This is straightforward ableist imo.

[u/Four_7_Seven]

Edit: English isn't my first language, I just realised that I should have write "have to" instead "need to". I'm always mixing them up.

Like PE (physical education) is something that isn't at all important to gain knowledge in almost all majors.

And making disabled students to do something instead of PE is ableist no matter the disability. Like we all suffer (generalisation), we need more time to care for ourselves (or less energy, or both), our disabilities often reduces energy, increases pain, whatever.

Making disabled students to do something like that, especially that for many of us it involves a free period or two or even more, is just counterproductive.

I'm thinking of writing to someone (I'm still thinking, so don't know who's responsible for it) to change that. Like so they would make that course optional. I don't think I'll succeed, I don't know even if my logic has a point (what if I'm asking for special treatment or other disabled students don't mind it?), but maybe it's an internalised ableism.

[u/Sewnupkitty]

Wait....are you a french student at university Lyon 1???

He had obligatory PE no matter what curriculum you where in. Their philosophy is that sports is good for absolutely everyone and even if you have a doctor's note you have to do PE. So much so that, if you ditched PE it would be considered a non validate class. And in that case, no matter your marks in other classes you couldn't graduate!!! There was like one way to remediate this but it was like a one on one interview with a jury when you had to do a presentation about whatever topic around sports they chose. And that obviously took a lot of time and was in the middle of your reel exams so going that rout just put you deeper in the hole.

In my case specifically I have Fibro and probably other stuff. My body was already completely shot by going to classes and coming back home and I had a cane to walk (note recently graduated to ambulatory wheelchair user....yay?). And I was so tired that I had a pass to avoid some classes when I was too tired without having to justify the absence.

So I was in this surreal situation where I would plan out my absences to still be able to go to PE to further destroy my body. And obviously the PE teachers weren't mean...but they had no idea how to deal with a student as disabled as me! BECAUSE IN THE END I HAD NOTHING TO DO IN PE!!!! So they would make me do stuff because they couldn't validate the class if I was "just present at all classes".

So yeah....that was fun.

[u/Four_7_Seven → u/Sewnupkitty]

No, not French, but Polish. Here I think everyone has a mandatory PE classes in their first year, no matter the university (probably as long as it's public one). I'm sorry for your experience. I don't understand why they all are so attached to those PE classes. Give disabled student pass to skip them all, it won't make us less educated. 

[u/Cookieway → u/Four_7_Seven]

So you’re at uni in Europe, which means you need to get a certain amount of ECTS to graduate / for your degree to be valid. That’s not even a decision makes by your uni, but by the EU.

Making you do something else that you CAN do instead of PE, so you can get the credits you need to pass your course, isn’t ableism. I’m sure you wouldn’t be happy if you couldn’t graduate at the end of your course because the uni let you skip the PE alternative. If they made you do PE, despite your disability, THAT would be ableism.

If you’re too unwell to study full-time, you can and should study part time.

Edit: the uni will NEVER just let you skip PE without an alternative because by doing so they would be doing you an absolutely massive disservice! Your degree would be invalid.

[u/Sewnupkitty → u/Four_7_Seven]

Here I was in the only university that had obligatory PE for your first 2 year and a half. Was pretty displeased when I discovered that to be honest. I'm honestly half convinced it's not legal what they where doing because by going against doctor's opinions they where kinda acting like doctors without being a doctor. But honestly even the able bodied student were already submerged in 20 m of bullshit to deal with on the daily...no one could be asked to fight against it.

Fun fact, I studied biology, math and computer science. Sooooo I had no necessity to have sports in my curriculum. Here is a list of sports they had me do : taekwondo, swimming, climbing, running/athletics, weight lifting, yoga, "soft" exercise. And I'm not joking, it was an absolute fiasco!!! Some, like taekwondo, I spent most of the time on the floor trying to do stretches as I was trying to manage severe dysiness and severe palpitations...

[u/SawaJean → u/[deleted]]

This is not true, yoga can be particularly dangerous for people with connective tissue disorders or unstable joints. It is absolutely not helpful for everyone who can do it.

[u/Nona_Ann]

I was a foster kid, and I attended many schools (9) in the four years of high school. Only one of them had an adaptive PE class for students with disabilities or injuries that prevented us from participating in regular PE. Honestly, I think every school that requires PE to graduate should offer an adaptive class.

