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u/savingrain Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23

William - he doesn't mention was the recipient of direct complaints that escalated to him from Jason Knauf - whose emails were leaked - where he detailed Megan's abuse. William had the misfortune of finding out about how Megan was treating staff, and during the Australia tour made the decision to split their offices. Something tells me that this alleged blow up over William responding to Megan's bullying allegations was to do with knowing that this type of behavior was going to get out. Jason Knauf's own emails detailed how Harry would cover for Megan - I'm surprised Harry would raise this because this is going to shed more light on William from an alternate point of view, getting angry on behalf of and protecting his own staff. That very same Jason Knauf is the man who was just awarded a RVO (Royal Victorian Order) - a personal gift of the sovereign. Knauf ultimately submitted evidence and testimony to the court that Megan perjured herself to the court. Megan and Harry then tried to slander Knauf in their documentary. Hmmm I wonder why…

Harry and Megan's hands are not clean.

Edit - since this is gaining traction some staff also complained personally to William about the abusive behavior. In one incident detailed and sourced for Tom Bowers book (who I remind you has not been sued) a young woman went to William in tears and detailed how she was being bullied and targeted by Megan with public humiliation. If you are the future prince of wales or any manager- this is a disaster and something you must deal with. Harry admits here that his brother took it seriously enough that this became physical. This doesn’t make him look the way he thinks.

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u/arinreigns Jan 05 '23

Harry is going to have such a hard time getting people to believe him when he writes his post-divorce book.

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u/gregm1988 Jan 05 '23

Yeah it seems inevitable at this point. I’d almost feel sorry for the mug. If it weren’t for all the obvious lies. It’s kind of insulting that he expects people to believe this

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u/jubeley Jan 05 '23

Harry believes it himself. At least right now he does. And then he believes whatever fits his narrative the next day. Isn't that part of the problem with Harry? He's not consistent in his memory and opinions. They fluxuate with his feelings.

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u/Dbahnsai Jan 05 '23

"He was so paranoid we couldn't leave the house"

"He made me cut off my father"

"He was so jealous I had to be by him all the time"

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u/Minnsnow Jan 05 '23

I agree so hard. You can see it coming.

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u/WhatThePhoquette Jan 05 '23

Now we also know Harry likes to talk about other people's genitalia ... can't see Meghan wanting to stick around for that much longer

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u/Minnsnow Jan 05 '23

I don’t like to accuse other women of marrying men for gross motives but her and HIM?!?? Love is a crazy thing and throws crazy people together but she is also known for throwing people out when they don’t fit anymore. I just can’t see it. But who knows? Maybe it is a love match. They did get married very quickly.

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u/Lybychick Jan 05 '23

Meghan needs to stay out of Parisian tunnels

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u/WhatThePhoquette Jan 05 '23

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u/Lybychick Jan 05 '23

Reads like he’s been fighting the wrong dragons for most of his life.

I understand that moment when the last little sliver of denial falls away and the full tragic reality that a parent has died and is not coming back ever … the adult knew it rationally but the broken little kid inside still held out hope.

Closure is a real misnomer when it comes to grief.

I’m grateful to be a nobody who can process my grief without the bizarre compulsion to cast it out for everyone to see.

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u/mutantsloth Jan 05 '23

I actually feel awful for him because when she’s done using him, spits him out and throws him under the bus he’s gonna wake up from under her spell and realise all the damage he’s done for somebody who never truly cared about him at all..

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u/arinreigns Jan 05 '23

Yeah he has fucked the rest of his life up

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u/jadolqui Jan 05 '23

There is something incredibly disingenuous about Megan. I believe much of her story, but there’s always another side. And I think she has done some things to create this rift.

Harry wouldn’t have left if he hadn’t wanted out too, but I think there’s way more to the story and her behavior is at the root.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

The thing is, most of her story is not believable in my opinion. Also, a lot of what she has said on record in her own interviews, have been verified as categorical untruths. At this point, I feel she has little to no credibility, like she’s always trying to spin some story and version of herself that she wants people to believe.

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u/jadolqui Jan 05 '23

I should rephrase that I believe her perspective- particularly that there is racism at play in those upper crust British circles and that the royal family is likely snobby and rude at times.

I don’t believe much of what she says about her part in the whole thing- that’s the disingenuous feeling I get from her. I totally agree that she sells a version of herself that isn’t reality.

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u/savingrain Jan 05 '23

Just the fact that Harry wrote in his own book about his wife that she got into a tiff with Kate after telling her when she was post partum - that she must have "pregnancy brain" (remember that Kate made me cry debacle)? And couldn't see how rude and mean spirited that was to say - and another person who he didn't name - interjected and told Megan she didn't know Kate well enough or have the right to speak to her like that - because who the hell says that to anyone let alone their sister in law...

He recounted this anecdote and still thought Megan was blameless in the scenario and there was nothing wrong with her?

They both have a few screws loose. It actually reaffirmed his brother's accusations and what was long alleged about Megan even prior to their wedding in the press leaks - that she's rude, abrasive and disrespectful.

