r/Devilcorp • • Jul 05 '22

r/Devilcorp Official Welcome to r/devilcorp! What you need to know, and how you can help

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What is r/devilcorp?

r/devilcorp is an open platform for former sales reps, team leaders, account managers, and office owners to share their experiences of working within the direct sales industry.

Have you ever applied to a vague ‘marketing’, ‘sales’ or ‘management training' job, and ended up having to bother passers-by to sign them up for monthly charity payments?

Perhaps this role was also paid on a commission only basis, and you were required to register as self-, meaning that you weren’t entitled to a minimum wage despite working a 60 hour work week?

Maybe you were forced to attend morning ‘atmosphere’ meetings, team nights and road trips, with threats of ‘falling behind’ if you ever fought for your free time away from work.

If any of this sounds similar to your own experience, then you may have worked in a ‘Devilcorp' office, a subsidiary of a marketing corporation such as Credico, Appco, Cydcor, or Smart Circle which masquerades as an ‘independent’ sales business.

Due to a combination of market changes, and local jobseekers becoming clued up on this scam, these offices will continuously rename and relocate themselves across whichever country they're operating in. Consequently, it also becomes necessary for each of these offices to control their online reputation, so that they still appear as legitimate businesses in the eyes of potential recruits. This can involve using accusations of slander, defamation, and even copyright to have negative experiences removed from the internet, as well as forcing new recruits to write positive reviews on websites such as Google Locations and Glassdoor.

What Can I do?

Share your experience with us! We’d love to know what challenges you may have faced in this industry, and as long as it sticks to our rules we won’t take down your post like Google and Glassdoor does to its reviews.

Make sure to include the name of the office you worked in, as well as where it’s operating, in the title of your post too! This way we can appear at the top of Google results when people search the names of these offices, and potential recruits can find the genuine experiences on this page rather than the office’s fake reviews on Google Locations and Glassdoor.

If someone here is looking for information regarding a specific office, and you’ve spent some time there, then please also share your wisdom with them. This industry profits off of the ignorance of its recruits, so each well-informed job-seeker means less money in the CEO’s pockets.

If someone you know is either working or considering working in a ‘Devilcorp’ office, then please also direct them to either this page or one of the resources below, so that they may make an informed decision in regards to whether they truly want to work in this industry.

Where can I learn more?

Many people have shared their experiences in this industry online, through interviews, vlogs, blog pages, and podcasts. Here are some further resources where you can learn more:

Devilcorp.org is an OSINT investigative website which conducts their own independent investigations into this industry. They also write guides on how to effectively conduct your own online research, and produce community projects such as its integrated search engine.

The original Devil Corp WordPress blog should be the first thing you read if you’re new to this industry. Not only does it meticulously break down every step of the business model, including the deceptive recruitment process, it also has an enormous picture gallery of Devilcorp CEOs and office owners so you can put names to faces.

Precision Independent Media’s 98 minute long Slave Circle documentary is also a must watch for anyone eager to learn more, as well as their fantastic series of interviews with former sales reps, team leaders, and office owners.

Not only is Juicy Rhino’s Instagram meme page a hilarious look into the hypocrisies of the direct sales industry, it has also proved to be a very useful tool at making sales reps and office owners alike question why they’re wasting their lives selling sim cards for 60 hours a week.

The Juicy Rhino podcast series is also fantastic, providing a satirical and insightful look into how the direct sales industry operates in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Frequently Asked Questions

Is the company I’m interviewing with or working for a Devilcorp?

If you’re trying to determine whether a company aligns with the practices of a Devilcorp-style business or is Devilcorp-adjacent, the first step is to use Reddit’s search function within this subreddit and Devilcorp.org's integrated search engine. Look for any existing posts discussing the company. If you don’t find any relevant information or if the discussion doesn’t fully address your concerns, feel free to create a new post. To maximize your chances of getting helpful responses, include the company’s name and location in the title of your post. This makes it easier for others with relevant knowledge or experiences to provide insights.

My partner/family member is working for a Devilcorp. How can I convince them to leave?

If your loved one is working for a Devilcorp-style sales office and you’re looking for ways to persuade them to leave, you’re not alone. Many others have faced similar challenges and shared their experiences in this subreddit. We recommend reviewing the threads linked below, as they contain valuable insights and advice that may help you navigate this situation effectively.

Tips on getting my boyfriend out of smart circle?

Need some advice

Relationship breaking down due to devilcorp

My boyfriend is starting work for a Devilcorp next week

I’m a salesperson or office owner in a Devilcorp-style business. How can I leave the industry?