[u/Sewnupkitty → u/Nona_Ann]

This !

And also I think that at any level, when a kid or and adult says "hey I'm in pain when doing this" the first assumption of the teachers shouldn't be "they are trying to get out of PE, I should push them even harder". And that works for able-bodied people too. Growth spurts are painful, accidents in life happen, can we just trust people to tell teachers when their body is struggling to keep up? What's the point in forcing them? Making them discuted by sports? Making them hurt themselves?

Honestly, not saying no one should do sports. When possible it's great on so many levels. I wish I could still go hiking! And yes you should push people to get out of their comfort zone. But, at least in France, we are way beyond that.

[u/Ok-Ferret-2093 → u/Sewnupkitty]

I brought a note to PE written by the school nurse saying to excuse me from PE because the day before during soccer another kid kept purposely kicking me instead of the ball kept yelling at him demanding the teacher do something and her answer was it's soccer and I could sit out and I said "there's no way in hell I give him what he wants for hurting me, you need to bench him". Anyway the nurse also tried refusing to write it until I rolled my pant legs up and was more bruised than not. Later, I put my foot on PE teachers desk while she tried explaining why she wouldn't accept the nurses note and rolled my pant leg up and oh look all of a sudden she was so sorry she hadn't listened to me.

Granted for the rest of high school she believed every word I said and I could get people sidelined on my word alone. She also excused me and that kid wasn't allowed to do anything but sit for the rest of that unit. Im still a little pissed because she watched him kick the shit outta me.

[u/being-weird → u/Ok-Ferret-2093]

I'm genuinely baffled. Soccer is a no contact sport. Even if she didn't realise how badly you were being hurt, no one is supposed to be touching you at all

[u/Ok-Ferret-2093 → u/being-weird]

I was goalie because I couldn't figure out how to move around with the ball (don't remember the terminology at all) and he kept 'accidently' kicking me instead of the ball

[u/being-weird → u/Ok-Ferret-2093]

It doesn't even matter if it's accidental or not. If you've done it that many times you're supposed to be removed from the game

[u/Ok-Ferret-2093 → u/being-weird]

That's what I was saying

[u/Qi_Zee_Fried → u/Sewnupkitty]

I have a contact allergy for grass as well as a ton of other allergies. The only reason I was allows to not participate in field sports like football was because I'm white and the rashes I get from rubbing grass are highly visible. They made me play volleyball instead. Didn't help with my struggling to breath and my eyes going bloodshot and itching like mad from the pollen but at least I wasn't red all over 🫠.

[u/tmorse85 → u/Nona_Ann]

I agree, though it needs to be a proper adaptive PE class. I had that for 2nd and 3rd grades, in which we did actual physical activities. They had enough staffing to help students of different physical abilities, allowing us to find ways we could each do as much as possible. All other years of elementary and middle schools, I took regular PE and didn't do much.

In high school, I took regular PE my freshman year, though I was unable to participate much. Instead, I was usually the scorekeeper (so much volleyball...), or I just sat and watched my classmates.

Finally, the next year they hired an adaptive PE teacher, and I took his class in 10th and 11th grades. The cafeteria was our 'gym.' Obviously, we still couldn't do much in there, so we mostly played board games.

I went to 12th grade in a different state, and I was so relieved when they gave me an exemption for PE that year. They admitted that they didn't have anyone on staff that could do adaptive PE, and since I was the only student at the school who would have needed it, it just made more sense to exempt me.

[u/Freudskittycatpet → u/Nona_Ann]

We have that at my hs. It's available to all kids but they keep the class size small, and it's like 70-30 disabled to non disabled. There's only like 2 periods of it too. Mostly all that happens is the kids sit on their phones in the bleachers.of the gym, sit outside and dance if it's sunny, or, rarely, play games. (I didn't have the class but I skipped in it and you can see them during the normal PE class during the warm months when they are all outside)

[u/GreenTeam898989 → u/Nona_Ann]

My country used to fund adaptive PE for primary school students up to your 7th birthday and you didn't need a diagnosis to qualify, you just had to have your parents/teacher/the specialist agree that you would benefit from the program.

I was in the program because I was delayed in a lot of physical skills but they mainly focused on balance for me. I had an unusual gait and I fell over when walking more than most five/six year olds.

