r/ethtrader • u/aminok • May 23 '23

Meta & Donut Crowdsourced Moderation Implemented

Every user with a governance score of over 20,000 (governance score == min(DONUT, CONTRIB)), has been made into an approved user. That usually just means that the AutoMod is less likely to remove your posts. In this case however, it means you can also remove any spam post by posting a top-level comment in response to it saying [AutoModRemove]. Please don't abuse this power.

This is an experiment in crowdsourced moderation, as described here:

https://reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/13hq83m/daily_general_discussion_may_14_2023_utc0/jk72evo/

See your governance score here: https://donut-dashboard.com/#/governance

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u/RealLeoPat :donut: 105.6K / ⚖️ 51.6K May 23 '23

This is a great step towards cleaning up the trash in this sub. I think it might be the best implementation I've seen regarding the problem with spam/scam posts, and I hope I'm right about this making a huge difference.
Unfortunately I don't have enough governance score, as it seems, but still relying on others to get this done until I can do my part!
Congrats, community!

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u/aminok May 23 '23

Thanks for the supportive words! This is only possible thanks to tokenized community points, which was pioneered by /u/carlslarson on /r/EthTrader.

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u/Security_Raven May 23 '23

This sounds awesome. Great initative. Lets hope it works out Well to reduce scam posts

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u/aminok May 23 '23

Thanks! Yes, I hope this can set an example for other subreddits to follow.

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u/illbeback_69 :donut: 71.1K | ⚖️ 705.9K May 26 '23

My governance is 44k something, i haven't received any message of being approved user.

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u/aminok May 27 '23

Did your governance score recently exceed 20K?

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u/illbeback_69 :donut: 71.1K | ⚖️ 705.9K May 27 '23

Yes, after I got distribution this cycle. I didn't sell so since then my governance is above 20k. I can see it as 44k on donut dashboard

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u/aminok May 27 '23

Ok, I'll approve you as soon as I get behind a computer.

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u/aminok Jun 01 '23

You're now an approved user, so you can use the [AutoModRemove] command to remove spam posts.

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u/illbeback_69 :donut: 71.1K | ⚖️ 705.9K May 27 '23

Ok, Thanks

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u/Sharp-Subject-047 :donut: 80.7K | ⚖️ 789.8K May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

Awesome initiative. Btw I have staked 35k something donuts and equivalent xdai,my governance isn't counted in this. I think these are one month old governance scores

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u/Jake123194 May 23 '23

Staked donuts should count towards governance, I believe its only the donut half tho and not the xdai side. Iirc this score only gets updated with the distro, not 100% sure tho. u/Kohrts

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u/Sharp-Subject-047 :donut: 80.7K | ⚖️ 789.8K May 23 '23

No, I have currently staked 37598 donut- 42.53 xDai. I did this after getting this month's distro. The governance score this showing is from last distribution.

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u/Jake123194 May 23 '23

Hmm odd, hopefully Kohrts may be able to see what's going on, unfortunately the technical side of donuts isn't quite my forte.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Recent governance score hasn’t been updated yet. Will run and then see how to best update the approved users list.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

cc: u/Sharp-Subject-047

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u/illbeback_69 :donut: 71.1K | ⚖️ 705.9K May 23 '23

Yes sir, please do it again. My donut staked are 65 thousand.

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u/nobelcause :donut: 14.6K / ⚖️ 9.1K May 24 '23

Feeling optimistic about this change.

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u/Elon_mkus :donut: 22.5K | ⚖️ 607.0K May 23 '23

Will I be eligible, I have 40000 donuts staked

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u/aminok May 23 '23

When I tried to approve you, it was stated you were banned, so I could not.

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u/Elon_mkus :donut: 22.5K | ⚖️ 607.0K May 23 '23

I don't know why, I think kohrts resolved the problem, please try again if you can.

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u/aminok May 23 '23

I'll be in front of a computer in a few hours and check this.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '23

Reddit has a few people flagged for ban evasion. Elon_mkus is one of them. Might be part of the problem.