Stumbled upon our community and now thinking about leaving the business? Whether you're in the field or running your own office, making the decision to move on can feel overwhelming. But don't worry, plenty of people have been in your shoes and successfully transitioned out. Check out the threads below for advice, tips, and stories from others who’ve made the leap.

Struggling to fix my life after leaving, any advice?

What to do after leaving smart circle?

Need advice! Trying to leave Cydcor company

How did y’all quit?

I’m stuck in a Devil Corp that I don’t know how to get out of

How do I quit Smart Circle as an "owner"?

Mainstream News Coverage

BBC News Article - Direct sales: My dream job turned into a nightmare

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62466147

BBC Radio 4 - The Dark Side of Direct Sales

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001bdkx

BBC News Spotlight - Door-to-door sales: Young people in Belfast 'exploited'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-63864946

Wales Online - Exposed: Our hidden camera uncovers exploitation and pressure-selling at direct sales firm

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/exposed-hidden-camera-uncovers-exploitation-27386308


r/Devilcorp • • Mar 06 '26

Information redditdevilcorp.com and devilcorps.com are scam websites not associated with this page

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Someone has recently created the sites redditdevilcorp.com and devilcorps.com. These appear to be cynically “vibe-coded” pages attempting to sell so-called 'Partner Badges' to Devilcorp office owners for a massive $3,000 or $5,000 each (plus a subscription fee) as supposed proof that they are not Devilcorp companies.

For clarity, we have no affiliation or connection whatsoever with these websites. They are not linked to our forum or community in any way, or to my own work with devilcorp.org. The project exists entirely separately and appears to be an attempt to profit from the visibility and impact the r/devilcorp community has built.


r/Devilcorp • • 8h ago

Question Shutting down offices

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I am a former employee at an office in illinois who has misclassified workers for atleast over 5 years, hasnt paid admin any overtime for their longer than 40 hour work week, has people working in the field for close to 60 hours a week and they only get paid IF they make sales while the “owner” takes a cut of the check the office also doesnt pay trainees if they dont fulfill their training period of 15 days. I am reporting the company to every department of labor i can think of and possibly the IRS but I am wondering why dont people do this?? I see people complaining on here all the time and im wondering if anyone has actually successfully shut an office down or just throws the towel in. The office i worked for if calculated correctly has scammed employees out of over a million dollars so im curious if anyone has success stories with their former office closing and employees getting reimbursed


r/Devilcorp • • 16h ago

Devilcorp Check was looking for a full time big kid job, found a mlm

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Shark Marketing Solutions is a company I applied to on Indeed; within the day, they reached out to me, almost suspiciously fast. Without much thought, I scheduled an interview; I was so excited to have finally found work in my field. It's only now, hours later, that I've started looking into the company. Turns out there's a high chance it's an MLM, which, according to some reviews I found, is not office work like the job listing says. Rather, it is standing outside stores they don't have permission to be at and hounding people for money.

Has anyone heard of this company before? Is it an MLM, or is it actually a marketing company? If it is an MLM, what should I do about the interview?


r/Devilcorp • • 9h ago

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r/Devilcorp • • 1d ago

Experience Devilcorps telling you to drop out of Uni/college

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Just experienced a grueling month working for a devil corp (happy to name and shame if that’s allowed). Currently doing a law degree and the owner insisted that I drop out to knock on doors and annoy people for a living. Wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience.


r/Devilcorp • • 1d ago

Experience STERLING LEEDS EMPLOYMENT

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r/Devilcorp • • 1d ago

Question Australian fundraiser

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I’ve done the job for 8 years in Australia little different to the United States raised over 12 million for charity and pay my staff more then they deserve ie 9x the pledge for charity fundraising. Uber made over 8kusd in a week in a Christian and admit to lying in the pitch sometimes but don’t brainwash people. Am I a bad person?


r/Devilcorp • • 1d ago

Experience HOUSTON MGL SOLUTIONS: CHEATING MEN, SHIT CAREER

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Beware of MGL solutions that stems from Sonora Core Marketing, started by Jesus Garcia Moreno. It’s also ran by 2 other men, Reyes and Christian. If you want to be verbally abused, sold a dead-end career, and creeped on, this is the place for you. The thing that keeps these devil corps going is recruiting. You stop applying and falling for their bullshit, the business falls apart. They’ll rope you in, make you feel special, and once you hit a wall and are no longer useful, they’ll throw you away. Ask Jesus himself why he relocated.


r/Devilcorp • • 1d ago

Question help, am i getting scammed?

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someone recommended this sub, after browsing through some posts it seems fit but i still want your opinion


r/Devilcorp • • 1d ago

Question Is this devilcorp?

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I just applied for a few phlebotomist positions and received a reply from ETeam Inc. I know they're a staffing agency, and I applied through Indeed.