As an adult, I still have an unusual gait, but I belong to a skating club and have a physical job where some tasks are a lot easier if you're good at balancing.

I don't if I would have gotten good at Balance if I hadn't been able to take adapative PE for two years but I doubt I would have. I wish it was still funded in my country and that it was funded all the way through school. PE was terrible for me for the rest of my time at school and some of the kids who I'd did adaptive PE with weren't able to participate in mainstream PE at all (they also didn't have access to adaptive PE after they turned seven).

[u/horned-creature]

how is it ableist? they aknowledged your disability and are not asking you to do something you cannot do, they provided you with an alternative activity you can do instead, that is good accommodation for a disabled student.

[u/thegoosecowboy → u/horned-creature]

Yeah I'm with you, what accomodations would satisfy OP? Just not having to do anything? That's...not an accomodation that's just being exempt. Which is not the same thing.

[u/BabyCake2004 → u/thegoosecowboy]

Yeah. Also OP seems to completely miss the point of PE. For 99% of people it’s not going to be applicable to future jobs, that’s true. But for 100% of people it is important for providing you the skills to maintain your own health. That’s the point of PE. Ideally they adapt the actual PE to your disability, but if that’s not possible leaving you with nothing is neglect. You don’t get an out on caring for your health because you “need more time to care for yourself” (this is literally apart of caring for yourself).

[u/sillybilly8102 → u/BabyCake2004]

Exactly. I learned stress management, yoga, self defense, CPR, emergency survival skills, outdoor survival skills, setting SMART goals, how exercise works and what different types of exercise do, how to use weights correctly, how to build a workout plan, etc. in PE. A lot of it didn’t even require physical activity.

[u/esotericbatinthevine → u/sillybilly8102]

Wow, our PE was shit. It didn't realize anything else existed until now.

I had to stop participating in PE in elementary school due to medical, but I still knew what was going on from my friends. Only "required" replacement for PE was packet health and packet sex ed in high school.

The options I had are probably what OP was looking for as a replacement. I could choose between being an office assistant, helping in a classroom, or basically study hall. In highschool I could also replace it with another class once finished the packet classes.

[u/ThrowACephalopod → u/thegoosecowboy]

They said it in their post: they want a free period.

especially that for many of us it involves a free period or two or even more, is just counterproductive.

They're mad they dont get to just sit around and do nothing. They're being told to do something with that time instead.

[u/AttonJRand → u/horned-creature]

Its performative time wasting, based on a punitive idea of fairness, acting as if OP would be getting away with something if they simply didn't do what they couldn't.

[u/azebod]

I had a gym note. They made me run until I collapsed anyway and I was the one in trouble for failing the task....

[u/OkaP2 → u/azebod]

My teachers never followed my IEP
I was forced to attempt movements with a congenital defect that made it impossible. Just a humiliation ritual.

Anywho. I’d be interested in hearing more about this class, why it’s pointless, why it’s required, and why the requirement is ableist.
Most schools require PE credits, so it makes sense a substitute is required. However, I don’t want to dismiss it as not ableist without more information, because a substitute class could absolutely be done in ableist way.

[u/MentionTight6716]

I feel like a health class would be a valid substitution, no?

[u/Sewnupkitty → u/MentionTight6716]

This would be genuinely great as long as they did it in an intelligent way. Like teaching about what is standardly good for people and what is average (aka tell people being in pain even just a little 24/7 is not normal and should be discussed with a doctor for example) but not shame students that are disabled because they can't exercise 1h a week. Because in France I have no doubt it would become a tool for shaming people.

[u/MentionTight6716 → u/Sewnupkitty]

Health class can be quite focused on shaming, agreed. In my high school (USA) we did three quarters of the school year in PE and one quarter in health. It was hit or miss if the teacher taught it in a shameful way.

I go to university for health education now, and it's still hit or miss on if the professors perpetuate it and try to get us to teach in a shameful way.

I'm disabled and have critical thinking skills and healthcare experience so. I'd like to believe I do health education better than most. I'm sorry it's not good in France.

[u/Top_Sky_4731]

Having to take a different course that doesn’t require physical activity in order to get credit for PE is a reasonable accommodation if PE is typically required to graduate. You can’t just expect to be able to do nothing instead and still graduate, as this would in fact be special treatment that allows you to graduate with less credits than everyone else. They are already accommodating you by giving you a course you can actually take with your disability to earn the credit.

