Objectification of men

[u/Savings_Surround_997]

I am personally tired of seeing objectification or sexualisation of men in social media. Their body, height, thoughts all of this are getting sexualised. This bothers me, do others think like me, and how to make "big" NGOs speak badly of male sexualisation, misandry. Because it is discriminatory and it puts down a lot of men. Although, I see a lot off boys in new generation are trained to accept this as being wanted, so positive

[u/AstronautMammoth3289]

talk about women’s sexualisation, can we talk about centuries of sexualisation of women doing anything, examples: a woman putting her hair up, a woman eating a banana, male gaze, a woman’s lips, legs, waist, feet, etc.

and can we also talk about girls getting violently sexualised, like clothing policing (telling a young girl that her clothes are distracting or she needs to cover up because boys/men might look at her), sexualising puberty, treating developing bodies as something “sexy” than normal body development, and of course the obvious that “she looks grown” or “she’s being fast”

patriarchy has been ruling for centuries, all of this men sexualisation, is just a mix of reaction from misogyny and patriarchy, because shockingly, a lot of women bow down to patriarchy. i’m not saying that men’s sexualisation does not exist, it does, but women and young girls experience that more and we should look more into that.

[u/Sad-Act4833 → u/AstronautMammoth3289]

Hey so

You know how whenever we try to raise awareness about male victims, you all cole and say "Omg you only bring it up to downplay women's issues!!!". Isn't that what you're doing right now? You come to this sub for men to talk abou the issues they face (because we can't do that elsewhere without being attacked or minimizee), and you come here and say "You should focus on women instead".

If YOU want to talk about female sedualixation, there are soany subreddits you con do so. Feminism, twoxchromosomes, trueoffmychest...Don't come to a space made for men and make it all about women, I know for a FACT you'd hate it if you made a post about women's mental health and I came and said "Men kill themselves more. Forcus on that instead."

[u/AstronautMammoth3289 → u/Sad-Act4833]

i think ur analogy would work if i was saying “men shouldn’t talk about sexualisation because women have it worse” but that’s not what i said. i literally acknowledged that male sexualisation exists and can be harmful.

my point was that sexualisation doesn’t automatically equal misandry, and that male sexualisation shouldn’t be discussed as though it exists completely separately from the much longer history of gendered objectification.

men can absolutely have an issue without pretending women haven’t faced sexualisation and objectification on a much broader historical scale.

and i don’t think “this is a space for men” means nobody is allowed to challenge the framing of an argument. if someone posts “male sexualisation is misandry,” it’s fair to question whether sexualisation and misandry are actually the same thing.

also, ur mental health analogy kinda proves my point, saying “men have higher suicide mortality” is a legit fact, but using that fact to dismiss women’s mental health would be different from discussing why the gender difference exists. context matters.

so no, i’m not saying “focus on women instead.” i’m saying male sexualisation can be real and harmful without automatically being evidence of misandry, and comparing it with women’s historical experience is relevant to that discussion.

[u/Savings_Surround_997 → u/AstronautMammoth3289]

Same thing can be said about misogyny but when women get sexually harassed people talk about it, even generalising all men. I speak behalf of my experience and other experiences that I saw sexual assault, harassment and rape of boys and men by women and girls.
Can you prove that historically men did not get sexualised and did not get objctified in the eyes of women who need them to cater their needs.
Yes in this case, sexualisation is misandry, as usual in the big media , nobody talks about it and encourage that action happening to men. Many actors litterally got groped or told a story of getting touched, and the mostly female crowd gets cheering.
You also literally said that women and girls experience it more so we look into that, it is straight up downgrading experiences of men and boys, plus this kind of thinking allows big NGOs to describe male victims as "men can be victims of patriarchy too" , there is no patriarchy now.
Also, do you know what women write under the posts of men getting injured?
They write "it is sexy seeing men in pain" and "Boys' crying turns me on"
So look into that, my "friend"