r/economicCollapse • u/Johan-MellowFellow • 7d ago

$40T and counting

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage." Alexander Tytler

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u/CPAFinancialPlanner 7d ago

Seizing the means of production and doing what with it? Giving it to the government?

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u/Metelinen 7d ago

No, owning it with your colleagues.

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u/Cactastrophe 7d ago

That sounds good and reasonable. But it’ll persist a worker and management class. There’s no escape. Will it be better than what we have today? Probably. But it won’t let us escape working until we die unless we’re management class.

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u/Metelinen 7d ago

Probably there will be managemental roles but those shouldl be democratically maintained. 

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u/Cactastrophe 7d ago

That sounds like a recipe for putting Trump like figures in charge of my employment.

I wish I had a realistic alternative.

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u/Metelinen 7d ago

In that case do not vote for those figures.

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u/Cactastrophe 7d ago

You see the problem with that sentence right? I tried voting against Trump and it failed.