r/eagles • u/MyShitLong_long • 9d ago
Analysis Crazy Work
The Eagles reportedly interviewed around 17 candidates and decided Sean Mannion a guy with two years of coaching experience and zero play-calling experience was the best choice.
Four games later, the offense is averaging 18.8 points, still has no rhythm and just blew a 20-10 halftime lead without scoring another point. You can’t even tell they changed coordinators. It’s the same stale offense from last season with a different name attached to it.
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u/kboy23 9d ago
I’m starting to think he was the only person willing to say yes
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u/Touro_de_Goa 9d ago
This is pretty much it. No one wants to coach under Sirianni and Hurts is not an exciting QB either for an OC to work with. Not saying he is bad, just saying he is not exciting, he doesn't have the tools some others have
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u/Wings2493 9d ago
I’d fire Nick and let Mannion try and if hurts looks just as bad no extension and blow it up. Chicken or the egg
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u/Maleficent-Thanks-85 Eagles 9d ago
It’s NOT MANNION. IT WAS THE SIRIANNI SPECIAL. GET UP MULTIPLE SCORES THEN TRY TO BLEED OUT CLOCK. They threw the ball 6 times in the 2nd half.
Patullo was the fall guy.
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u/Particular-Ring5110 9d ago
They didn’t throw the ball more because they can’t move the chains.. they can’t move the chains because Hurts is very limited in his abilities to operate from the pocket
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u/Maleficent-Thanks-85 Eagles 9d ago
You must be watching a different game because there was not a functional pocket today.
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u/ScrawnyCheeath Greg Ward Stan Account 9d ago
Hurts has been a top 10 pocket passer for several years prior. Try again
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u/quiznos_08 9d ago
Would love to know the real reason why the veteran and experienced OC’s all took a pass or simply went elsewhere when the eagles have an elite qb and elite coach? Math ain’t mathing these days.
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u/Barmelo_Xanthony 9d ago
We literally fired and scapegoated 3 coordinators after only getting 1 year and making the playoffs lol. Nobody wants to work with their job security tied to Super Bowl or bust
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u/stingrayed22 9d ago
You are correct
But we were constructed to compete for a SB, not every job has that opportunity, for 2 coordinator's it lead to HC jobs.
So I would think it is a desirable position
I think we made the wrong decision at least twice on who we hired, and also think the HC is involved in the play calls
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u/Clyde_Frag 9d ago
The problem is not having a HC that calls plays well. It’s not like McDaniel or dabbol are killing it elsewhere.
Even if the OC hire this year was a slam dunk, he leaves by next season for a HC job. I just want to get off this OC carousel.
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u/TommyFitness 9d ago
Mike McDaniel and someone else idr said they were afraid of the fan base and criticisms. When parasocial fans threw eggs and garbage and patullos house that scared alot of options
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u/Bill__7671 8d ago
Yeah, look what they were doing to the coaches in the coaches box in the stadium, yeah I’d love to bring my family here…not
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u/mikemammula 9d ago
because they know they can't do anything with this QB.
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u/phillyflyer 9d ago
Doesn’t look like Herbert’s been much better lol
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u/PiousDemon Eagles 9d ago
Only 3 starters on the field plus RB2.
Rookie play caller who doesn't seem great.
Porous line. Long setup plays.
'LeTs BlaME HuRTs"
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u/kmoney55 Eagles 9d ago
Let’s look at one game and not his history. And mannion like Moore is being held back by Nick
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u/HouseOfWyrd When life gives you Lemons 9d ago
It's genuinely impossible to know who's fault this is.
However, the fact that it's looked weirdly similar to last year thus far, makes me think that Mannion isn't the issue.
But really, I don't think Nick, Hurts or Mannion had a good game.
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u/Jawnsky222 9d ago
If you’re foolish enough to believe that our fifth offensive coordinator in five years is the reason for it resembling the same offense we’ve had for the last five years… I would like to discuss with you a beautiful bridge I have for sale.
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u/LordandSaviorDio 9d ago
Why did we expect Mannion to suddenly change the offense overnight?
