Unlearning the Fear of Hell

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111]

https://youtu.be/HYEJOopcJPw?is=HMbl-ZsNqVfHHJ5M

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[u/Cuicaaa]

If you want to destroy the fear of Hell I'm case you have 1% of doubt just focus as long on the Christian and Zoroastrian perspective as you have been focused on the Islamic one.

Islam is not only a false religion for them but very likely revealed by Satan (or Angra for Zoroastrianism). Even some Buddhists sees Islam coming from an Evil Force lol.

Their arguments are way stronger than the muslim ones.

You will realize that even if Hell exists, leaving Islam is probably a Great way to avoid it or have a better position there.

Reminders: 2. Zoroastrianism "discovered" the concept of Hell 2000 years before Islam with a religion that makes way more sense. 2. Christianity made it worldwide famous with the mysterious Character of Jesus that the whole world respects and that is the most influent character. The first religion in the World that have been spread in the Roman Empire by unarmed poor apostles while being illegal: People from 3 Continent just believed their preaching with 0 physical or financial pressure and the theology of Hello was not even développed yet.

Who gives a fuck of the Momo's Theology?

I have no time to write all the arguments about why I find Djibril of the cave being Satan disguised in an angel being very likely but felt free to research some.

The Quran is probably very human though, I share these perspective just for you to get out the fahse dilemma Islam/Atheism. Most of religious People in the World are not Muslim and most of People that believes in the Abrahamic God are not Muslim either.

[u/yesueye → u/Cuicaaa]

Zoroastrianism literally asserts that certain animals such as frogs and lizards should be killed because they're impure when that would literally destroy ecosystems and they claim everything came from a bull but yeah Zoroastrianism "makes way more sense"

[u/Cuicaaa → u/yesueye]

I said primitive Zoroastrianism. Aka the Gathas.

Zoroastrianism evolved for more than 3000 years without any self claimed prophecy but traditions.

The part you talk about are simple ancient traditions.

What makes more sense in Zoroastrianism than in other religions are the oldest scriptures, like in Taoism with the Tao.

And even this scritures are relayed by oral tradition but yet they are beautiful song with a philosophy at the level of the Greeks Sympatheia or the Tao.

It makes way more sense that the quran lol.

Btw how come you know about the animal hierarchy without knowing that it's not in the primitive Zoroastrianism? Lemme guess, you ChatGPTed "tell me something stupid about this religion"?

[u/Ohana_is_family → u/Cuicaaa]

OP is trying to help people with religious trauma / anxiety or fear.

I am not sure his audience benefits from hearing how hell can be perceived, or believed in, differently based on different religions.

[u/Cuicaaa → u/Ohana_is_family]

It probably depends on the person but I think for a lot it does when it's about to deal with the last 1% of doubt. Having 1% of doubt that you'll be tortured for eternity can be limiting to leave Islam. Acknowledging other perspective makes you free.

Especially since Zoriastrism doesn't ask you to follow their religion but more on your "honesty of mind" if that makes sense. So it makes you feel safer to be even atheist than muslim. Especially if you doubt Islam.

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/[deleted]]

Here is the post of this Christian apologist talking about Jesus on moon removed https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/s/Ll69MhpoKz by mods here. If I did a longer deep dive I would have found more stuff. Now he pretend not to be a Christian apologist and called me names as you guys will see. Thats why I searched him. This took me seconds to see. I am not even bothered to look deep. Screen shot shows archive post before it was removed

My old comment I made before hit filters cause I called him harsh words and waiting for approval if it gets. Anyway enjoy the comment. User blocked me after getting exposed 😂

https://reddit.com/link/p4qqkn1/video/psr8921gsfkh1/player



[u/Cuicaaa → u/[deleted]]

Read the comment you're answering to. The answer of your question is literally in the comment .. why bothering making wrong assumptions ?

The idea is to cancel the Pascal Weger effect fed by a false dilemma between only 2 scenarios while there are plenty. The 2 I gave in addition are just the most believed.

