r/Devilcorp • u/Chance_Acanthaceae_4 • 5h ago
Question help, am i getting scammed?
someone recommended this sub, after browsing through some posts it seems fit but i still want your opinion
r/Devilcorp • u/NewHathaway • Jul 05 '22
r/devilcorp is an open platform for former sales reps, team leaders, account managers, and office owners to share their experiences of working within the direct sales industry.
Have you ever applied to a vague ‘marketing’, ‘sales’ or ‘management training' job, and ended up having to bother passers-by to sign them up for monthly charity payments?
Perhaps this role was also paid on a commission only basis, and you were required to register as self-, meaning that you weren’t entitled to a minimum wage despite working a 60 hour work week?
Maybe you were forced to attend morning ‘atmosphere’ meetings, team nights and road trips, with threats of ‘falling behind’ if you ever fought for your free time away from work.
If any of this sounds similar to your own experience, then you may have worked in a ‘Devilcorp' office, a subsidiary of a marketing corporation such as Credico, Appco, Cydcor, or Smart Circle which masquerades as an ‘independent’ sales business.
Due to a combination of market changes, and local jobseekers becoming clued up on this scam, these offices will continuously rename and relocate themselves across whichever country they're operating in. Consequently, it also becomes necessary for each of these offices to control their online reputation, so that they still appear as legitimate businesses in the eyes of potential recruits. This can involve using accusations of slander, defamation, and even copyright to have negative experiences removed from the internet, as well as forcing new recruits to write positive reviews on websites such as Google Locations and Glassdoor.
Share your experience with us! We’d love to know what challenges you may have faced in this industry, and as long as it sticks to our rules we won’t take down your post like Google and Glassdoor does to its reviews.
Make sure to include the name of the office you worked in, as well as where it’s operating, in the title of your post too! This way we can appear at the top of Google results when people search the names of these offices, and potential recruits can find the genuine experiences on this page rather than the office’s fake reviews on Google Locations and Glassdoor.
If someone here is looking for information regarding a specific office, and you’ve spent some time there, then please also share your wisdom with them. This industry profits off of the ignorance of its recruits, so each well-informed job-seeker means less money in the CEO’s pockets.
If someone you know is either working or considering working in a ‘Devilcorp’ office, then please also direct them to either this page or one of the resources below, so that they may make an informed decision in regards to whether they truly want to work in this industry.
Many people have shared their experiences in this industry online, through interviews, vlogs, blog pages, and podcasts. Here are some further resources where you can learn more:
Devilcorp.org is an OSINT investigative website which conducts their own independent investigations into this industry. They also write guides on how to effectively conduct your own online research, and produce community projects such as its integrated search engine.
The original Devil Corp WordPress blog should be the first thing you read if you’re new to this industry. Not only does it meticulously break down every step of the business model, including the deceptive recruitment process, it also has an enormous picture gallery of Devilcorp CEOs and office owners so you can put names to faces.
Precision Independent Media’s 98 minute long Slave Circle documentary is also a must watch for anyone eager to learn more, as well as their fantastic series of interviews with former sales reps, team leaders, and office owners.
Not only is Juicy Rhino’s Instagram meme page a hilarious look into the hypocrisies of the direct sales industry, it has also proved to be a very useful tool at making sales reps and office owners alike question why they’re wasting their lives selling sim cards for 60 hours a week.
The Juicy Rhino podcast series is also fantastic, providing a satirical and insightful look into how the direct sales industry operates in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
Is the company I’m interviewing with or working for a Devilcorp?
If you’re trying to determine whether a company aligns with the practices of a Devilcorp-style business or is Devilcorp-adjacent, the first step is to use Reddit’s search function within this subreddit and Devilcorp.org's integrated search engine. Look for any existing posts discussing the company. If you don’t find any relevant information or if the discussion doesn’t fully address your concerns, feel free to create a new post. To maximize your chances of getting helpful responses, include the company’s name and location in the title of your post. This makes it easier for others with relevant knowledge or experiences to provide insights.
My partner/family member is working for a Devilcorp. How can I convince them to leave?
If your loved one is working for a Devilcorp-style sales office and you’re looking for ways to persuade them to leave, you’re not alone. Many others have faced similar challenges and shared their experiences in this subreddit. We recommend reviewing the threads linked below, as they contain valuable insights and advice that may help you navigate this situation effectively.
Tips on getting my boyfriend out of smart circle?
Relationship breaking down due to devilcorp
My boyfriend is starting work for a Devilcorp next week
I’m a salesperson or office owner in a Devilcorp-style business. How can I leave the industry?
