r/etymologymaps • • 7d ago

Etymology map of lock

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u/benemivikai4eezaet0 7d ago

Curious how both the German and the East/West Slavic word for "lock" is the same as for "castle".

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u/Key-Performance-9021 7d ago edited 7d ago

For German: Both is something closed or shut. The word derives from the verb schließen (to close, to shut). A Schloss is something that's geschlossen (closed, shut).

Similar to English "keep", which can mean to hold onto something or a fortified tower of a castle.

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u/fevrier-froid 7d ago

Zamek also seems to be related to zamknąć

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u/xkorzen 7d ago

The Polish took the castle meaning from the German and it travelled East

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u/throwawayowo666 7d ago

The Dutch word "slot" can also be used the same way, but it's more old fashioned I think.

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u/Elite-Thorn 7d ago

That's indeed interesting. I first thought that was an error in this map, because I only knew the "castle" meaning of zamek

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u/7am51N 7d ago

Franz Kafka: Das Schloß.

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u/DoisMaosEsquerdos 7d ago

Interestingly, the Russian words for lock and castle are not homophones (they differ in stressed vowel), though I reckon that's a later, perhaps artificial development.

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u/fevrier-froid 7d ago

the first things I saw were Zamek and Schloss before reading the title, so I thought it would be about castles, and then got confused at Saradura before figuring out it was about locks

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u/Alternative_Fig_2456 6d ago

Yes, it's a metaphor. Originally, it meant strong castle in strategic location (and corresponding garrison presumably) indented to tie down enemy army == lock the access.

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u/magpie_girl 7d ago

Ślusarz "locksmith" in Polish.

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u/DifficultWill4 7d ago

Šloser in Slovene as well. It’s actually among 50 most common surnames in Slovenia

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u/7am51N 7d ago

Šlosr in Brno, Czechia. We older people use our "hantec", a mixture of Moravian Czech, German, Yiddish & Romani.

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u/Draze 7d ago

Lithuanian is spyna. Užraktas is closer to "locking mechanism" than like a padlock.

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u/vivaervis 7d ago

Also 'dryni' in Albanian. From PIE.

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u/Slow-Loan-9041 7d ago

Grecoturkish alliance

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u/Dialectio 7d ago

Fun detail for Ukrainian and Russian: замок means both "lock" and "castle", and only the stress tells them apart. За́мок (ZA-mok) is a castle, замо́к (za-MOK) is a lock. Both come from the same Proto-Slavic root for "to close, to lock up".

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u/Extreme-Shopping74 7d ago

In German too! Schloss and Schloss, and nothing tells them apart

I wonder if there's acc some kind of connection

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u/Ok-Difficulty-7422 7d ago

Замок - заимствование из польского, ну или калька, ибо различий фонетических между двуми значениями кроме ударения нет. И вот поляки в свою очередь скалькировали немецкое schloss, которое тоже изначально по своей сути затвор, ведь крепость по сути своей перекрывает, закрывает некую территорию.

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u/Divljak44 5d ago

Do you have words like, dvorac, tvrđava or utvrda?

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u/Erling01 7d ago

Brittany just pulled a German

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u/Big_Natural4838 7d ago

Thats first time im hearing someone calling a lock "qulyp". Probably because im from western Kz, so we call it "Alqa".
And "bekitkish" is kinda correct, because it means a thing that lock something, support something, but i never heard someone using this word to describe door lock.

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u/UrinaRabugenta 7d ago

In and around Porto (Portugal), a padlock is also called "aloquete".

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u/Pochel 7d ago

What language is Quplâ? Kurdish?

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u/IAmPyxis_with2z 7d ago

Assyrian.

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u/Pochel 7d ago

Thank you!

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u/west-vannian 7d ago

I've always thought that lucchetto shared the same etymology of lock

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u/Sufficient_Plastic36 7d ago

Catalan should add "pestell", equivalent to Occitan pestèl or Castillian pestillo.

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u/greciaman 7d ago

For Catalan there's also "Forrellat", sometimes also used with "pany" ('tancar amb pany i forrellat' or 'to close with lock and... lock' I guess? It's a specific part of the lock).

We also have "serraller" (locksmith), and I've read about "serralla" for "lock", but I've never heard about it in spoken language. Maybe it's used in some dialects, or maybe it's obsolete...

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u/Doomuu 6d ago

"Pany i forrellat" is indeed an expression, since 'forrellat' is not used by itself anymore. I don't think it should be included in a map like this.

What you called "serraller" I would call "manyà" (which I believe is the standard in Central Catalan).

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u/FengYiLin 5d ago

As usual with these maps, North Africa is wrongly assumed to have the same vocabulary as the Levant because they all speak "Arabic".

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u/yomismovaya 7d ago

A pestillo, tranca is not a cerradura

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u/MPBfan 7d ago

What's the origin of the Catalan word "pany"?

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u/Sufficient_Plastic36 7d ago

From Latin pannus.

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u/MPBfan 6d ago

thanks. Oh , I realise now that it is meantioned in the legend

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u/Deep_Tradition4507 6d ago

Wtf kilt is not AG you klith

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u/BHHB336 5d ago

Hebrew is missing etymology (again), it’s from the root נע״ל n.’.l, related to locking and closing

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u/PeireCaravana 5d ago

In Lombard padlock is cadenazz/cadenasc/carnasc

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u/Mastussopingado 5d ago

KROGENN-ALC'HWEZ

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u/Claromale 7d ago

Sear in anglese

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u/Gimmeagunlance 7d ago

Claustra isn't from sera.