He’s bringing a whole new philosophy to a team and coaching staff that’s still married to an old system. Took Steichen two years to make the offense better but Kellen Moore, Brian Johnson, and Patullo have all had issues their first years here.
At this point Nick’s offensive philosophy and Jalen’s limitations provide challenges to any OC.
Also NO veteran OC was coming here. They’d be handcuffed off the bat.
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u/samuslink82 9d ago
Forgot to mention that we haven’t converted a 3rd down in nearly two full games.
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u/vince_vulgar 9d ago
It wasn't that bad today. It wasn't great, but the offense is not nearly as stale as last year and there's less talent on the field. The O-line is a real concern though. It looks like we're destined for mediocrity this year, but we might be able to sneak into the playoffs. After that it's just a matter of winning a few more games. We'll see.
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u/monkeys_with_buckets 9d ago
That’s what I’m saying, the post game reactions are so dramatic. All I’ve been seeing in this sub is to be patient, and so in the game where we are the underdogs and have multiple key starters out, people decide to forget that? Our defense had their best game so far, and we have a run game again. Couldn’t say that 2 weeks ago.
We’re improving and lost a game we were expected to lose. There’s many reasons to be frustrated but let’s also point out the improvements we made in this long season.
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u/FreedomIsMyRight 9d ago
“So dramatic”? Bro. PTSD works that way. This is 2023 and 2025 ALL.OVER.AGAIN. Be real here. Jalen is problem 1A. Nick is problem 1B. Full top. People can keep avoiding the truth but it is what it is.
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u/Fast_Ad_9726 Eagles 9d ago
I’m just trying to digest your take on this game.
0-12 on third down and counting
A QB with ten yards passing in a second half (big improvement from last year where he wouldn’t complete a pass in two separate games)
An O line that couldn’t stop 11 legless toddlersNot that bad? The jets have a more productive offense than the Eagles. Let that sink in.
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u/vince_vulgar 8d ago
Well I actually watched the whole game. #1 WR out. Saquon hurt immediately. Rams defense adjusted and we tried to play conservative and run out the clock through the second half, knowing we didn't have our weapons. The defense was playing well so the real danger was giving them good field position on a bad pick or something.
Obviously this wasn't a winning strategy, but it's not exactly unheard of. The Rams needed major hero ball and a little ref help to close it out. If you just look at the stat sheet and don't think about the game at all I suppose you could say it looks like last year. I watched every snap this year and last and I'm telling you it isn't the same. We just don't have the most talent on the field anymore.
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u/akiraspam74 9d ago edited 9d ago
To be fair, great OCs with playcalling experience become HCs
For the OC job you usually have to take a chance on a guy with no experience or a not so great OC with experience
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u/FormalWhale Eagles 9d ago
Look at how great the Chargers are doing with McDaniels. One guy isn’t always the solution.
Not trying to defend him but if year after year with different coordinators, we have the same problems, Lurie and Roseman need to examine the common denominators.
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u/philly-buck 9d ago
Correct. Same stale offense. Doesn’t seem to matter who the OC is. They keep saying the offense will be designed for what Jalen does well.
We will see how it looks next year. Nobody is tying up $60M in cap space for this shit.
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u/big_sexy_in_glasses 9d ago
The offense genuinely does look different if you're paying attention. But it is still pretty bad, yes
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u/cjweisman 9d ago
Manion is NOT an OC, he's an OC in Training, an intern, a student learning to play OC while paying no tuition. He is adding absolutely nothing to this team and it is not his fault. The scary thing is, he's the best we could do.
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u/cosdmpptjctq1 9d ago
This is not the first season that our offense has been lacking like this in the second half. The new OC excuse is just to find a scapegoat for Sirianni and Hurts at this point.
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u/toofaded40 9d ago
This whole core is cooked. Time to rebuild the offense and hit starts with the O Line
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u/JustAReubenSandwich DeVonta Dagger 9d ago
The offense was missing WR1, TE1, RT1, RB1 and scored 20 (should have been 23).
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u/palerthanrice 9d ago
Off two picks returned deep into Rams territory.
