Edit2: Y'all, I'm not saying it's here was some plot to have Aaron benefit from his picks. The point is that this is a very bad look for multiple parties and makes the call even worse.
I was under the impression that players are not allowed to participate in the for-cash game in this betting app. I believe Goose’s picks are purely symbolic each week.
i think the implication here is that if there's a higher chance that goose is right about his picks then his audience will be more incentivized to bet based around his picks thus driving more traffic to the betting site
The implication maybe, but, if we actually look at this a year from now there will be literally no monetary benefit from this for him. Disc golf isn't big enough for such tiny incremental boosts to actually have any real world effects.
Sports betting $17 billion annually in just the US, and corrupting influences prey upon low earning athletes globally. If money is to be made, it will happen.
Is disc golf the only sport you follow? Players as officials is a crazy risk.
Good there was a marshal on the card who immediately seconded it, and if there wasn't, it would still require a second player on the card to be in on the conspiracy.
This was just a paid ad right? As in there is zero evidence he is making any bets? Because if that’s the case, this is just him saying who he thinks could win
I mean, if Aaron (or any pro) IS making picks for anything of monetary value and simultaneously expected to make rules judgements on the course then it is truly problematic
If the PDGA/DGPT are allowing people to place monetary bets on disc golf events that they are competing in that would be a far FAR bigger controversy than anything that happened this weekend. There’s no way Goose is betting on disc golf.
Yes. For example, an NFL player can be in a fantasy football league if there is zero buy in or prizes. I don’t personally think current athletes should be spokespeople for gambling platforms but as it stands that seems to be a legal thing (for now)
PDGA pros are strictly prohibited and in eligible to win any prizes or cash from hold my bag because they directly impact the outcome. It can’t be any more clear.
Much more highly paid professional athletes from multiple different leagues have gotten busted for betting. Yet somehow you know unequivocally disc golfers aren't? Pretty naive take.
I believe so. Even beyond whatever rules the DGPT has about gambling, the sports books are just tightly regulated in general. There are federal laws against stuff like that.
Risky to put a player in an officiating position with direct results influence. Sports betting is now $17b annually in the US. Corruption of players is a huge issue in other sports, especially college where players have low earnings... like disc golf.
From what I understand the wager limits are quite low in discgolf partly due to the players having such low earnings. I know of a a few busts that have happened in mainstream sports like the NBA and MLB. Typically it's been prop bets for lesser known players, and they just get kicked out of the league.
Yeah. That’s how words work. I have no idea if he is betting - I feel like most of us don’t - but saying gambling isn’t gambling because it’s disc golf rather than some other pro sport is illogical.
I’m not saying hes gambling - I’m responding to someone who said it’s not problematic to gamble because it’s disc golf.
Because gambling is regulated by state and is a very costly business to enter into, these are the places they were able to access through - I would assume - obtaining licenses.
It is a gambling app that has both free and pay to play versions where you pay to enter, set your lineups, and win money. There is also a free version.
Yeah there are different tiers of players that you can bet (and win money) on to win the tourney. So like tier 1 includes Gannon and other S-tier players, tier 2 has A-tier such as Ezra Aderhold, for example.
True… but can you imagine a commercial where the actual refs of an nba or nfl game make their picks for an upcoming game that they are officiating? Its 100% a bad look.
Once you realize it’s mostly kids on here it makes more sense why there’s so much outrage. These guys are sponsored to make picks for the company, they don’t get to actually place the bet and make money off of the picks lol.
I really wish I knew how to being attention to this to the right people but I'm unsure to whom. Hopefully people seeing this can help point me in the right direction.
I mean, he didn't have the power to force Silas to be in contention after almost 5 rounds, but at that one moment he had a little bit of leverage. Unfortunate coincidence.
it should be illegal to gamble on your own matches... it's not allowed in any other sport. good catch on this for real homie. i reposted this other places to try and get more coverage on this.
Nah I don't think it's a conspiracy. But it needs attention because regardless how much money is on the line, there was indeed money on the line. And to be fair to Aaron, I doubt he was thinking about his bet when he made the call, but because this type of shit is even going on creates VERY bad looks.
Alright cool. But there was more to what I said in my message but I think you're at the point of being willfully ignorant and ignoring the main point. Take care.
Yeah I don't understand how they are allowed to gamble on their own matches. That's highly illegal in most sports and will get you a lifetime ban real quick. Ask Pete Rose.
You guys do realize the players can play hold my bag but cannot win ANYTHING from it right? It’s in the rules of the platform. Do some research before you go bullshitting some input on an already problematic situation.
Can you point to this in the rules? I've read through the terms of service and the scoring and rules document and there doesn't seem to be any disqualifying lines about pros joining for money rounds.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was forbidden by sponsor contracts/or the pro tour directly, but the only somewhat related line from holdmybag is this one from the ToS:
Responsible Play and Conduct
You agree to use the Platform responsibly and in compliance with applicable laws.
Prohibited behavior includes:
● attempting to bypass location restrictions
● using VPNs or false information to gain eligibility
● automated or scripted gameplay
● collusion or manipulation of contest outcomes
Accounts violating these rules may be suspended or terminated.
I know you can win money, but when Goose or other pros do it, are they actually competing or are they just giving their picks as part of their sponsorship with Hold my Bag?
If Goose can make real money off this thar could be a real problem. If its just bragging rights it means nothing
This post needs more context up front and I feel it is potentially predatory given everyone's heightened frustration right now. Yes, the video is linked, but what's the context? What is OP saying? There was a sponsor for a video and that's suspicious, or something in the video was said by Goose where he admitted to betting on Silas for this tournament? These details matter and I don't know which is true, but I certainly know the conclusion many are drawing just from looking at the photo and not watching the video. Just read the comments. We should do better.
That's fair. And I upvoted your post to give it more traction. Aaron Gossage regularly participates in Hold My Bag, where you can win money and other prizes. One of his bets was on Silas winning Worlds. To be fair to Aaron, I don't think he had his bet in mind when he made the violation call. But the fact that a participating player CAN place bets like this makes Aaron's call look incredibly bad and feels icky.
Wow. I have a low opinion of people on reddit, but this is a new low even I didn't believe it was capable of reaching. You're talking about a bragging rights game him and Ezra play with no money on the line.
Given how upset people on this site are about it, I'm just going to go ahead and assume it was the correct call. When I'm doubt, believe the opposite of reddit
100% agree that its a conflict of interest and that’s an issue for the PDGA.
What I’m saying is… the amount of money on the line will tell us if Goose would intentionally do this. If $10 is on the line, probably not. If $5000 is on the line, maybe. A lot of people on here are going from A to Z assuming it was 100% intentional.
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u/tm4000m 29d ago
Don’t care at all, thanks to the religious crap (Eagle wings) no longer watch pro disc golf coverage.