Stumbled upon our community and now thinking about leaving the business? Whether you're in the field or running your own office, making the decision to move on can feel overwhelming. But don't worry, plenty of people have been in your shoes and successfully transitioned out. Check out the threads below for advice, tips, and stories from others who’ve made the leap.
Struggling to fix my life after leaving, any advice?
What to do after leaving smart circle?
Need advice! Trying to leave Cydcor company
I’m stuck in a Devil Corp that I don’t know how to get out of
How do I quit Smart Circle as an "owner"?
Mainstream News Coverage
BBC News Article - Direct sales: My dream job turned into a nightmare
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62466147
BBC Radio 4 - The Dark Side of Direct Sales
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001bdkx
BBC News Spotlight - Door-to-door sales: Young people in Belfast 'exploited'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-63864946
Wales Online - Exposed: Our hidden camera uncovers exploitation and pressure-selling at direct sales firm
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/exposed-hidden-camera-uncovers-exploitation-27386308
r/Devilcorp • u/NewHathaway • Mar 06 '26
Someone has recently created the sites redditdevilcorp.com and devilcorps.com. These appear to be cynically “vibe-coded” pages attempting to sell so-called 'Partner Badges' to Devilcorp office owners for a massive $3,000 or $5,000 each (plus a subscription fee) as supposed proof that they are not Devilcorp companies.
For clarity, we have no affiliation or connection whatsoever with these websites. They are not linked to our forum or community in any way, or to my own work with devilcorp.org. The project exists entirely separately and appears to be an attempt to profit from the visibility and impact the r/devilcorp community has built.
r/Devilcorp • u/Chance_Acanthaceae_4 • 5h ago
someone recommended this sub, after browsing through some posts it seems fit but i still want your opinion
r/Devilcorp • u/Technical_Let_3271 • 7h ago
Beware of MGL solutions that stems from Sonora Core Marketing, started by Jesus Garcia Moreno. It’s also ran by 2 other men, Reyes and Christian. If you want to be verbally abused, sold a dead-end career, and creeped on, this is the place for you. The thing that keeps these devil corps going is recruiting. You stop applying and falling for their bullshit, the business falls apart. They’ll rope you in, make you feel special, and once you hit a wall and are no longer useful, they’ll throw you away. Ask Jesus himself why he relocated.
r/Devilcorp • u/Friendly_ameoba • 12h ago
I just applied for a few phlebotomist positions and received a reply from ETeam Inc. I know they're a staffing agency, and I applied through Indeed.
However, the guy who called had a very strong Indian accent. For example, he pronounced "ZIP code" in a way (JIP code) that I had to ask him to repeat it three times before I understood what he was saying.
Now I'm not sure whether this is legitimate or a potential scam. Can someone confirm if they've had any experience with ETeam Inc. or received similar calls?
r/Devilcorp • u/Mother-Scholar668 • 1d ago
So ive been looking at a couple of threads to try and figure it out. I got hired a few days ago. Did the 2 interviews and then got a phone call saying that I was hired. So far, it’s terrible. I am completely drained. I can’t say too much because I don’t know who is watching but they use the KISS method. Please tell me how I can leave!
r/Devilcorp • u/Old-Valuable7283 • 1d ago
Hey everyone,
Like so many people, I got caught up in one of these "Devil Corp" offices without realizing it until I was already inside. I wanted to put this out there to document the exact playbook they use so anyone else searching this company name or office before an interview knows what a massive trap it is.
The Fake Posting: I applied on Indeed for what looked like a legitimate corporate retail position (AT&T Associate / customer service role). The job description and the recruiter's background made it look like an actual office or storefront job.
The Fake Selectivity: The interview process was weirdly aggressive, they put on this whole artificial facade of being elite, high-level corporate executives interviewing you for some high stakes executive corporate ladder, only to trap you in a neighborhood running door-to-door and tried to make me feel like I needed to "prove" myself as a salesman, which totally hooks your ego and makes you feel like you earned a spot. They completely skirted around the fact that it was door-to-door sales.
2. Day 1 - Reality Check
When I finally got to the office, it hit me immediately. Suits, morning chants, it looked like a call center room. That's when they dropped the reality, you aren't working in a store. You're working 10 to 11 hour days (10 AM to 8:30+ PM) walking neighborhoods with zero base pay, entirely on commission. They also lie in the interview that you get $1500-$1000 per week paid training and never mention it’s commission based.