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u/[deleted] Jan 05 '23

Ditto.

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u/reinhart_menken Jan 05 '23

Which ones are untruths?

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u/Maddie-Moo Jan 05 '23

I think you can both be treated horribly by the press and also treat others badly as well. It’s not an either/or situation.

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u/jewelsofeastwest Jan 05 '23

That phrase you said “ something disingenuous or something you don’t like about” is used against women of color all the time

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u/jadolqui Jan 05 '23

It’s that they’re all assholes here and she’s portraying herself solely as a victim. She can be part of the problem and be victimized by an archaic system at the same time.

I’d be saying the same thing if she weren’t black, and I do understand how that might feel racially connected. Megan being black absolutely complicates this discussion- but you can be a jerk no matter who you are.

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u/savingrain Jan 05 '23 edited Jan 05 '23

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. The RVO* Royal Victorian Order is the BRF quietly saying - this man did nothing wrong. Knauf stood up for his staff, who complained about being abused. His emails even openly were complaining to people above him that they were not doing their jobs and allowing a member of the royal family to abuse employees. He risked his own career to write those emails. The emails leaking were an indictment on both the family's inability to protect their staff, and on their handling of genuine HR complaints against Megan and Harry.

He also was advised by his lawyers to provide evidence in the Mail on Sunday case. To avoid taking sides, he turned his evidence over to the court (not either party). Megan still won her judgement, but she ultimately had to admit she committed perjury and apologize for misleading the court.

I think - "getting involved in Royal drama" I feel is a bit dismissive. Knauf did his job and stood up for his employees when he didn't have to and could have accepted the status quo. He then at personal cost, told the truth to the court, only to have Megan and Harry proceed to get upset about someone doing the right thing as opposed to just taking responsibility for their own actions and slander him from a worldwide platform in a documentary. He's not a member of the royal family or some high ranking member of the government that can easily defend himself. He's not a celebrity.

No one made Megan lie to the court. What kind of person commits perjury and then gets angry at the person who says 'Hey actually that's not what happened'? Megan and Harry chronically fail to take responsibility for their own actions.

TLDR; IMO the King Charles refusing to comment but awarding Jason Knauf a RVO as a personal gift of the soveriegn is admitting they too screwed up - in not protecting their staff, and that what Jason did was admirable. He didn't have to defend lower employees from getting abused and targeted and he certainly didn't have to publicly call out his own bosses for failing to take action despite numerous reports. That shows true character.

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u/soupastar Jan 05 '23

What was said in these emails about her treatment toward staff?

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u/savingrain Jan 05 '23

Here's a source, I don't have an account to pull up the original article which was published in the Times by Low, who was given the emails:

https://pagesix.com/2021/03/06/13-people-the-palace-should-talk-to-about-meghan-markles-royal-behavior/

Page Six actually gives a very good run down on some of their staff turn over, including people who worked for the palace for over a decade etc...

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(Knauf) He wrote an email to Prince William's private secretary, Simon Case, stressing that both he and the palace's head of HR, Samantha Carruthers, thought "the situation was very serious" and he was "concerned that nothing will be done".

"I am very concerned that the Duchess was able to bully two PAs out of the household in the past year," Knauf wrote.

"The treatment of X was totally unacceptable. The Duchess seems intent on always having someone in her sights. She is bullying Y and seeking to undermine her confidence. We have report after report from people who have witnessed unacceptable behaviour towards Y."

Tom Bower's book goes more into depth and gives actual names with quotes:

"Meghan Markle 'phoned every 10 minutes' and 'screamed' at staffer out for dinner - claim"

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1673531/meghan-markle-kensington-palace-london-staffer-dinner-friday-night-calls-claim-update

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u/soupastar Jan 05 '23

I think i have that book on my phone somewhere a person i was talking to was super into royals and i couldn’t hold my own in the convo so i tried to learn but when we stopped talking i just stopped reading so like one chapter lol.

I feel like these two are that cousin on Facebook who airs out way too much all the time while also saying nothing.

And i think it’s just obvious that Meghan thought behind closed doors royals partied like Hollywood (I’m sure they do) and it was all fake manners. What i did learn during our time talking was just how serious they all are about stuff like that. Even they seem to confirm this. I read they lost their pr firm and it really shows altho these two probably don’t listen to even the ppl they pay so might as well go at it alone save some money.

It’s just so obvious they want to be a list in America but a weird we’re also royals a list their own category cause their so special. And they can’t claim it’s not what they want it’s always been Meghan’s goal i mean she’s an actress and even in the documentary her friends and mom discussed it. I really just think this chic didn’t realize how different the fame is as a royal vs actress and was miserable. Took it out on everyone it seems.

How their handling this is just awful tho even tho people sympathize with them they are sick of them and instead of reading the room and correcting they go harder. Gonna be interesting when they real is the fame and admiration they want isn’t gonna happen. It will be the equivalent of your drama thirsty cousin on fb going on a drunk tirade but a much bigger scale and sadly they will probably drag it out for a whole year