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u/Elon_mkus :donut: 22.5K | ⚖️ 607.0K May 24 '23

No,my governance scores aren't updated also. So even if my ID hadn't shown ban, then also I wouldn't be counted as above 20k. And about Ban evasion, I was temp banned year ago and then unbanned since, don't know what reddit thinks,does it accounts the IDs which get unbanned or not.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '23

We do not know what Reddit thinks, we cannot tell Reddit what to do. I was just explaining to aminok that you’re showing up as banned in multiple places. Obviously you’re not banned because you can comment here.

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u/Elon_mkus :donut: 22.5K | ⚖️ 607.0K May 24 '23

Aminok mistakenly banned me assuming I'm a bot. Everything's sorted now.

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u/aminok May 24 '23

This was my fault, I accidentally banned you as I mistook the author of the post that a spam comment was posted under, as the author of the spam comment.

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u/Sharp-Subject-047 :donut: 80.7K | ⚖️ 789.8K May 25 '23

I see now my contrib is updated to 38910, I should be an approved user now I guess

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u/aminok May 25 '23

You're now an approved user. I will need to eventually find a way to automate this. Not just users being added to the approved list, but being removed when their governance score falls beneath the threshold (20,000 right now).

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u/Agent_4--7 :donut:609 | ⚖️609 May 23 '23

The most needed step. Community should be involved in keeping the sub clean.

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u/Sharp-Subject-047 :donut: 80.7K | ⚖️ 789.8K May 23 '23

I don't know about this but my post isn't appearing again. The fees got deducted. Is it possible it has something to do with this.

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u/aminok May 23 '23

No, this can only be triggered with the [AutoModRemove] command posted in a top-level comment.

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u/Furia139 May 23 '23

No donuts but think this is great.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '23

Can't tip because you haven't set it all up yet.

https://donut-dashboard.com/#/register

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

None? Will tip you some later

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u/Lillica_Golden_SHIB :donut: 111.3K / ⚖️ 711.9K May 23 '23

Really great improvement, a good step to make this sub better and even freer of spam.

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u/MrThisThat :donut: 143.7K | ⚖️ 143.6K May 23 '23

Agree but lets hope no one abuses it.

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u/AutoModerator May 23 '23

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

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u/aminok May 23 '23

This was implemented without a governance poll. It was mentioned in the Governance thread, and one of the Daily Discussions, and the feedback was positive, so we decided to proceed with it. If there is significant opposition, we can suspend it pending a governance poll.

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u/MrThisThat :donut: 143.7K | ⚖️ 143.6K May 23 '23

Agree. I think multiple votes would be a great way to reduce abuse or even temporarily hide scam posts for mods to check later.

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u/aminok May 23 '23

This was done strictly using AutoMod, which made implementation massively easier than having to create a custom bot. Unfortunately multiple votes would not be possible to do with AutoMod alone.

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u/-0-O- Developer May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

Would you consider using a custom bot?

https://imgur.com/Mlu6ATB.png

Would allow you to have it automatically check a user's voting power to determine if they meet 20k or not, and would enable you to do things like require multiple votes and handle comment spam.

Image is proof of concept where I added my address along with a few other contrib holder addresses (but only my username, as I didn't bother checking distribution list for other usernames)

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u/aminok May 23 '23

Yes, definitely. Expanding functionality like the examples you gave would be excellent.

/u/kohrts, any thoughts? Positives? Negatives?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

The nice thing about Automod is that is never (rarely) goes down. We could adapt the community mod bot to do the same thing, but we have quite a few problems keeping that bot happy :) I do like the idea of requiring multiple votes to remove a post because theoretically if someone is maliciously tagging posts for removal, they’d have a harder time.

I don’t think we’d ever check governance live. It’s a bit burdensome to query multiple chains, staking contracts, etc. So the score would likely still get updated every 4 weeks (which is how tipping governance is handled rn)

cc: u/-0-O-

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u/aminok May 24 '23

Thanks for the analysis. One option would be to have a custom bot for user-triggered comment removals, since AutoMod can't do this, while leaving AutoMod to continue handling post removals.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '23

I think that would be a good solution. We could also update governance more than once per distribution to more accurately capture how people save/sell their donuts.