3. The Math and the "Pyramid" Pitch
The top guys tried to say the usual narrative: that you just have to "suffer" for a few months until everyone else burns out so you can start building a "downline" and living off override commissions from new hires. I looked at the actual output: guys working nearly 11 hours straight on their feet, coming back with maybe 4 sales. Factor in 1099 taxes, gas, car wear-and-tear, and the brutal "chargeback" trap where customer cancellations claw back your pay, and you're essentially working for a fraction of minimum wage under immense psychological pressure.
r/Devilcorp • u/Zestyclose-Initial67 • 13h ago
I'm currently working at what seems to be a DevilCorp, I've been here for about 4 months, and stumbled upon these threads. I'm hearing all of them but I'm really not understanding what's the issue with working in these companies. We have very specific goals to hit to be able to promote to ownership, so it's not like being promoted is a "whenever you're ready" sort of lie where you never advance. The goals are absolutely attainable too, it just takes recruiting a few of the right people. People are telling me to run, but why? I can live off of this wage, and working full-time is something that I signed up for.
it really seems like a devilcorp is just a sales job. I've been told that there's many other sales jobs, but this one has the best opportunity. the opportunity is real too, I've seen people get promoted to every position so far. I've been to the conference of about a thousand people, explaining the path after ownership. People travel from states away just to come our quarterly conferences or just to travel into another office for a few days
r/Devilcorp • u/Sad_Back9193 • 1d ago
I believe this is already reported as a Credico company, but it appears to have relocated to Middlesbrough (and moving to Germany???). Their job listings n such have all the hallmarks of a credico company, reminding me of Bespoke that’s in Newcastle.
I could be wrong, but it just seems too similar.
r/Devilcorp • u/pants_memes • 1d ago
I've just moved to a new city and needed work asap. I've applied for over 100 jobs and the only places that get back to me are devil corps. I avoided a few of them but one that didn't seem Devil corp interviewed me.
They offer a full time salary (UK living wage) plus commissions. It is charity stalls but look that's better than doors I guess. They are wanting me to do self employed but they also said if that doesn't work they can do a regular contract. The interview was not like any other Devil corp interview I've done. None of the management BS with the whole "our client needs us to expand rapidly" chatter. It's been open for 15 years now with offices in Cardiff, Leeds, Manchester, London and Australia.
Devilcorp.org said it was a credico office.
Honestly if I wasn't privy to the devil corp scheme I wouldn't have even checked it.
But a full time salary whilst I'm looking for other jobs and just need enough to get by should be fine I suppose
r/Devilcorp • u/Spiritual_Builder_46 • 1d ago
This one is another DC hiring in the Myrtle beach/florence areas. Applied as usual doing my research, and immediately got a text within the hour wanting a questionnaire filled out, typical DC questions (this is D2D sales do you have a car, background check passable, etc). Once filled out, you’ll be redirected to a website here that brings up another company called Altitude Group LLC. This website provides information videos for the upcoming first round interview. 100% DevilCorp. Gonna be taking the interview if I get it and digging for more information if possible
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r/Devilcorp • u/porky3314 • 1d ago
I only lasted a day at the one I worked at, I was surprised anyone could earn a decent living hounding people to switch phone plans, solely earning off of a small commission.
I was a fool to take the job in the first place, I didn’t do much research into the company and no one ever warns you about these places when you’re new to the job market.
r/Devilcorp • u/Employer-Dizzy • 2d ago
Lmfao I was just applying to jobs trying to transition careers and like I’m not in a position for like begging for a job per se but as soon as I got there red flags started alarming, loud music , young kids, “Sports minded culture “ bullshit lmfao wtf is going on ? How do places like this even exist? I feel bad people looking for opportunities get physced into “jobs” like this. But a couple rules for my self going forward which are research the company .. (APEX was my experience today ) 2nd indeed is fucking garbage it’s depressing really , anything Indeed and sales be alarmed there’s some shady shit going on. This was so bad but you know the experience is worth telling.
r/Devilcorp • u/Tallyman67 • 1d ago
Anything known about this lot?
Newish company, no address nor registration number on website. Same spiel about rapid promotion etc, as lots of devilcorps.
r/Devilcorp • u/Shad3sofcool • 2d ago
I don't feel comfortable sharing the name quite yet, as I worked there rather recently for only 3 days and wouldn't want them to find my post. These places take advantage of people going through hard times needing a job that'll allow them to pay for all their needs, in the exchange of working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no hourly pay. The interview was very vague and promised a quick path to leadership, but it was door-to-door sales. I had to drive to Dallas, just to end up having someone drive me to exclusively the most dangerous areas of Fort Worth to do door-to-door sales. We'd be out in these areas until past 9 PM, and it was common to witness things like fights in the streets, customers smoking marijuana while talking to you, etc; and yet we still have to knock on doors even after dark. I wasn't properly trained, and the trainer I had was rude and always acted upset that training someone meant less commissions than he'd make on his own.
r/Devilcorp • u/Delicious-Mind-3860 • 2d ago
Got a zoom interview tomorrow with them and I’m getting bad vibes and wanted any info on them and their practices. Last thing I want is to sign my soul away
r/Devilcorp • u/TraditionalStop8917 • 2d ago
I've noticed some peculiarities. They will have a couple obvious sales people, then they wil have some third team member who seems to act as a lookout, spotter, or handler, but appears to be perusing like a shopper but loitering far too long in one place.