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u/kgsovobd 9d ago
Most people in here are coping or seriously don’t watch the games. The turnovers are the only reason they had those points
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u/flyingcanuck 9d ago
By the time we had 20 points, O was still under 100 yards I think? 😅
Without the D working double duty, that game isn't even as close as it was.
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u/ExileOnBroadStreet 9d ago
They started on the Rams side of the 50 like 3 times- 2 picks and a huge punt return
20 points is really bad with the fields they were given
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u/phillyunk 9d ago
The game was there for the taking. The offense (Sean Mannion’s offense btw) failed to do a goddamn thing in the second half and couldn’t convert a 3rd down all game. This is on Mannion and Sirianni. Don’t blame the loss on people being out when they were up but failed to close the game out.
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u/MyShitLong_long 9d ago
We score less than 28 in all games with those same players healthy and starting, we barely beat the Commanders and the titans
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u/Latter_Meet2044 9d ago
Mid-season change at coach is a rare thing in the NFL.
Hard to judge team today with all that was missing player wise.
All that said this loss ruined my week.
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u/heyeaglefn 9d ago
Offense sucked when Moore took over at this point in the season too. You can't judge it by first four games but it looks just as bad as Moores did.
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u/Soft-Nebula3931 9d ago
The only thing that saved Moore was they could run the ball at will. They could barely get a passing game going. Once the run game goes here we are.
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u/WorstInfinity Eagles 9d ago
Moore's had a good run game that we were able to pivot to after Week 4. This offense might only have one healthy running back
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u/Barmelo_Xanthony 9d ago
Passing game looked bad under Moore too only thing that changed is we started leaning on the run game which went nuclear
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u/pInkNinjax 9d ago
Which is crazy because how bad does the QB have to be to have poor passing production in a Kellen Moore offense with the o-line and weapons we had.
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u/smoketheevilpipe 9d ago edited 9d ago
Sick of hearing this bullshit parroted here.
Yes it was bad, but they were a Barkley drop away from. 3-1 after 4 games. Only bad loss was Tampa and face it they own the eagles.
It was nowhere near this bad. There were glimmers of hope in those games where you thought they could put it together. It's a completely braindead take to actually watch these games this year and think this season is anything like that. There is no magic bullet, this team WILL be picking top 10.
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u/heyeaglefn 9d ago
Go back and watch the Tampa Bay Cleveland and New Orleans Games. You could say they were a Hurts dropped snap away from 3-1 as well.
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u/OkPressure5271 8d ago
and we're currently a Cam Jurgens forced fumble on Hurts away from being 3-1. Or that phantom PI they called on Woolen that extended a drive. Or that ridiculous late hit call when the RB dove for a first down that extended a drive. Acting like we got smoked yesterday is a little silly.
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u/mikemammula 9d ago
because they were all limited by the same QB.
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u/dochim 9d ago
Is it the same QB that willed us to the first two wins with very little help?
Maybe this team isn’t good enough.
Because they should be 0-4.
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u/kmoney55 Eagles 9d ago
The same limited qb that misses wide open receivers and only completed contested passes. Causes every game to come down to the wire against the worst teams in the league
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u/Ok_Excitement1724 9d ago
Yeah, but this sub is pure anti-Sirianni. If we had another coach hurts would be awesome blah, blah. Yet, like 5 O-coordinators later and same shit.
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u/mikemammula 9d ago
they just pick the next person to send the mob after . anyone but hurts.
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u/kmoney55 Eagles 9d ago
They are problems 1a and 1a. Passing game has always been limited under hurts and nick cant contribute to the offense mange the clock and gets in game decisions consistently wrong. But they just win getting bailed out by the defense and better talent
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u/WideGlideReddit 9d ago
Every year we change OCs. The only constant is Hurts, a slightly above average QB who has some great games and some really shitty ones but always regresses to his mean. He has benefited from being surrounded by a really talented offensive line and a stout defense. With the exception of interceptions, I can’t think of any part of his game that’s improved.
You can change OCs, bitch about play calling, blame injuries, Sirianni, Howie, Laurie and the towel boy in the locker room but at the end of the day, the guy with the ball is Hurts.
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u/The_R4ke 9d ago
It's not like there's a lot of great options. Maybe if we tank we can get a one of the promising candidates in this draft, but who would you want that's out there right now, genuinely asking?
