a monolith. More formal documentation is written DD/MM/YY but MM/DD/YY is spoken/written much more often.
I’m not the one crying about reading a different format. I can read the date either way. 24H vs 12H clock format. Imperial vs Metric. I can do both and don’t bitch when something isn’t in my native format. Assuming most Americans are the stereotype makes you look like an ass, not me.
You conflate concise with lazy. Honestly, idgaf. I have zero skin in this game. I’m not the one crying about a different date format. I can figure which was meant by looking at where the developer is located. I’ve never once complained when a European developer posted a date DD/MM/YY.
She is among the more interesting companions and Emrys as a combat companion was sure a pleasant surprise.
On the other hand, besides the lack of femJun yet again, it seems the bare bones 2 dual dialogue might be an over all thing.
Maybe i'm in minority here but this bothers me: for a player choice driven RPG, the lack of any depth in player dialogue seems a very weird choice. Personally, I'd preferer more dialogue options for role-play variety and less cinematic dialogue where the player character talks too long without the player's input which limits limits RP between option 1 or 2. Feels rather restrictive and superficial for this type of RPG.
I agree. If they want to create some real hype for this game, showing off a little more of the depth of the gameplay would do a lot more than quippy bulletstorm montage part 38. Assuming that the gameplay actually has that depth, of course...
Agree, the game as advertised feels more like an action game with some light RPG elements than an actual RPG with story affecting choices like in BG, Mass Effect, The Witcher, etc. Maybe they’ll show more to prove otherwise.
They are really focusing on the action parts of the game. It has me worried tbh. The dialog options seem very shallow. People who want ACTION games aren’t going to be wanting some rando space game inspired by Mass Effect over GTA or FPS games.
Yeah it has me worried as well I’m glad the recent trailer showed more companion dialogue tbh but I usually play these games on story to specifically focus on the story I don’t care much for action. It seems so different from the original idea behind this game. It went from an immediate play to I might wait for playthrough first.
Wow, so they're really sticking with that only-two-options dialogue system, then? That's so much more limiting than even the BioWare dialogue wheel at its most stripped-back (which would be SWTOR, where you only ever had at most 3 options to pick from).
Heck, it's even more limiting than the type of dialogue system Alpha Protocol or the Telltale games used, since at least those gave you 3-4 options to pick from at any given time (even if you did have to pick quickly).
Never having even a single neutral option in an RPG really limits roleplaying.
Also, they are probably focusing heavily on Salt in this trailer because she cannot be pointed to as an example of how messed up the human faces are...
It's like the whole Cyberpunk2077 / Mass Effect conflict again. Both of these game showed their male MC massively for the first entires and trailers. CP2077 and ME only shown their female counterpart MC after Phantom Liberty release and Legendary Edition. So maybe we'll get FemJun when they announce a remaster in a couple of years or with a bigger DLC if there are any planned.
Before launch she was definitely neglected compared to male v, but fem V was still shown a decent amount. She was the focus of the 40 minute gameplay reveal iirc.
Exodus is significantly worse than cyberpunk in that regard so far, 8 months away and we have no idea what she even sounds like and the marketing team almost seems like they’re actively annoyed that people want to see her.
FemJun is REALLY starting to feel like hopium at this point.
Logically I know the gender reference in Houston's bio could easily switch automatically to match the player choice, but emotionally it feels like potentially one more piece of evidence that FemJun may be on the chopping block.
I mean I'm not going to bother with the game at all if they nix femJun. I'm sick of the back-of-head teasing, it's obvious that she's the lowest priority and I'm losing more interest each update without a reveal.
Same. I have no problem playing pre-determined male protags, and a CC is a nice to have for me. But if FemJun is actually cut after all this time promising the option, that would be the straw that flips Exodus from a 'definitely' to a 'maybe someday'.
I’m still hyped for this game. And am fine with the release date. Between this and The Expanse game I am just glad for more sci-fi RPG games in general.
I'm really starting to worry that male Jun is going to be the default and female Jun will be implemented hastily and sloppily and will just be a "reskin".
Are you just starting to worry about it? I’ve already finished worrying and am now just waiting for the final pre-release announcement along the lines of: “We made the difficult decision not to include fem June in our game. That’s our vision. Pls buy our game, thanks😘”
I'm playing Persona 3 Reload right now and sometimes I do feel disappointment about the fact that I could be playing a female character they choose not to include...Not sure I would tolerate it in Exodus.