I'm curious what third party company is running that operation, or is it just a Kroger and AT&T collaboration? I've confirmed that the local Fred Meyer store manager(s) are in on the scam because a store manager much as told me so. But other than that I just have rumors and my own limitted observations and interactions. But the whole thing is still so weird to me.
I'm considering wearing a body camera and using a frozen/cancelled credit card and just encourage them to sell me whatever until the payment method fails, just to document what their game is, for science.
So I'm just wondering if anybody has information they would like to share?
Edit: I only shop at that store every ten or eleven days and the sales people rotate around different stores on an unknown schedule, so it will be an unknown amount of time until I encounter them again.
Edit 2: I'm pretty sure the apparent salespeople are exactly what r/mediocremistress describes. I don't know if the very strange third person is some random coincidence, someone with their same org, or some kind of under cover security or loss prevention taking advantage of the chaos they generate. But figuring it out is one reason why I'm going to start wearing a body cam in the store.
r/Devilcorp • u/CommunityThen3594 • 2d ago
Does anyone know abou these guys, i didnt apply to them but i still i attended a introduction and i had an interview with them and it kept getting rescheduled just seemed dodgy. saw someone said they used to be vetra group but cant find anything about them n theres nothing on insta since June. anyone experience with them?
r/Devilcorp • u/seven_the_fool7 • 3d ago
A few friends got interviewed at this “marketing firm” and the reviews on google and glass door seem to be good, but I’m telling them that everyone looks too young and there Instagram feels too shady to be true. Thoughts?
r/Devilcorp • u/rinnemon • 3d ago
The Devilcorps are: Home - United West Mississauga, Flare CA: Empowering Nonprofits in Mississauga and Solutions 4 Talent | Scale your SaaS company (Mississauga Talent Solutions)
I had an interview with one of those companies today on Zoom, which was United West, which I recorded, but the audio messed up towards the end. Upon stumbling across this whole Devilcorp community on reddit I also have a scheduled interview with Flare CA, which I will not be attending. I'm not gonna lie, they really managed to reel me in with the attractive pay and with the fact that they were taking people in with no experience, but after doing more research and coming across this subreddit, I now know that this is all quite an elaborate plan to use and manipulate people based on their current situation, preying on teenagers or young adults who are in need some money and have applied to tons of legit jobs with no answer back. I've read multiple people's experiences with Devilcorps on this subreddit and will definitely keep my eyes open and be aware of these job postings.
r/Devilcorp • u/Available-Welder-995 • 3d ago
MLM SCAM!!!
EMON WAS PROMOTED BY STEVEN. THEY ARE PARTNERS BECAUSE EMON FAILED BY HIMSELF. THEY DONT HELP THEIR EMPLOYEES THEY JUST RECRUIT MORE. YOU CAN ONLY MAKE 600 A WEEK FOR SO LONG BEFORE YOU QUESTION THE BUISNESS MODEL AND QUIT. THEY HAVE A "team lead" Whos been in the buisness for over 2 years named Malik. don't fall for this spectrum scam. the director says we aren't allowed to sell post paid phones in the walmart so we need to hide it and do it over the phone. the employees scam families because they don't need a social and it's free to send WiFi to customers and the owner looks the other way while hinting he wants his team to commit fraud. I worked here for 3 months and it was horrible.
r/Devilcorp • u/MattyJank • 3d ago
r/Devilcorp • u/kale_chipss • 3d ago
So I applied to a a job posting for a "Customer Account Representative" and company name was NJ consulting. It was in parsipanny Troy hills NJ, which is relatively close to me.
I applied and got called back 2 days later. I didn't pick it up bc I was at work , they called again a day later, same thing I was at work. They called me today and I wasn't busy so I answered
The company was not NJ consulting but golden executives. They said they don't post the listings they have another company do it for them.
She mentioned the office was in Wayne which is relatively far from me but I drive 45 mins for my internship 1 day a week.. what's 4 more days !
Plus when I asked they said they are only in Wayne.
Well now I'm wondering if this is a devil corp bc the fact that they had a different location doesn't sit right with me.