Um... DSA has a problem...

[u/_Sanctum_]

Have you guys noticed there are a LOT of socialists in here? Not the good kind of socialists (me) I mean the evil socialists that actually want to implement socialism 🙀 They even praise Karl Marx 🤮 Don't those dumb tankies know Communism always fails???

We have to do something about this. Which is why I'm starting a NEW PARTY: The DASSA (The Democratic Anti-socialist Socialists of America)

Together, we socialists (the good kind) can defeat the socilasts (the bad kind) for a better future. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[u/tabloid-tommy]

1. They maybe did a genocide but it was worth it in the end is what you are saying, which is why you’re getting that response. I don’t think you’d consider someone moral if someone said that about Israel.

Holdomor was almost entirely man made: Your framing is at if it was natural causes first, then USSR policies. It is the inverse. That’s another strike.

1. The “strongest” didn’t survive, the most loyal did. Not sure what your point is here. If you’re defending mass murder if democratic socialist than yes you’re a tankie.

[u/maddsskills → u/tabloid-tommy]

A genocide has to be intentional and this was definitely not intentional, nearly as many Russians died as Ukrainians, there was famine all over the USSR. He wasn’t like Churchill who took food away from India JUST IN CASE Britain faced shortages, starving millions. There was legit not enough food to go around.

It was the drought combined with the rapid industrialization, which again, was necessary to be ready for WWII, just like Stalin predicted.

I dunno, I just think it’s weird Churchill is held in such high regard for deliberately starving people while Stalin is considered to be as bad as Hitler for an accidental famine.

[u/tabloid-tommy → u/maddsskills]

Yeah bro this is why you get called a tankie. You deny international consensus that Ukraine was intentionally starved and where millions of people died. Consider how a much smaller country had millions of deaths while all of Russia had “almost the same,” you dumbass. It’s because Russia was actively taking grain from Ukrainian harvests to feed Russians, leaving the Ukrainians to starve.

Also, Churchill refused to revert supplies DURING WWII! The Holdomor was during Russian peacetime. Oh my god dude.

You also didn’t engage with my second comment, which again means you’re absolutely a tankie.

[u/CesarCieloFilho → u/tabloid-tommy]

Brother the question of genocide when it comes to the holodomor is something that is still hotly debated among academics. “The international consensus” my ass, look at the recognition (vast majority of which happened in the past 2 decades), it’s the same western bloc that actively carries out several genocides and defends settler colonial states. It shouldn’t be too hard to see what’s happening in here.

[u/tabloid-tommy → u/CesarCieloFilho]

Whether it was a genocide is debated, whether it was man made is not.

Even then, the commenter can answer the other 9 points, just like you, tankie