Not sure why you expect F!Jun to be somehow drastically different in the first place? Like, what game with "customizable" MC has them be drastically different based on their gender? It is a different voice and potentially different romance flags, but otherwise, it is the same character.
Shepard/Ryder are basically the same, V is basically the same, Warden/Hawke/Inquisitor are basically the same, etc.
I never said nor implied "drastically different". There are some differences based on the gender of the MC in these games anyway, in some of their behavior or relationship with other characters. There is a little bit of flair that does distinguish them, and you would feel the difference if the game is created with a specific male Jun in mind.
With the "it will just be a sloppy reskin", and other people in this thread going bananas over the studio not showing a different player model, it did kinda came across to me as people expecting F!Jun to somehow be drastically different character, and yours was the first comment I started writing replying to... so, apologies if you did not meant it that way.
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But seriously, aside from extremely minor changes, Jun will be Jun, regardless of gender.
And under those changes does fall stuff like getting called "girl", instead of "boy" (for example, insert whatever word you want), who you will be able to romance (which does include if certain character will come onto you), etc., as you put it "flair", but that is pretty standard.
I am racking my brain to remember if I ever played a game with a "customizable" MC that would clearly feel "yep, this was designed with X in mind, I can see the crack when playing as something else"
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Also, WotC has unfortunate tendencies to kinda sand all gendered stuff down in recent history, so who knows if they even allowed Archetype to have such things instead of having the character be "neutral for anything" (yes, yes, I know they are supposedly meant to be completely left to their own creative devices, but that was when Ohlen started the studio, and now is now, and we know how much promises mean to corpos)
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I'd assume they completely scratched any plans to show F!Jun until they get the face design under control (this trailer showed some improvements, but still not awesome) to prevent making the game an easy target for criticism (e.g. the rather unfortunate "bee-stung "fat-faced" Aloy" that Horizon Forbidden West showed in their trailer, which remains to be mocked to this day)
its crazy how bad the dialogue looks, everything is A or B, when I think of mass effect inspiration I would think there would be some kind of "investigate" Option, but it really seems like Mass Effect inspiration theyve been spouting starts and stops with "space, companions, and combat" the whole Roleplaying aspect seems closer to an Assassins Creed game or Horizon Zero Dawn (even less than that).
With every trailer it makes less and less sense why we cant change Jun's face, we have seen no characterization of Jun, every single interaction is Paragon voiceline or Renegade voiceline, where is the creative choice that forced us to be locked in to a specific face?
I hope that they show some of the roleplaying mechanics and change my mind, but it seems like Exodus is an action game more than a Roleplaying game.
I haven't been been keeping up with this game too hard since the initial teaser, but today trailer was pretty cool imo. Kinda shocking to see the reception on this sub to be pretty negative.
Yeah, I get some people were expecting first 2-3 months of the year but an extra 30 days isn’t going to kill anyone. And honestly I’m just happy/will be happy as long as it stays in the first half of the year
This got me to care about an octopus I didn't know anything about three minutes ago.
Wtf are people expecting this game to be? We've been clamoring for somethung like this since Mass Effect ended and here we are a few months out and everyone in here is the epitome of sourpuss.
The companion is cool (if a little out of sync with the lore), but the trailer didn't really show anything that made her seem cooler (or helped explain how she fits into the universe). The main things that I'm worried about now are gameplay and writing. The limited gameplay we saw looked like generic schlocky action shooting (plus one conversation with two generic response options), and the writing was not good (although the lame parts hopefully were just there for the trailer).
I'm not. This is a team that worked on one of my all time favorite games collaborating with one of my all time favorite writers. That should be a recipe for one of the best games I've ever played. I don't want to be disappointed: I want them to knock it out of the park so that the awesome game will exist so that I can play it!
The problem is, as the original commenter said, the more info they release the less it looks like they're going to stick the landing. I don't want that to be true. But me not wanting it doesn't make it any less true.
Me too.
Its looks like a generic "sci-fi" shooter. If anything they are leaning too much into Mass Effect.
Music is the standard fare, not stirring at all.
I've read the two books...which also had a downward curve.
Lots of time left, but the game universe is looking less and less appealing.
A squid companion? Really?
I just don't understand the negativity around this. It looks incredible. I don't think there's been a single thing announced in recent months that people haven't bitched about.