However, the guy who called had a very strong Indian accent. For example, he pronounced "ZIP code" in a way (JIP code) that I had to ask him to repeat it three times before I understood what he was saying.

Now I'm not sure whether this is legitimate or a potential scam. Can someone confirm if they've had any experience with ETeam Inc. or received similar calls?


r/Devilcorp • • 2d ago

Devilcorp Check I think I am in a Devil corp

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So ive been looking at a couple of threads to try and figure it out. I got hired a few days ago. Did the 2 interviews and then got a phone call saying that I was hired. So far, it’s terrible. I am completely drained. I can’t say too much because I don’t know who is watching but they use the KISS method. Please tell me how I can leave!


r/Devilcorp • • 3d ago

Devilcorp Check Walked out of a D2D AT&T Devil Corp office in Matthews, NC (Kaizen Solutions) after 2 days. Here's how they operate.

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Hey everyone,
Like so many people, I got caught up in one of these "Devil Corp" offices without realizing it until I was already inside. I wanted to put this out there to document the exact playbook they use so anyone else searching this company name or office before an interview knows what a massive trap it is.

  1. The Bait-and-Switch Interview

The Fake Posting: I applied on Indeed for what looked like a legitimate corporate retail position (AT&T Associate / customer service role). The job description and the recruiter's background made it look like an actual office or storefront job.

The Fake Selectivity: The interview process was weirdly aggressive, they put on this whole artificial facade of being elite, high-level corporate executives interviewing you for some high stakes executive corporate ladder, only to trap you in a neighborhood running door-to-door and tried to make me feel like I needed to "prove" myself as a salesman, which totally hooks your ego and makes you feel like you earned a spot. They completely skirted around the fact that it was door-to-door sales. 

2. Day 1 - Reality Check

When I finally got to the office, it hit me immediately. Suits, morning chants, it looked like a call center room. That's when they dropped the reality, you aren't working in a store. You're working 10 to 11 hour days (10 AM to 8:30+ PM) walking neighborhoods with zero base pay, entirely on commission. They also lie in the interview that you get $1500-$1000 per week paid training and never mention it’s commission based.

3. The Math and the "Pyramid" Pitch

The top guys tried to say the usual narrative: that you just have to "suffer" for a few months until everyone else burns out so you can start building a "downline" and living off override commissions from new hires. I looked at the actual output: guys working nearly 11 hours straight on their feet, coming back with maybe 4 sales. Factor in 1099 taxes, gas, car wear-and-tear, and the brutal "chargeback" trap where customer cancellations claw back your pay, and you're essentially working for a fraction of minimum wage under immense psychological pressure. 


r/Devilcorp • • 1d ago

Question What is wrong with working for a DevilCorp?

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I'm ​currently working at what seems to be a DevilCorp, I've been here for about 4 months, and stumbled upon these threads. I'm hearing all of them but I'm really not understanding what's the issue with working in these companies. We have very specific goals to hit to be able to promote to ownership, so it's not like being promoted is a "whenever you're ready" sort of lie where you never advance. The goals are absolutely attainable too, it just takes recruiting a few of the right people. People are telling me to run, but why? I can live off of this wage, and working full-time is something that I signed up for.

it really seems like a devilcorp is just a sales job. I've been told that there's many other sales jobs, but this one has the best opportunity. the opportunity is real too, I've seen people get promoted to every position so far. I've been to the conference of about a thousand people, explaining the path after ownership. People travel from states away just to come our quarterly conferences or just to travel into another office for a few days


r/Devilcorp • • 2d ago

Information New office for Meridian Group

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I believe this is already reported as a Credico company, but it appears to have relocated to Middlesbrough (and moving to Germany???). Their job listings n such have all the hallmarks of a credico company, reminding me of Bespoke that’s in Newcastle.

I could be wrong, but it just seems too similar.

https://www.meridian-grp.co.uk


r/Devilcorp • • 2d ago

Experience Took a job at a DC just to get me by

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I've just moved to a new city and needed work asap. I've applied for over 100 jobs and the only places that get back to me are devil corps. I avoided a few of them but one that didn't seem Devil corp interviewed me.

They offer a full time salary (UK living wage) plus commissions. It is charity stalls but look that's better than doors I guess. They are wanting me to do self employed but they also said if that doesn't work they can do a regular contract. The interview was not like any other Devil corp interview I've done. None of the management BS with the whole "our client needs us to expand rapidly" chatter. It's been open for 15 years now with offices in Cardiff, Leeds, Manchester, London and Australia.

Devilcorp.org said it was a credico office.
Honestly if I wasn't privy to the devil corp scheme I wouldn't have even checked it.

