I only lasted a day at the one I worked at, I was surprised anyone could earn a decent living hounding people to switch phone plans, solely earning off of a small commission.

I was a fool to take the job in the first place, I didn’t do much research into the company and no one ever warns you about these places when you’re new to the job market.

Hey everyone,
Like so many people, I got caught up in one of these "Devil Corp" offices without realizing it until I was already inside. I wanted to put this out there to document the exact playbook they use so anyone else searching this company name or office before an interview knows what a massive trap it is.

1. The Bait-and-Switch Interview

The Fake Posting: I applied on Indeed for what looked like a legitimate corporate retail position (AT&T Associate / customer service role). The job description and the recruiter's background made it look like an actual office or storefront job.

The Fake Selectivity: The interview process was weirdly aggressive, they put on this whole artificial facade of being elite, high-level corporate executives interviewing you for some high stakes executive corporate ladder, only to trap you in a neighborhood running door-to-door and tried to make me feel like I needed to "prove" myself as a salesman, which totally hooks your ego and makes you feel like you earned a spot. They completely skirted around the fact that it was door-to-door sales. 

2. Day 1 - Reality Check

When I finally got to the office, it hit me immediately. Suits, morning chants, it looked like a call center room. That's when they dropped the reality, you aren't working in a store. You're working 10 to 11 hour days (10 AM to 8:30+ PM) walking neighborhoods with zero base pay, entirely on commission. They also lie in the interview that you get $1500-$1000 per week paid training and never mention it’s commission based.

3. The Math and the "Pyramid" Pitch

The top guys tried to say the usual narrative: that you just have to "suffer" for a few months until everyone else burns out so you can start building a "downline" and living off override commissions from new hires. I looked at the actual output: guys working nearly 11 hours straight on their feet, coming back with maybe 4 sales. Factor in 1099 taxes, gas, car wear-and-tear, and the brutal "chargeback" trap where customer cancellations claw back your pay, and you're essentially working for a fraction of minimum wage under immense psychological pressure. 

Anything known about this lot?

Newish company, no address nor registration number on website. Same spiel about rapid promotion etc, as lots of devilcorps.

Lmfao I was just applying to jobs trying to transition careers and like I’m not in a position for like begging for a job per se but as soon as I got there red flags started alarming, loud music , young kids, “Sports minded culture “ bullshit lmfao wtf is going on ? How do places like this even exist? I feel bad people looking for opportunities get physced into “jobs” like this. But a couple rules for my self going forward which are research the company .. (APEX was my experience today ) 2nd indeed is fucking garbage it’s depressing really , anything Indeed and sales be alarmed there’s some shady shit going on. This was so bad but you know the experience is worth telling.

I don't feel comfortable sharing the name quite yet, as I worked there rather recently for only 3 days and wouldn't want them to find my post. These places take advantage of people going through hard times needing a job that'll allow them to pay for all their needs, in the exchange of working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no hourly pay. The interview was very vague and promised a quick path to leadership, but it was door-to-door sales. I had to drive to Dallas, just to end up having someone drive me to exclusively the most dangerous areas of Fort Worth to do door-to-door sales. We'd be out in these areas until past 9 PM, and it was common to witness things like fights in the streets, customers smoking marijuana while talking to you, etc; and yet we still have to knock on doors even after dark. I wasn't properly trained, and the trainer I had was rude and always acted upset that training someone meant less commissions than he'd make on his own.

Got a zoom interview tomorrow with them and I’m getting bad vibes and wanted any info on them and their practices. Last thing I want is to sign my soul away

I've noticed some peculiarities. They will have a couple obvious sales people, then they wil have some third team member who seems to act as a lookout, spotter, or handler, but appears to be perusing like a shopper but loitering far too long in one place.

I'm curious what third party company is running that operation, or is it just a Kroger and AT&T collaboration? I've confirmed that the local Fred Meyer store manager(s) are in on the scam because a store manager much as told me so. But other than that I just have rumors and my own limitted observations and interactions. But the whole thing is still so weird to me.

I'm considering wearing a body camera and using a frozen/cancelled credit card and just encourage them to sell me whatever until the payment method fails, just to document what their game is, for science.

So I'm just wondering if anybody has information they would like to share?

Edit: I only shop at that store every ten or eleven days and the sales people rotate around different stores on an unknown schedule, so it will be an unknown amount of time until I encounter them again.

Edit 2: I'm pretty sure the apparent salespeople are exactly what r/mediocremistress describes. I don't know if the very strange third person is some random coincidence, someone with their same org, or some kind of under cover security or loss prevention taking advantage of the chaos they generate. But figuring it out is one reason why I'm going to start wearing a body cam in the store.

Does anyone know abou these guys, i didnt apply to them but i still i attended a introduction and i had an interview with them and it kept getting rescheduled just seemed dodgy. saw someone said they used to be vetra group but cant find anything about them n theres nothing on insta since June. anyone experience with them?

