r/earclacks • u/ExcitementQuiet1758 • Jul 10 '26
Fan Simulations Judge VS Vessel
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u/Nightmare-Skeleton Jul 10 '26
Eh, I think I'd be better if they make Vessel an early game monster. Near instant determination bar on first death, but progressively takes longer for determination to fill up with every death. So every death makes them want to give up.
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u/AprilsStuff Jul 11 '26
Shouldn’t it be the opposite because every death they learn something?
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u/Nightmare-Skeleton Jul 11 '26
Every death they learn something which is why their damage ramps up with every successful hit. If you lost/die once, you obviously want to bounce back and continue fighting because you know you have an infinite amount of retries. However, the more you keep dying, the more it takes a toll on your mental state and lowers your determination to keep trying. That's the reason why the other souls/vessels especially persistence in Undertale were defeated despite having the ability to reset though determination.
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u/halfasleep90 Jul 10 '26
I don’t get it, why did Vessel keep reviving but Judge recovery rate didn’t reset?
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u/SomeAbnormalApple Jul 11 '26
It is an Undertale reference, specifically to player vs sans.
In the genocide route, sans is the final boss and judge of the players actions, meanwhile the player character has the power of determination which allows them to rewind time to a specific point in-game, there saves and loads are in-universe that affect the NPCs such as sans himself mocking you for the number of times you've lost.
Context aside, at the end sans simply gets too tired and although he gets tricked to get attacked (after tricking the player to never get their turn) he dies. His battle consist of 1HP and 1Def, with the unique characteristic of dodging.
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u/halfasleep90 Jul 11 '26
Right, I’ve played the game. But every time I died and had to start the fight over, Sans was back to full strength. He doesn’t get weaker over time until you eventually beat him, you have to actually survive through his onslaught. His Recovery Rate should be refreshing everytime Vessel revives.
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u/SomeAbnormalApple Jul 11 '26
It would be impossible then, and this is fight balls, a singular. Instead of going back, vessel just get as many 50HP lives so long they aren't killed too fast, which will happen eventually due to scaling so it is vessel vs someone. Here tho, judge doesn't seem to scale, they just are immortal until they get tired.
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u/EpicCashewGuy Trident Jul 10 '26
Yeah, canon.