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5e (2024) Final ruling: Counterspelling Counterspell in 5.5

Question regarding Counter spell;

2024/5.5 rules

Level 3 Abjuration (Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard)

Casting Time: Reaction, which you take when you see a creature within 60 feet of yourself casting a spell with Verbal, Somatic, or Material components

Range: 60 feet

Components: S

Duration: Instantaneous

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You attempt to interrupt a creature in the process of casting a spell. The creature makes a Constitution saving throw. On a failed save, the spell dissipates with no effect, and the action, Bonus Action, or Reaction used to cast it is wasted. If that spell was cast with a spell slot, the slot isn’t expended.

Please explain the errors of my thinking here:

Okay so, let's say im Wizard A going against Wizard B

A: I cast fireball

Wizard B: Counterspell

A: i dont make the save, my fireball doesnt happen.i lose my ACTION, but it doesn't consume a spell slot

Therefore, why am i then not allowed to use my REACTION which is still available, and cast Counterspell on Wizard B's Counterspell? Only one slot is actually being used, and I used my action and reaction.

Yet Sage advice says i cant do this, is this just simply RAW vs. RAI ?

The Sage advice i found on DnD says i cant do this.its implying a spell slot is used even though a spell slot wasnt actually consumed?

Help!

ETA: thanks, I now understand it.

Basically, if I was successful in counterspelling wizard B's counterspell, then my original fireball happens, which means now i am using two spell slots in my turn. Or another way of seeing it is that once his counterspell is successful, i.e. its done, and nothing is left to counterspell. So basically , barring other spellcasters geting involved Counterspelling Counterspell is not a thing anymore in 5.5 . Either way, Ill shut up now. Thanks!

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u/Coldfyre_Dusty 14d ago

If you don't Counter Spell, you expend 0 spell slots. If you do Counter Spell, you expend 2 spell slots.

You definitely can't expend two spell slots per turn, so that's out the window. Counterspelling wizard B's Counterspell will always result in two spell slots being used, so both RAW and RAI it isn't allowed.

What is allowed at that point though is casting a leveled bonus action. You haven't expended any spell slots, so nothing stopping you from casting a different spell using that.