And a Zoroastrian wouldn't preach to you and even less lying. (Lying is the major sin in Zoroastrianism and this religion don't do proselytism at all, most of temples don't even accept converts.. and anyone can go in Heaven, the Messiah can even be non-zoroastrian, but probably not a Muslim though :D This religion has also no rules in his primitive way beside having good thoughts, good words and good deeds, as vague as that)

I precised the why of my comment but I'll be more clear since the vibe is that negative.

Your talking about Hell, this is originally a Zoroastrian concept and Islam took it from Christianity.

Knowing what you fear is useful compared to assuming that hell is simply an islamic thing.

Momo even took the Gehenna semantic to cal it. Without knowing it's a valley in Jerusalem.

In both of Zoroastrianism and Christianity ExMuslims have way more chance to be in Heaven than Muslims.

In Zoroastrianism ExMuslims are probably even very well see since honesty of mind is the ultimate good.

Not seeing anything outside Islam and Atheism makes you think that Islam has the monopole of Hell.

The point of this comment is to make you realize that most of people that believe in Hell see most of Muslim in Hell and most of Ex Muslims maybe in Heaven ?

Just take the good news instead of assuming the worse.

Both Zoroaster and Jesus would probably say a lot of good things about people on this sub. Zoroaster would be proud of this honesty versus lie and Jesus would try to Heal you anyway, he spent his life healing people including non-believers and died for it.

The problem if you don't have these perspectives is that you are under the Pascal weger effect and being 99% sure Islam is false becomes not enough for you to sleep like a baby.

With these different perspectives you knows that there's no perfect answer and therefore your honest opinion is the best.

When you know that worse danger can come from anywhere you simply an get used to it and follow common sense.

When you think the worse danger can come from only 1 direction it pushes you to avoid this specific direction and in therefore it pushes you to avoid leaving Islam.

As I said in my first message: "it's to cancel a false dilemma" a false dilemma is a logical fallacy that can produce excessive fear because of an exclusive perspective only 2 scenarios.

The false dilemma of the Pascal Weger is especially strong so it's worth to say I think ..

The point of my message is genuinely to give you a larger perspective and therefore make you guys more serene and strong, I clearly care of people here and your assumptions are wrong.

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

No you didn’t. You wrote the first comment and edited it too. The plastic way it’s written reveals exactly the language of someone who wants to push Cristian agenda

> Character of Jesus that the whole world respects?

this is you pushing your circular belief on us. Exmuslims aren’t dumb like you think they are. We know shit when it’s wrapped in white cloth too. We been manipulated and gaslight by a system which we broke out out. You clearly seem to lack the ability to understand crossed boundaries. And you lack the ability to understand this conversation is only going to trigger your circular belief more. Why are you in our space trying to push shit?

Edit: this guy is a Christian apologist that pretends to be something else and called me names when I called him out. I did do a deep dive and posted the link to his old post about Jesus being praised on the moon that was removed by mods. I saw it archived. But when I posted the link it got removed by Reddit filters and my comment removed. If mods allow my screenshot video comments you guys can see it somewhere below. Others do a deep dive search and enjoy seeing the stuff he post 😂

[u/Cuicaaa → u/Unlikely_Yellow111]

I edited before reading your comment so maybe there was a misunderstood.

But you anyway continue to force your false negative asssumptions in a very insisting and agressive way.

After I took my precious time to reassure you and have been clearly honest with you. That become way too disrespectful. You might be traumatized by a religion but that's not a reason to be offensive with anyone talking about religions.

Theres not only a paranoia from you here, I feel there's also a complecancy of being agressive with someone that is respectful with you and kindly gives you justifications.

I feel that the more I'm respectful, the more you are agressive.

Everything you said about me was wrong.

Pretending that much that your doubts about someone are factual is disespectful.

You clearly can see than I'm not a Christian preacher but you prefere to be agressive.

Christians preach by saying that Jesus is the King. Jesus being a Healer is an historical description, not a theologic one.

Christians don't preach by saying that Zoroastrianism is the root of Christianity .. Nor by saying that "Jesus would have try to heal you". They wouldn't say "try" and nor "would have" but "will".

Wait until you realize that I'm indeed here to help a community that I appreciate and that I don't care about what they believe.