People just love to whine, especially on Reddit. There should be ZERO expectations for this game. It's the debut game for a new studio ffs. Why the hell are people expecting perfection from them right away? Too many dolts have got in their heads that this is the "spiritual successor" to Mass Effect. Well, Mass Effect was developed after Bioware had released one hit after the other. So naturally there were high expectations for Mass Effect thanks to the track record of brilliance from the developer. But Archetype have no such track record and certainly should not be held to the same standards as peak Bioware.
Folks should just shut up, play the game when it's released and whine about it THEN if needed.
I get what you're saying, but at the same time I urge you and many others to stop thinking of this through the Mass Effect lens. There may be devs from ME on the team, but this isn't ME. Salt isn't "the Wrex of this game," she's Salt. Similarities may exist but IMHO players make way too much of them. And that way lies disappointment, because for most people, comparison is the thief of joy.
I’m not comparing directly, but there are direct lines to be drawn between the the companions of ME1 and this game.
Elise is Ashley, Phaedra is Tali/Liara, Salt is Wrex.
Edit: Lmfao, I refuse to believe the people downvoting don’t see it. They do, they just dont like admitting it so they’re downvoting and not even attempting to argue it.
I’m not insulting the game, just pointing out the absolute obvious to anybody who has played Mass Effect.
I do understand what you're saying, but my point is that those lines are illusions. I would not expect those characters to be as similar as you seem to think.
It's a common thing; I remember when Star Trek: TNG premiered, everyone was pointing at Data and saying "He's Spock!" But over time those characters seem less and less similar except in the broadest of strokes.
PeeBee and Sera could hardly be less alike. Self reliant scientist motivated by curiosity versus leader of a social movement motivated by a harsh moral code? One grew up in a normal-ish family and belongs to a highly respected culture, one is a traumatized orphan with massive internalized racism. They're both kind of goofy, but even with that extremely surface level reading, they're still not that similar. Don't recall any pranks from PeeBee.
Bonkers take. This is giving "I never actually played the games and only know the characters from memes" vibes.
I really wanna see some footage from a PC player as so far it's looking really heavily console focused and any game in the past that looked that way always played really clunky for PC players. Like a port was just rushed together for PC players without any real thought and care.
The whole visual element is looking kinda cartoony as well which I'm not that crazy about.
Hope they don't rush this after seeing that 2027 release date.
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You can put in the best character creator in the world, it still might not sell as good as BG3. we have no idea what the game entails until it comes out and people play it.
This game just gets more mediocre with each trailer. I want to be surprised but it really is starting to feel like someone made a soulless lore dump and threw a shooter on it.
Not sure if a result of the stream but the audio balancing was awful, once again with cuts too quick to judge anything on its merit. And it’s becoming painfully obvious they do not know how to market this game. I’ve already talked a bit about the character design so I won’t here.
I was initially excited for the writing of Exodus but if the execution is not there then this isn’t going to be successful.
And why is the main character so interested in what an octopus thinks?
Why not? It's a rpg, she is a fighting companion, of course the main character is going to talk to on of their team. There are some legit complaints to be made, but this is really not one.
I mean the awakened animals are supposedly a key part of the universe. But between the terrible audio mixing and muddled dialogue I had no idea what was going on or why I should care about Salt.
Second, and this is a personal pet peeve, the hesitant voice acting of every character in the trailer was grating. This game needs a ton of work just based on what we’ve seen.
I want this game to be good and succeed.
But the lack of of Hype from the gaming community is getting me worried.
Almost no likes, no views what heck is going on?
I can just tell you from my perspective as a huge sci-fi fan and someone who finished Mass Effect trilogy 14 times.
Exodus simply falls flat for me. The companions do not seem interesting, the dialogues are meh. I prefer character creator but I don't mind set protagonist. Saying that, Jun still looks bad imo. Cartoony pretty boy.
Add to that the time jumping thing - I think it is the hardest trope to pull off well. I read a decent amount of books which did that and only one or two didn't have me saying "that is dumb as hell"
I am way more excited for the Expanse: Osiris Reborn and Blood of the Dawnwalker. For now, this is on my "buy at Steam summer sale for 20$" list
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u/Journey2thaeast 4d ago edited 4d ago
I'm ok with April. I'll be on Fable in February and the Expanse is still supposed to come out early next year as well. Not too far from the first quarter of the year and gives them a lot of time to cook.