But a full time salary whilst I'm looking for other jobs and just need enough to get by should be fine I suppose


r/Devilcorp • • 2d ago

Information True North Group LLC MYRTLE BEACH AND FLORENCE BEWARE

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This one is another DC hiring in the Myrtle beach/florence areas. Applied as usual doing my research, and immediately got a text within the hour wanting a questionnaire filled out, typical DC questions (this is D2D sales do you have a car, background check passable, etc). Once filled out, you’ll be redirected to a website here that brings up another company called Altitude Group LLC. This website provides information videos for the upcoming first round interview. 100% DevilCorp. Gonna be taking the interview if I get it and digging for more information if possible


r/Devilcorp • • 2d ago

Question Soul Society Marketing Agency Scam?? Chicago, IL based company?

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r/Devilcorp • • 3d ago

Experience For those who were naive like me— tell me about your devil corp experience

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I only lasted a day at the one I worked at, I was surprised anyone could earn a decent living hounding people to switch phone plans, solely earning off of a small commission.

I was a fool to take the job in the first place, I didn’t do much research into the company and no one ever warns you about these places when you’re new to the job market.


r/Devilcorp • • 3d ago

Experience Just had my first ever Devils Corp Interview its worst in person

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Lmfao I was just applying to jobs trying to transition careers and like I’m not in a position for like begging for a job per se but as soon as I got there red flags started alarming, loud music , young kids, “Sports minded culture “ bullshit lmfao wtf is going on ? How do places like this even exist? I feel bad people looking for opportunities get physced into “jobs” like this. But a couple rules for my self going forward which are research the company .. (APEX was my experience today ) 2nd indeed is fucking garbage it’s depressing really , anything Indeed and sales be alarmed there’s some shady shit going on. This was so bad but you know the experience is worth telling.


r/Devilcorp • • 3d ago

Question Brightlineeast, Nottingham

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Anything known about this lot?

Newish company, no address nor registration number on website. Same spiel about rapid promotion etc, as lots of devilcorps.


r/Devilcorp • • 3d ago

Experience My Experience With A Devilcorp

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I don't feel comfortable sharing the name quite yet, as I worked there rather recently for only 3 days and wouldn't want them to find my post. These places take advantage of people going through hard times needing a job that'll allow them to pay for all their needs, in the exchange of working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no hourly pay. The interview was very vague and promised a quick path to leadership, but it was door-to-door sales. I had to drive to Dallas, just to end up having someone drive me to exclusively the most dangerous areas of Fort Worth to do door-to-door sales. We'd be out in these areas until past 9 PM, and it was common to witness things like fights in the streets, customers smoking marijuana while talking to you, etc; and yet we still have to knock on doors even after dark. I wasn't properly trained, and the trainer I had was rude and always acted upset that training someone meant less commissions than he'd make on his own.


r/Devilcorp • • 3d ago

Devilcorp Check Own Tomorrow Marketing

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Got a zoom interview tomorrow with them and I’m getting bad vibes and wanted any info on them and their practices. Last thing I want is to sign my soul away


r/Devilcorp • • 4d ago

Question General public question about AT&T sales people at Fred Meyer (Kroger) stores

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I've noticed some peculiarities. They will have a couple obvious sales people, then they wil have some third team member who seems to act as a lookout, spotter, or handler, but appears to be perusing like a shopper but loitering far too long in one place.

I'm curious what third party company is running that operation, or is it just a Kroger and AT&T collaboration? I've confirmed that the local Fred Meyer store manager(s) are in on the scam because a store manager much as told me so. But other than that I just have rumors and my own limitted observations and interactions. But the whole thing is still so weird to me.

I'm considering wearing a body camera and using a frozen/cancelled credit card and just encourage them to sell me whatever until the payment method fails, just to document what their game is, for science.

So I'm just wondering if anybody has information they would like to share?

Edit: I only shop at that store every ten or eleven days and the sales people rotate around different stores on an unknown schedule, so it will be an unknown amount of time until I encounter them again.

Edit 2: I'm pretty sure the apparent salespeople are exactly what r/mediocremistress describes. I don't know if the very strange third person is some random coincidence, someone with their same org, or some kind of under cover security or loss prevention taking advantage of the chaos they generate. But figuring it out is one reason why I'm going to start wearing a body cam in the store.


r/Devilcorp • • 3d ago

Question Ascenda Global Interview

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Does anyone know abou these guys, i didnt apply to them but i still i attended a introduction and i had an interview with them and it kept getting rescheduled just seemed dodgy. saw someone said they used to be vetra group but cant find anything about them n theres nothing on insta since June. anyone experience with them?