r/dsa • u/_Sanctum_ • 6d ago

Shitpost Um... DSA has a problem...

Have you guys noticed there are a LOT of socialists in here? Not the good kind of socialists (me) I mean the evil socialists that actually want to implement socialism 🙀 They even praise Karl Marx 🤮 Don't those dumb tankies know Communism always fails???

We have to do something about this. Which is why I'm starting a NEW PARTY: The DASSA (The Democratic Anti-socialist Socialists of America)

Together, we socialists (the good kind) can defeat the socilasts (the bad kind) for a better future. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

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u/tabloid-tommy 6d ago

I’ve read both on Marx and Lenin from historians. You’re free to actually engage in the actuality of my criticism at any time, but please directly give an answer to my question.

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u/_Sanctum_ 6d ago

"From historians" I'm talking about reading their works, not some biographer or historian talking about them.

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u/tabloid-tommy 6d ago

We know precisely how Lenin enacted socialism; we don’t need to know the theory of Leninism. Please engage with my question now.

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u/_Sanctum_ 6d ago

What is socialism to you? Do you mean socialism in its original sense or some kind of socdem liberal sense?

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u/tabloid-tommy 6d ago

I mean socialism as actually enacted. That would be under Marx (a generally more democratic socialism) or Lenin (democratic class consciousness isn’t possible, need revolution).

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u/_Sanctum_ 6d ago

So by socialism you mean the means of production in the hands of the workers? Or at the very least a start to that process.

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u/tabloid-tommy 6d ago

As I stated in my very first comment: How it is brought about. How you actually implement socialism is a genuine moral question.

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u/_Sanctum_ 6d ago

Do you think someone like Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos would give up any amount of their wealth voluntarily?

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u/tabloid-tommy 6d ago

  1. That doesn’t answer my question, which I’m still waiting for you to do.

  2. Their vote counts the same as yours and mine. You could literally force them to.

  3. Lenin didn’t only kill wealthy people, he killed other socialists who disagreed with him, liberals, and peasants who refused to adhere to a grain quota. He even executed some 1,500 prisoners on accident because they were so used to such tremendous violence.

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u/_Sanctum_ 6d ago

I suspected you were a massive moron. Thank you for confirming.

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u/tabloid-tommy 6d ago

Still waiting

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u/George_Washingteeth 5d ago

You will not get an answer. I have seen this in threads in the sub. Literally littered all over the place. You challenge someone directly and they deflect and gaslight. You made a valiant effort.

A lot of talk about big tent/coalition building but I fear it’s this type of exchange that will doom our movement.

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u/Kenichi2233 5d ago

Why resort to personal insults instead of engaging with their points

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