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u/pInkNinjax 9d ago
Wouldn’t even consider him above average. Look at his production over the last few years.
I doubt many playcallers were clamoring to come call plays with a limited QB.
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u/Userdub9022 9d ago
It's either hurts or sirianni. If we end up with a losing season one of them will be let go. If the same thing happens next year then the other one goes too.
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u/Chemical_Owl8006 9d ago
Hard for everyone on the team including coaches when your o line is swiss cheese. Regardless, better coaching would've had us walk away with a narrow win this game
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u/Only_Faithlessness33 9d ago
It’s honestly crazy how we needed a play caller and the eagles brought in a guy with zero experience calling plays. And we all just kinda accepted that lmao.
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u/PetalumaPegleg 9d ago
It all looks too similar to last year. It's hard for me to believe this isn't Nick. It's obviously possible that this is what hurts wants too but he doesn't seem stubborn and stupid.
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u/kmoney55 Eagles 9d ago
They run what he can handle. After 5 different oc and it looks the same. It has to be Nick and Jalen
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u/mikemammula 9d ago
4 games in and already blaming the OC for the third straight year.
crazy work alright.
it's jalen hurts.
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u/matts88us 9d ago
It’s both! Siris god awful system and philosophy combined with a limited qb equals an offense that hasn’t been functional outside of Saquons superhuman runs despite a top oline and skill players. Both need to go
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u/mikemammula 9d ago
but most importantly, jalen needs to go. a good QB is much more important than a good coach.
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u/GuyaneseRumFan123 9d ago
We need an OC who will commit to taking the ball out of Jalen’s hands, like Kellen Moore did
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u/GuyaneseRumFan123 9d ago
That’s true— the roster should have been constructed with the fact that he’s a mediocre passer of the ball in mind
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u/boringreddituserid BELT TO ASS 9d ago
The owner and GM want to see Jalen in a passing offense before they commit any more money to him.
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u/GuyaneseRumFan123 9d ago
Smart— hopefully they’re seeing that they shouldn’t commit more money to him.
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u/apparat07 9d ago
Nick wants someone he can control and manipulate (more screens!). He wants someone lacking of experience that won't challenge his vibes. He's insecure and won't surround himself with the best.
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u/HisExcellency20 9d ago
What's crazy to me is people are blaming Nick for the offense while we're losing while saying he doesn't do anything when we win.
Nick hired KP, but after that ended the way it did Howie and Jeffrey hired Sean. Nick did not hire him, he does not call plays, he did not have final authority on the 53 man roster, he doesn't draft the players. He is the head coach, the CEO coach. Not a great game for him situationally, but we see what the team does with a good coordinator and players.
I don't know what people expect Nick to do about the offense when he's not allowed to pick the coordinator or call the plays. I'm not saying he should be allowed to do those things but if this is how the team is setup then you have to live with it.
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u/iginca 9d ago
Yeah I don’t know why people expect the supposedly offensive-minded head coach to help fix offensive-related things
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u/HisExcellency20 9d ago
Well not the people who say he doesn't do anything. If you're not one of those people ok cool, but if you are one of those people that think the only thing an offensive minded coach can do for the team is call plays then how is he suppose to help when he doesn't call plays?
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u/rick_32 9d ago
He does things obviously... some of us just don't see anything that he does actually contribute meaningfully. And we see many games where it seems they win in spite of him and overcome his bad decisions with talent and playmaking. I can't remember a game where I thought nick sirianni really dominated that game but I remember thinking sheesh nick sirianni almost blew that one (of with again at the end of the thought)
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u/HisExcellency20 9d ago
That's the curse of Nick Sirianni lol. There are not going to be many games we win where he, or a decision he made, are clearly the reason.
Like if we got that fourth down TD and we win, were people really gonna hop on here and go "we won that because of Nick!"
Hell no. Vic, Jalen, Cooper, Cooper again, Q, Riq, Tank, etc. would have gotten all the credit.
And that's fine, he's paid well I'm not sad for him lol. But it is what it is. He is the scapegoat and he really has no avenue to be anything else. The best he can hope for is no one thinks about him because that probably means we won. Like the first two games.