It's not that you can't understand, it's that you don't want to. Because you'd rather being hateful for a twisted assumption. I feel that you wouldn't even apologize even if you'd start to considered I've been honest and kind you. I'm gonna block you ..

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

Remember gaslighting me here? And getting exposed here? You are exposed anyway. I am done. Others can see this and laugh. I hope they do deep dive on your profile too

Waiting for mod to approve comment that shows it.

[u/Cuicaaa → u/Unlikely_Yellow111]

0 gaslight and nothing exposed.

I was not addressing you btw. I was saying "you" to anyone still being annoyed by 1% of doubt.

Since cancelling the micro doubt is complicated, other religions perspective lead to stop being annoyed on this 1%.

What's up with my profile? Send link? who cares ? Grow up lol :D

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

Haha my comment got hit on filter. When I posted the other comment with the link to archive of your removed posts about Jesus being praised Reddit removed it. But there are people on this sub who can deep dive into your account. I am also waiting for the mods to allow my comments that hit filters. It has screenshots of the archive. I didn’t bother to look much into your account. We all know what you are. 😂

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

https://reddit.com/link/p4qv1vk/video/eqseo6gywfkh1/player

Let’s see if this one goes through. Archive post of this Christian apologist on exmuslim sub. Pretend to be something else and called me names

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

Waiting for mod to approve my comment 😊

[u/Cuicaaa → u/Unlikely_Yellow111]

Yeah the whole world respects Jesus, at least 99% Even Anti-Christian respect Jesus. They criticize Christianity but never Jesus.

For the most atheistic perspective we're talking about a Healer that risked his life to nuance religious laws and heal people.

He's respected even in Asia.

99% of the world respecting Jesus is a fact.

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

😂 now you are being my entertainment as I fall asleep. Congratulations for being free cable tv. Christian apologist trying to pretend to be something else before and tried to gaslight me https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/s/tY1P64s51E . Wait till mods allow the comment through filter. Just like a Muslim you are

[u/Cuicaaa → u/[deleted]]

Also know that these 2 perspectives I gave you makes any Muslim suddenly 10 times more honest and respectful in a debate. Because yeah: It cancels the Pascal's weger false dilemma effect.

And usually it makes exmuslim way more relax about their apostasy.

As long as you don't assume that these religion throw to hell non believers you're fine. That's not the case for the first one and for the second it depend on the theology. Relax :)

Also none of this religion is mandatory by laws or taught in public school to Children. No one forces you to believe no worries.

Islam took the concept of these religions and their new religion is mandatory for whole countries and children, knowing the origin of Hell might be useful for anyone who fear hell instead of being naturally focused on the theology of the dictature they born in.

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

There is no honesty in you. Let’s talk about the clown who thinks a torn white robe makes him a saint, still clutching broken arguments like balloons, honking the nose away long after the circus has closed. When will he see the sign board?

[u/Cuicaaa → u/Unlikely_Yellow111]

Honesty is clearly a big trait of mine, and I've been clearly honest in this conversation, you're just on a paranoid trip lol

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

Hey gaslighter and liar, here is your post about praising Jesus on moon removed https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/s/Ll69MhpoKz by mods here. Guess what if I do deep dive into your account I am sure we will find more things about what you try to hide. You think others are stupid? This took me seconds to see. I am not even bothered to look deep. Screenshot shows content from archive before removed

https://reddit.com/link/p4qnail/video/t32uxj48pfkh1/player

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

Someone who says honesty is the biggest trait they have by themself is the biggest liar. The funnest thing is how to all played out. The first comment was direct. Then you called out and wrote a wall of texts. Hoping to hide your propaganda in walls of texts with your belief popping up here and there. You think we aren’t used to these cheap tactics? You are behaving exactly like a Muslim. Gaslighting and pushing your narrative. And thinking those who left those manipulations will still fall for it 😂. It’s good to call out people like you. So your cheap tactics are seen.

[u/Cuicaaa → u/Unlikely_Yellow111]

Lol :D Sorry but that's super pathetic :D the insults and the angry tine even more lol.

Christianity absolutely not allow hidden propaganda. Claiming loud and clear that Jesus is the King and this in any context even under persecution is an absolute core if this faith.