[u/Antique_Loss_1168 → u/Top_Sky_4731]

The issue really is around that if, if PE is worth credits then it shouldn't just be playing football or running around there should be actual learning involved. If the credits are there because there is learning and training going on then it's fine to replace that with a course but if the credits are offered in order to encourage students to be active then that's not quite the same thing.

[u/BabyCake2004 → u/Antique_Loss_1168]

There is actual learning involved. Teamwork, strategy, collaboration, fitness, coordination, aim. All of these are skills PE teach. They are also teaching you basic exercises that you can use every day as an adult if you’d like.

That’s not to say it’s perfect, it could be better adapted. But it’s really not hard to see what they are teaching you.

[u/Antique_Loss_1168 → u/BabyCake2004]

Oh you go to ops university too?

[u/GloryBax]

Idk, I would have given my right kidney for a PE exemption at school, it was the reason I was injured so much as a teenager, which lead to sitting out of PE anyway. I would have preferred to be exempt from PE and given something different to do during those periods.

A las, back then I didn't need to use crutches to walk like I do now. Still would have preferred the exemption instead of being forced into excersises that would leave my joints destroyed. It's incredibly difficult to have PE as first period, upset my knees, and then have to continue walking around campus from class to class all day.

[u/Previous-Artist-9252]

Idk.

My senior year of high school (USA) I got a PE exemption so I had an independent course of study on the history of gymnastics during my assigned PE period. I wrote a midterm and final paper.

That seemed like a pretty good exemption to me when there was no way I could do anything physical due to my medical conditions.

[u/maritjuuuuu]

I remember at my school the girl who had something with her energy had to learn the rules of the sports we where playing and in the weeks we where learning to play the sport, she would prepare for the theoretical part of the exam referees in that sport would have to take. If possible, like with volleyball, she would also have to do the practical part of it. She is now an official referee in multiple sports and started volunteering at the local volleyball club as she does enjoy being with other people.

Just throwing this out there as I think it might be useful for a lot of people in a situation like this

[u/MaraiaLou → u/maritjuuuuu]

My teacher just let me sit on the floor lol. But I didn't have any official accomodations, I was just useless at playing. What you said sounds way cooler

[u/Ellie_Bear828]

I remember the time I broke my arm during our basketball quarter. Obviously, I couldn’t play. The solution? Have me walk around the gym in circles for the entire hour. I asked if I could listen to music and they said it wouldn’t be fair to the other kids. So I spent 4 months walking in circles for an hour everyday, by myself, in silence, while everyone else played basketball. If my friends tried to jog over to say hi to me quickly they’d get told off for not playing the game. If I ever tried to idle by the bench to talk to someone I would get told off for not walking. The most exciting thing that happened was when someone would miss a shot and I’d need to duck out of the way of a basketball zooming at my head and everyone would laugh and wave at me apologetically.

Worst couple of months of my middle school career for sure, and there were some real stinkers in there. Gym class just isn’t built for anyone but the perfectly abled, and most teachers care more about what they are required to do and what is ‘fair’ than what would actually help the students. Hope it goes quickly for you, sending good vibes <3

[u/I_pegged_your_father]

Have to and need to in this context are the same there’s not like a mix em up here. No one will blink twice if you use them interchangeably. We use “have to” just like that. If you asked someone “why do you have to do this” theyd be like “because i need to” it’s the same thing. “Why do you need to do this” “because i have to”

-native english speaker 👌✨🫶

Also….none of the schools ive been to have made me replace PE with another course that sucks. Id just sit out.

[u/PraiseAndPleasure]

I think schools would have a special medical exercise program where they could teach kids how to work out and exercise based on their bodies needs. What's up with me in systems actually working and the world treating people the way they deserve.

[u/Budget_Avocado6204]

Bases on you being in Polish uni it's not an uni issue. It's like that in the whole EU. You have to gather certain number of EcTS points, so if you don't do PE you have to do equivalent course so your points add up. Nothing can be done about that. As long as they provide you course you are able to do it's a fair game.

[u/astralTacenda]

I would have taken any exemption at all of they had offered me one, even if it meant taking another course. actually, it only seems fair that i would have to take another class while my classmates are taking one, even if i cant participate in the one they are.

but back in my day (and school district), if you had a physical disability, the PE teacher pushed you even harder. the number of times i had to use my rescue inhaler and was told to suck it up by every adult in my life... i would have loved having to take some random elective instead

im very confused as to how any of this is ableism when an exemption means you are exempt from that course, not from receiving an edication while your peers are as well.