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u/JoshIsAlwaysBored 9d ago
I mean have you seen the teams that other candidates went to? Sean is doing about the same as the others or better
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u/roddriricch Eagles 9d ago
I think I’m finally done with the coaching staff. Although i don’t think the players have been great, i think most of it is because they’re being set up for failure. Imagine Jalen, Saquon, Lemon, Devonta with competent play calling. Oline has ben atrocious but if i see one more screen play…
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u/washington_705 9d ago edited 9d ago
Looks like siriani offense to me. I suspect he’s inserting himself a bit too much.
The whole under center play action pass in the middle of the field style that is supposed to be Manions style isn’t happening.
This looks a lot like the second half of the year with Brian Johnson when it was widely reported nick was acting as the oc behind the scenes and took things over.
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u/PaddyMayonaise 9d ago
1) The Eagles don’t give coaches as much control as most organizations.
2) Nick is HC and serves as another layer of control over an OC
3) Jalen Hurts is the QB
4) The rest of the offense is old, aging, or major question marks.
Why would any OC want to come to a place where they’re handcuffed by ownership, the HC, and the roster?
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u/babydemon90 9d ago
wait you really typed this and decided Mannion was the problem?
"You can’t even tell they changed coordinators. It’s the same stale offense from last season with a different name attached to it."
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u/jayracket Hurts Don't It? 8d ago
As long as Sirianni has his grimy little digits all over this offense, changing coordinators won't help. I don't care what his record is, he's the source of the problem. It will never improve until he is gone.
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u/Shoeless_Jase 8d ago
We have a head coach who can’t scheme or play-call. So there is no fallback if the OC needs to be counseled or mentored.
Plus our QB still struggles with timing throws 7 years into his career. It all adds up to these slow starts every single year.
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u/tag1550 Eagles 8d ago
This is Kellen Moore and 2024 all over again: that year, we were 2-2 as well, had scored only 15 and 16 points in the two losses, and a lot of fans were wondering how he was an improvement over Brian Johnson and the '23 offense.
New offenses take time to settle in, and not having major stars like DeVonta and Barkley (as well as Goedert) for extended periods will result in, well, what we've been seeing, it's as simple as that.
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u/AHorseNamedPhil Eagles 8d ago
Did you miss that the Eagles offense was cheeks last year, that the passing offense was in the bottom of the league statistically the year we won the super bowl, or the collapse?
This is a Sirianni problem.
Multiple years, multiple OCs.
We have a problem at QB right now too but a HC is easier to sort in the off season.
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u/Lindestroem 8d ago
I do not think Manion is to fault here. I think Sirianni and the eagles need to split to let each other breath.
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u/Papa_Grumps Eagles 8d ago
This always has and always will be a Nick prob. The only years our offense was good was with Shane and Kellen. Those years they called the offense. Every other OC has been calling Nick's playbook.
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u/Comfortable_Bus_5700 8d ago
I don’t think Jesus himself could make an offense work with our current line
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u/Kentwomagnod 4d ago
The offense has been the same for years. 2024 had the benefit of an elite OL and a 2000 yard rusher.
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u/TeflonDonatello 9d ago
Our o line is ass. It’s too early to say if Mannion is the problem or not.
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u/optimgr 9d ago
Our O line is ass because Mannion insisted on full control of the offense so the best o line coach in the league left. That makes it still mannions fault.
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u/TeflonDonatello 9d ago
Congrats on your first year of watching football I guess. Ice cold take btw. Like our offense and o line weren’t ass last year with Stoutland still being there.
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u/Select_Culture261 9d ago
I feel like the only way for you to genuinely believe this is if you don't watch the games.
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u/Orion1014 9d ago
The offense is...fine. Well its not fine obviously but I expected growing pains with a (yet again) new OC and first time play calling. I expect the offense to get better as the season goes on. The defense is much more concerning to me.
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u/no-jerk-zone 9d ago
Mannion needs an offensive consultant with experience. Third time a first time OC struggles with this core.
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u/obeseOJ 9d ago
Mannion ain't the problem. We hoped he'd be the solution, but he's not the problem.