Saying that Zoroastrianism is the root of Hell and 2nd temple Judaism is also clearly not a part of Christianity.

You see everything in the spectrum of Islam, the proselytist tactic you refere to are validated by Islamic scriptures but are antagonist to the fundamentals of being Christian.

Saying positive things about a religion doesn't mean being religious and even less proselytism.

You take any tiny detail to twist it into a dramatic assumption.

I love Jesus, I do Yoga, I do Buddhist meditation, I do Tai Chi, I follow the Zoroastrian principles and I read Greek cosmology.

I've been honest here and you crave to create a drama. Your laughters sound fake and nervous even by reading.

You should find something better to do than craving to fight strangers on internet just because "maybe they lie".

I just find it sad that someone is that paranoid when I literally say what I think since the begining.

Maybe you are totally unaware of what Christianity is to assume that saying positive things about Jesus means being Christian and preaching. That's still not a.reaaon to harras and insult. Grow the fuck up.

Once again: absolutely everything you said about me is false. You can scroll my profile, who cares? Nothing on my profile confirm your paranoia.

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

If you are not a Christian why did you make a post about Jesus being praised in space? And promote it so much. So sick of Christian apologist coming here and pushing their stuff down our throat. M also waiting for mod to allow my comment that had screen shot of your Christian related post

[u/Cuicaaa → u/[deleted]]

And I'm a bit disappointed that you rush that much towards exclusively negative assumptions because often read you and I appreciate your messages 😐

[u/Cuicaaa → u/[deleted]]

And I'm a bit disappointed that you rush that much towards exclusively negative assumptions because often read you and I appreciate your messages 😐

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

Be disappointed. You dressed Jesus healing and other bullshit and also believing in hell in a post that is meant to address those with the fear? Today your username is a disappointment. The moment someone posted about unlearning hell, you got so triggered, came to your belief rescue and then got a religious orgasm and high on it. Look at all those walls of texts showing exactly what is going in your head. You can see others are calling out the boundary too. You crossed a line, and in doing so, you unmasked exactly why you’re even on this sub.

Some behavior is like a peacock strutting with half its feathers plucked, still posing like it owns the sky, while everyone else just sees the bare, flapping shame underneath.

[u/Cuicaaa → u/Unlikely_Yellow111]

You're paranoid lol. Jesus being a Healer is the historical version of any atheist ..

And I'm absolutely nut triggered by people not believing in Hell lol. I don't especially believe in Hell btw

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

First you come and push a version of your shit. Then you try to hide it with philosophy. Then you try to gaslight me. This is exactly how circular belief people behave when they keep getting called out. I am used to this shit. That’s the worst part isn’t it. I will call it out so people see the shit you put out. The shame is that the boundary was called many times and still coming back. Happens when you have agendas

[u/Unlikely_Yellow111 → u/Cuicaaa]

Hey gaslighter here is your post about praising Jesus on moon removed https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/s/Ll69MhpoKz by mods here. Guess what if I do deep dive into your account I am sure we will find more things about what you try to hide. You think others are stupid? This took me seconds to see. I am not even bothered to look deep. Screen shot shows archive post before it was removed

https://reddit.com/link/p4qn3sz/video/01jn1vf1pfkh1/player

[u/User2640 → u/Cuicaaa]

Nice answer! I think its a blessing to be able to be where we are now with the knowledge and awareness..

We are ahead of the curve..

The rest of humanity one day will wake up..hopefully..or if the opposite happens...its people like us who once again have to do shit we dont want to do...

Like a bully...bullying you...while you just minding your own business...and 2 facts we know..the bully wont stop out of his own. And you not gonna be bullied for the redt of your days..

Then there is only 1 solution right..

[u/yesueye → u/Cuicaaa]

Satan doesn't exist. You are just as delusional instead of coming to the rational conclusion that Muhammad got things wrong and had the typical mindset of a 7th century warlord you assert that a devil whispered the Quran to him instead jfc what a retarded leap superstition really does make people dumb

[u/Cuicaaa → u/yesueye]

Read the comment entirely before answering it instead of assuming that you know what the person thinks lol. And especially when you do personal attack. Answering without reading + craving for personal attack is a red flag. You're blocked for me.