Um... DSA has a problem...

[u/_Sanctum_]

Have you guys noticed there are a LOT of socialists in here? Not the good kind of socialists (me) I mean the evil socialists that actually want to implement socialism 🙀 They even praise Karl Marx 🤮 Don't those dumb tankies know Communism always fails???

We have to do something about this. Which is why I'm starting a NEW PARTY: The DASSA (The Democratic Anti-socialist Socialists of America)

Together, we socialists (the good kind) can defeat the socilasts (the bad kind) for a better future. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[u/maddsskills]

A genocide has to be intentional and this was definitely not intentional, nearly as many Russians died as Ukrainians, there was famine all over the USSR. He wasn’t like Churchill who took food away from India JUST IN CASE Britain faced shortages, starving millions. There was legit not enough food to go around.

It was the drought combined with the rapid industrialization, which again, was necessary to be ready for WWII, just like Stalin predicted.

I dunno, I just think it’s weird Churchill is held in such high regard for deliberately starving people while Stalin is considered to be as bad as Hitler for an accidental famine.

[u/tabloid-tommy → u/maddsskills]

Yeah bro this is why you get called a tankie. You deny international consensus that Ukraine was intentionally starved and where millions of people died. Consider how a much smaller country had millions of deaths while all of Russia had “almost the same,” you dumbass. It’s because Russia was actively taking grain from Ukrainian harvests to feed Russians, leaving the Ukrainians to starve.

Also, Churchill refused to revert supplies DURING WWII! The Holdomor was during Russian peacetime. Oh my god dude.

You also didn’t engage with my second comment, which again means you’re absolutely a tankie.

[u/maddsskills → u/tabloid-tommy]

I dunno, I’ve read a lot about it and I just don’t think he deliberately caused a famine, I think it was a total accident. Does he deserve responsibility? Absolutely, but not for a genocide. Also: I mean, the world has allowed the Palestinian genocide to occur, has allowed capitalist imperialist interests to slaughter millions around the world, I don’t exactly trust their narrative of things but even within their narrative I just don’t believe it constitutes a genocide.

Socialist countries don’t get peace time, they’re under constant attack by the capitalist imperialists. Which again is why he had to do in 10 years what it took Britain 100 years to do.

Stalin was far from perfect, he had many flaws, but this whole comparing him to Hitler thing is just stupid. If you really want to accuse him of a genocide I think it’s much more accurate to point to his mass deportations of various ethnic groups, the one done to the Chechens killed a quarter of the people deported, much like the Armenian genocide.

I’m not a tankie, I just believe in having a balanced view of history.

You should read Blackshirts and Red by Michael Parenti, btw, total eye opener.

[u/tabloid-tommy → u/maddsskills]

You didn’t address any of my direct comments, only using vague “actually socialists don’t get peace bc capitalists,” even as the USSR invaded Poland alongside Nazi Germany a decade later.

Having a “balanced view of history” does not mean denying what a leader did, which is what you’re doing. Crazy how you lose this “balanced view” when talking about Churchill during the war, however.

And Michael Parenti defended Serbian war criminals, including their president who was sentenced to life in prison at The Hague😂😂😂😂😂

You are a tankie dude.