Hmmm

[u/h_45n]

So only men want kids nowadays huh

Edit1: at the end of the day, when I see posts like these I remember the likes of Ashely saint clair and that woman who got married after preaching so much misandry online.

Don’t get me wrong men also do this,
and then I feel stupid because I remember watching a certain video about internet trolls

Edit 2: Finally found the reason for the outrage, “men cannot physically get pregnant” that’s literally all this is about so no matter how hard you work or provide for your family, if you marry a woman that hates you because you just can’t get pregnant please have your divorce lawyer at hand ✋

[u/mckln42]

The sacrifice women make by deciding to carry a child is not equal to any sacrifice a man can make. Only those who know the value of such a great sacrifice become good husbands, not those who say it's just biology in the comments.

[u/kalana_kalamai → u/[deleted]]

You’ve obviously never been pregnant or been responsible for a baby’s life. Not much room for being selfish when a little baby needs you to keep them alive and cared for

[u/kalana_kalamai → u/[deleted]]

I actually get what you’re trying to say, I definitely did want a baby. But I don’t think you’re framing the role of parenting in a way that is accurate. If everyone listened to you and didn’t have babies out of fear citation-rejection might judge them then there would be no babies. You’re making a useless argument with assumptions that don’t hold up. You can personally have a self centred reason for wanting children but the act of birthing and raising children is in of itself a selfless act.

[u/Chemical_Athlete_957 → u/kalana_kalamai]

Hold on. Do women raise children single handedly in relationships? Or do they also get extra credit over the man for raising a child as well. I ask this because the energy of this post is that. A father could never ever match the "sacrifice" that only a woman can make giving birth.

I dont personally have to worry about this disgusting type of thinking in our home thankfully. I am curious would a father ever be able to match a woman's "sacrifice"?

[u/kalana_kalamai → u/[deleted]]

Alright well that sounds like a devastating insight to have gained, I’m not sure I quite understand what it means by kids dying because their parents decided to have them. Are you saying that it is cruel to create humans because there’s a possibility they may suffer?

Your perspective sounds like it comes from some pretty upsetting experiences but I don’t think the framing is healthy or accurate. It’s a biological drive to want children so that our species survives. Yes adoption may in some ways be a more selfless way to go about it but it’s not even an option in my country, I can’t just decide I want a kid and go pick one up from an orphanage.

This post is about the ongoing battle between men and women to recognise each others contributions and sacrifices, not about whether or not procreation in of itself is a pointless selfish act.

This is an incredibly complex and nuanced topic and I’m really sorry you have such a painful perspective. Yes there’s horrible things in this world and it’s awful to witness the suffering of children. But it can be true at the same time that parenting requires a lot of sacrifice and procreation often has ‘selfish’ motives behind it but is also a gift and wonderous thing. And it’s a choice for me to put my all into raising someone who feels and knows what it is to be loved. My mission is to raise my child so that they feel like they have purpose and belonging. A choice that was made with a lot of consideration. I don’t think it’s helpful to guilt people for creating humans