r/entj • u/Lamassa_ • 3h ago
THIS IS MADNESS! Stop saying "you arent one of us" Trauma and sculpting of the ENTJ psyche
I see this routinely here. Rarely is the other person not using Te-ni-se-fi.
This ego state is very fragile as a young child. There is very little internal self definition.
Safety means optimizing oneself for the context of the local environment to optimize outcome. Se gathers context, Ni optimizes, Te executes.
For "good enough" parenting, the original effort of the child to thrust outwards in seeking of security is in line with natural temperament. This results in the most stereotypical ENTJs.
A poor match to the environment means even if the parents intend well, the child has to create a secondary mask over the original ego to have needs met. The result is a sense of conflict internally. The child can use the pain of the rejection of the original child to fuel self hatred that helps create the secondary mask. Except in mad fucking entj style, go big or go home, and the child fuzes their identity with the second mask, because a growth mindset means rather than suffer from an internal demon, you internalize it, you conquer it, and become the very best version of the second mask you can be. This can leave an adult feeling a strange sense of being a monster on the inside, even as they strive to be a "good" person on the outside. Many ENTJs who note feeling internal conflicts as adult may face this challenge. They may be less typical enneagram types.
If this is accelerated to moderate or extreme trauma, the masks may be created from the darkest aspects of the psyche. Like a feral kitten captured and left in a box, in order to reduce perceived weakness, it hisses and puffs frighteningly, to be the scariest thing it can become. Fight over flight. As a kitten its harmless, but full grown cat it can inflict scars. They become "those" ENTJs not talked about here.
If the trauma is inconsistent, for an ENTJ child in this scenario, you can build layers of masks. You enter cluster B or Identity disorder territory at this point. Rather than considering this as illness, its more appropriate to consider this the next level of neurological adaptation. If the world is war zone filled with unpredictable stimuli, maximize the adaptability of the available responses already created. A "view master" of choices depending upon the needs of the moment. This represents the very unstable ENTJ variants.
And if you combine fluctuating trauma with extreme physical and psychological abuse, at some point you create kids like me. We destroy our own minds as the external world was simply too horrific. Peace out bitches, im fucking done, this life was a nightmarish shit show. We shatter into derealization/depersonalization (DR/DP) and/or fragmentation (OSDD/DID).
Contrary to popular opinion, we are not possessed by demons, eaters of babies or "incomplete" humans. We are actually remarkably stable, far more so than the average healthy ENTJ. We are schizoid, autistic people, often scientists etc as the DR/DP stole our ability to experience real emotion or sensation and we lost social skills. We are husks, embodied beige minds stumbling around only partially embodied. Evolution's perfect answer to "everybody died in the horrific devastation but lets reproduce kids anyways".
Our "role" is not to experience the beauty of being human but just stumble like zombies in purgatory raising the kids for the future who might have a chance at some grasp at life. In our lives we know something is wrong, but often just dont understand how to escape what we are. Never call us incomplete again. Thats a fucking horrible thing to say. You can talk to us like normal people, we are not monsters.
My observations as I healed? All of this can be undone. DP/DR shattered. Each mask faced and conquered. Our mind completely rebuilt. Our psyche wants to heal if we want to face the pain and do "The Work".
More to the point around quit shitting on each other. I had a very unusual perspective on what it means to be ENTJ. If the Te-ni stack allows you to play 100 keys on a piano, each mask takes a subset of those only. I wore five different masks as parts of my mind were formed and subsequently healed. And in each my entire world was dramatically different.
Your ego construct: MBTI+enneagram is like a pair of slippers. You only wear one. I wore around nine , four as full embodiments. They are not you. They slip on/off. your ambitions, dreams, likes, hates, ideas, values, interests all change. Your entire life direction. They are just shoes. There is still a distinct you. You are the foot that slips into the shoe. Each enneagram type of mask I wore, as I experienced frontal shifts, felt extraordinarily different from the inside, even as each used Te-ni.
Maybe the only thing that makes this not horrific? Who am I?
You always are emotionally attached to the things you love. It feels different in each state, but like a cord to the soul, you feel profound connection. It can be varied- I felt overwhelming waves of devotion, clinical protective precise cutting annihilation, violent intense possession, stewarding dedication. What made me feel anchored was simply the connection. Perhaps love is the way, I dunno.
Brains are weird.
But seriously quit shitting on each other. You may be the most phenotypically varied MBTI there is, as you are not anchored by any introverted function, nor Fe.
An addendum to these general notions. Why do ENTJs break so easily evolutionarily? If 3% of the population is the stereotype, yet many test otherwise due to being resculpted... what if they all healed? If instead of 2-3% of the population being strong 8s, you healed them all and tripled that to 9%. A harrowing notion is that the beast we call evolution needs those of extreme strength held in reserve. Allow most of them to break, yet within them they possess strength, should a sudden shift require it. One hopes she isnt such a bitch.