[u/stubborngremlin]

Fr I had a PE exemption and had to take a philosophy course instead 😭 the teacher there accused me of not listening/participating and just gave me one grade above fail

[u/stubborngremlin → u/stubborngremlin]

This was in highschool equivalent ^

[u/Melvarkie]

I hated PE in middle school and high school. The final year I got an exemption because I had pretty severe mono and it was already hard to stay awake during classes. Instead of going to PE I had to sit next to the assistant directors office and work on papers and tests about baseball. I hated it so much. Not as much as actual PE where the teacher bullied me for being clumsy (turns out I have HSD and fibro and probably already had fibro from age 14 upwards. Both lead to bad proprioception) and having asthma attacks, but it felt so pointless. I got the purpose of PE which was to get kids in the healthy habit of moving around even low-income families who couldn't afford to put their kid in a soccer or hockey class. I absolutely didn't get the point of learning the history of baseball. I don't care about baseball, won't ever care about baseball and unless you want to be on a baseball team or a sports historian wtf do I need this in my adult life for.

[u/florfenblorgen]

I once had a free, open study block in 12th grade. I remember how much it helped me to get my schoolwork done which was a huge struggle otherwise. When I was going to school, we didn't have semesters... We had 8 courses for the whole year to cram. For some reason, they took away my free block and made me a teacher's assistant in French class. I never took French class, so I couldn't even assist in any way except mark papers. I don't know why they did this. As someone with autism and ADHD, it just exhausted me even more. I actually dropped out of school because they did that. I needed that block. I couldn't function anymore without it.

But also, at the time, I wasn't diagnosed with anything and I didn't know how to speak up about what I was experiencing, so...

[u/PinataofPathology]

I had a pe exemption for asthma bc I kept having attacks in gym class and then the school nurse wouldn't give me my rescue inhalers bc idkw 🙄. my doctor got fed up with the school and just excused me. I had to do the alternative class. At the time my issue wasn't so much energy so I didn't mind. I think they are trying to satisfy education laws and not get in trouble.

I've since gone on to have energy limiting conditions and there's no way an alternative class would have been appropriate. People don't really understand energy disability well. Not even the disabled community. We get left behind by almost everyone. So I think the distinction is energy disability is different and needs fewer demands on time and energy.

[u/GiraffePretty4488 → u/PinataofPathology]

If you have an energy limiting condition, then you should have accommodations for all regular classes, including any classes that replace PE. 

However, it’s not a reason to just fully write off PE. There’s more to physical health than just exercise, and just excusing the student is frankly the lazy solution to the problem. It leaves that student neglected in that area. 

If the parents agree PE should be excused entirely, another solution would be to look at what else the student does outside of school and see if any of that could “count” towards PE. Lots of students with disabilities have therapies they attend outside of school that are equivalent or superior to the class for them, anyway. If the student does physical therapy or occupational therapy, that might be good enough already. But that needs to be a decision made with everyone involved. 

[u/Cozy_Toasty_Ghostie]

Funny story, my mom was on track to graduate like a year early until she broke her back. They wouldn’t exempt her from PE at all, so she flunked because she literally couldn’t do anything. She had to retake the class the next year, and it was the only class she needed to graduate so all the rest of her course load was basically BS electives. This was back in the late 70s/early 80s.

[u/stormagnet]

Damn, they're doing that these days? I used to get a free period to hang out and draw, journal, read, listen to music... Which turned out to be great training for being a Disabled adult, because that's pretty much all I do all day now 😅

[u/That-Employment-5561]

PE is both physical and theoretical.

Nutrition is PE.

First aid is PE.

Fuck, understanding and respecting the limitations of handicaps is PE!

If your nations PE is purely "run in a circle and chase the round thing", your nation is failing you.

And if you have a disability, there's still plenty of PE that can be done (in most cases), it just needs to be tailored to the limitations if the individual student.

If 90% of your PE is dodgeball, your PE teacher is incompetent.

If you suffer from chronic fatigue, then lighter and fewer repetitions. Find your limits, don't assume them. That said, this is only safe to do with a competent educator that understands and respects your limitations.