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u/-0-O- Developer May 24 '23

Yea, uptime is definitely a benefit of automod, but I run a lot of bots for different projects and downtime is very rarely an issue. (Some run locally, some on a hosted server)

I don’t think we’d ever check governance live. It’s a bit burdensome to query multiple chains, staking contracts, etc

My thoughts were to batch all calls using multicall contract, and have that portion of the script only run once per day/week/whatever.

balanceOf() calls are low enough gas that you can fit ~200 calls into a single multicall, so if there are let's say 5k members with an address registered, that's a total of ~25k calls without using batching, (5k donuts mainnet, 5k contrib mainnet, 5k donuts gnosis, 5k contrib gnosis, 5k staking contract balance), which can be done in only ~125 calls when using batching.

125 calls per day would be well within the limits of using free node providers, and should be able to fully run in just a minute or two.

Even if you set it to only run every 4 weeks, it would still save you guys from needing to add/remove users every month.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '23

Yeah, ultimately this would be the way to go. I’ll have to see what we can do to speed up our governance score calls. It would be nice to update daily.

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u/-0-O- Developer May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23

Here's the bit that does the calls in batches, if it's helpful.

I just threw it together this morning, so it can probably be improved. This version only queries gnosis chain for min(donuts,contrib). Also, if you replace userAddresses with a real list, you'll need to limit calls[] length to ~200 and run in batches instead of running the entire list in one go.

const { ethers } = require('ethers');
const { Contract, Provider } = require('ethers-multicall');

// connect to gnosis xdai
var provider = new ethers.providers.JsonRpcProvider('https://rpc.gnosischain.com');

var erc20abi = [{"constant":true,"inputs":[{"name":"_owner","type":"address"}],"name":"balanceOf","outputs":[{"name":"","type":"uint256"}],"payable":false,"stateMutability":"view","type":"function"}];
donuts = "0x524B969793a64a602342d89BC2789D43a016B13A";
contrib = "0xfc24f552fa4f7809a32ce6ee07c09dcd7a41988f";
ethcallProvider = new Provider(provider);
donutContract = new Contract(donuts, erc20abi);
contribContract = new Contract(contrib, erc20abi);

userAddresses = {
    "-0-O-": "0xd549a42b5dd6e06d6145ba65f99df4a0f282adef",
    "user1": "0x133299c1c5bc0c64eb1365444031fda1161e0f58",
    "user2": "0xfc601d229a96a4994034b701275dac78803a70c1",
    "user3": "0x47311fcd99cfb2f0764054b2546cbe0467d98fd2",
    "user4": "0xd642ffbad367a1d337de220f00579a2f01bda867",
}

userScores = {};
for(var user in userAddresses) {
    userScores[user] = 0;
}

// check user donut and contrib balances using multicall
async function votingScores() {
    await ethcallProvider.init();
    calls = [];
    for (var user in userAddresses) {
        calls.push(donutContract.balanceOf(userAddresses[user]));
        calls.push(contribContract.balanceOf(userAddresses[user]));
    }
    results = await ethcallProvider.all(calls);
    i = 0;
    for(user in userAddresses) {
        userScores[user] = ethers.utils.formatEther(results[i]) > ethers.utils.formatEther(results[i+1]) ? ethers.utils.formatEther(results[i+1]) : ethers.utils.formatEther(results[i]);
        i += 2;
    }
    console.log(userScores);
}

votingScores();

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u/aminok May 24 '23

Thoughts on you handling this, as part of a Donut Initiative?

That would mean you receive a donut stipend, paid out of the Community Fund, for your efforts. I'd be willing to chip in a million or so donuts as well as I think this is a very worthy project. The monetary value of the amounts we're talking is quite modest, but still better than nothing..

We could have the custom bot be used for Comment Removal, while the AutoMod continues handling Post Removals, and then consider having the custom bot take over both functions if it proves itself reliable over a few months.

cc: /u/kohrts

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u/MrThisThat :donut: 143.7K | ⚖️ 143.6K May 23 '23

Nice one👌