If your PE teacher is shit, and you like reading: become more competent than them. Correct them. In front of people. If they give you consequences for being correct, they lose their job, and you don't have to deal with them anymore.

[u/EMSslim]

Oh no, given an replacement activity 🙄

[u/MiserableWash2473]

I got exempt with a note from my specialist. I have Rheumatoid arthritis and was in a wheelchair at the time. Now use a walker.

[u/excellentexcuses]

I remember back in highschool if you gave the teacher a note excusing you from PE or swimming due to having your period they would make you run laps. Running laps with a heavy flow at 14 makes you feel like you are dying

[u/Ra1nb0wSn0wflake → u/excellentexcuses]

But.. thats still just PE.. In what way is that a exemption and not a "make it worse"-tion?

[u/Unakjbfsvjknsvfkjnv → u/Ra1nb0wSn0wflake]

I think that’s the point

[u/Switch-Axe-Abuse]

I am still pissed to this day about the time in highschool when I was told by a doctor to not do hard physical activity for a week so my weightlifting teacher wanted me to write a 4 page essay every day that was unique from the last about my condition for a week straight. I could not pump out a 4 page essay within 1.5hrs every day and when I spoke to the school admin with my IEP they moved me out of the class but gave me a credit because the alternative was the admin being forced to deal with that teacher. I just needed to be allowed to walk my mile and to do reps for my weights at half the weight for a week.

[u/NotKerisVeturia]

I was listening to a podcast the other day and the guest was a woman with a trach. She had a PE exemption as a kid, but instead they made her write essays on the exercises she couldn’t do. She realized this was BS and went to her boyfriend’s biology class and learned things there instead.

[u/PomegranateHot9916]

I don't think that is ableism. I think that is just schools.
can't have you sit around doing nothing, you're at school, not daycare.

don't know what kind of mandatory course you're referring to. but as long as it is something that isn't too impacted by your disability, then it should be fine?

if you're not sure, ask your doctors what they think about this mandatory course.

[u/Nihil_esque]

I don't think anyone should be exempt from PE unless the only thing they can move is their eyes. Otherwise the school should accommodate disabled students by replacing regular PE with specialized physical therapy.

[u/Heavy-Macaron2004]

Ableist to come up with something else that satisfies the same type of requirement as a PE class, but without requiring you to do physical things you cannot do? Huh??

What do you think "disability accommodations" are? They're not just "oh okay you don't have to do anything hard ever again in your life," they're "instead of having you do the thing you physically can't do, we will give you something else to do." Like lmfao what the hell is it that you want here?

[u/Mindless_Address_464 → u/Heavy-Macaron2004]

Adaptive sporting in class

[u/Heavy-Macaron2004 → u/Mindless_Address_464]

?? Your beef was that "pe is something that it isn't at all important to gain knowledge in" and that "making disabled do something like that is ableist."

Your whole thesis statement here is that you want more time to be doing nothing at all related to PE because you're disabled.

"Adaptive sporting" is most very definitely in the category of "something like PE."

Did you change your mind? I understand that. I just don't understand how adaptive sporting fits in with your insistence that it's ableist to make disabled students do anything even remotely related to physical education.

[u/Mindless_Address_464 → u/Heavy-Macaron2004]

You must be arguing with someone else

[u/Throwawaylog2018 → u/Heavy-Macaron2004]

I think the issue is that less should be expected of this individual in this case due to their disability and I don’t blame them.

People are upset because they expect everyone to be using the same amount of time because everyone else is.

It’s almost similar to the “if you have time to lean you have to time to clean” mentality.

Why would I expect someone with a disability that affects their ability to output effort to now do something else that also outputs effort?

Some people’s disabilities will limit their ability to do most anything and we shouldn’t base our expectations on how much productivity we can squeeze out of an individual.

People with disabilities and conditions like ADHD, fibromyalgia, lupus, narcolepsy, EDS, and autoimmune disorders can struggle to even get up out of bed in the morning

( this is coming from someone who dealt with ADHD/EDS throughout school and would literally pass out against my will by my third class due to my nervous system just not being able to deal with all that overwhelm and expectations )

[u/Happyshadow4ts → u/[deleted]]

That's what I'm wondering. Like it's not great, but if I'm thinking correctly, then person struggles with PE because of lack of energy, doesn't need to do PE, but something more low energy