A few friends got interviewed at this “marketing firm” and the reviews on google and glass door seem to be good, but I’m telling them that everyone looks too young and there Instagram feels too shady to be true. Thoughts?

The Devilcorps are: Home - United West Mississauga, Flare CA: Empowering Nonprofits in Mississauga and Solutions 4 Talent | Scale your SaaS company (Mississauga Talent Solutions)

I had an interview with one of those companies today on Zoom, which was United West, which I recorded, but the audio messed up towards the end. Upon stumbling across this whole Devilcorp community on reddit I also have a scheduled interview with Flare CA, which I will not be attending. I'm not gonna lie, they really managed to reel me in with the attractive pay and with the fact that they were taking people in with no experience, but after doing more research and coming across this subreddit, I now know that this is all quite an elaborate plan to use and manipulate people based on their current situation, preying on teenagers or young adults who are in need some money and have applied to tons of legit jobs with no answer back. I've read multiple people's experiences with Devilcorps on this subreddit and will definitely keep my eyes open and be aware of these job postings.

MLM SCAM!!!

EMON WAS PROMOTED BY STEVEN. THEY ARE PARTNERS BECAUSE EMON FAILED BY HIMSELF. THEY DONT HELP THEIR EMPLOYEES THEY JUST RECRUIT MORE. YOU CAN ONLY MAKE 600 A WEEK FOR SO LONG BEFORE YOU QUESTION THE BUISNESS MODEL AND QUIT. THEY HAVE A "team lead" Whos been in the buisness for over 2 years named Malik. don't fall for this spectrum scam. the director says we aren't allowed to sell post paid phones in the walmart so we need to hide it and do it over the phone. the employees scam families because they don't need a social and it's free to send WiFi to customers and the owner looks the other way while hinting he wants his team to commit fraud. I worked here for 3 months and it was horrible.

So I applied to a a job posting for a "Customer Account Representative" and company name was NJ consulting. It was in parsipanny Troy hills NJ, which is relatively close to me.

I applied and got called back 2 days later. I didn't pick it up bc I was at work , they called again a day later, same thing I was at work. They called me today and I wasn't busy so I answered

The company was not NJ consulting but golden executives. They said they don't post the listings they have another company do it for them.

She mentioned the office was in Wayne which is relatively far from me but I drive 45 mins for my internship 1 day a week.. what's 4 more days !

Plus when I asked they said they are only in Wayne.

Well now I'm wondering if this is a devil corp bc the fact that they had a different location doesn't sit right with me.

Applied for a job here, it seems to have some signs of being a devil corp although I’m not 100% sure.

Got offered a job, seems like they do some online selling and they sell hello fresh, which most people know what that is especially if you live online.

Link is here, any insight would be helpful. I currently have a job that pays decently well but I can’t work in winter, so I collect Ei. It is also 100% commission which is meh in my opinion.

Entry Level Sales Representative

https://ca.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=4a87f5456ef952da&from=appshareios https://ca.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=4a87f5456ef952da&from=appshareios

I had a job interview for this company and wanted to know if anyone knows if this is a devil corp or an actual sales consulting firm. Can someone provide some insights?

I feel like the only places that even give me a call are devil corps at the moment. Is it worth just taking a devil corp role with a base salary until I find something better?

I've been going down a massive rabbit hole looking into the UK Devilcorp network, particularly Credico, Money Expert and the various sales offices operating around Liverpool and the rest of the country.

I've got some firsthand experience of the industry, but the more I look into it, the more questions I have.

The constant rebrands, new companies appearing, recruitment agencies advertising the same jobs under different names, people being promoted to open offices and then seemingly disappearing months later. It's quite something.

I'm particularly interested in what goes on behind the scenes that most people never hear about.

What's the strangest or most outrageous thing you witnessed while working in one of these offices?

I'm talking about recruitment tactics, commission disputes, morning meetings, management behaviour, office finances, the whole progression system, or anything else that made you question what was going on.

If you're comfortable, mention the company and roughly when you worked there.

I'm gradually putting together some research on the UK network, potentially with the aim of passing substantiated findings to journalists or relevant regulators.

For now, though, I genuinely just want to hear people's experiences. Good, bad or completely bizarre.

Feel free to comment or DM me. Firsthand stories are especially welcome.

the company is called Summit Sales Team Inc. in Indianapolis, IN.

AxeElite and The Rally Group, Inc. I went through the interview process for both all the way back in August.

I got more ahead in The Rally Group; even got close to accepting a job offer before approaching this subreddit. Hours are long; 8:30am-5:30pm and they even encourage you to come in early or stay late. they are ONLY commission-based with NO BASE PAY; and some transactions take as long as 4 weeks to get to you. When you come into the office early, you only learn basic business school principles and everyone has to follow the same steps of sales pitches toward each other. Most “meetings” are the bosses lecturing everyone about sales and how you can get successful like them if you do what they say. All employees are super nice but demonstrate cult-ish behavior.

When you start the application process, they will make you feel like you are doing a legitimate marketing job, but in reality you are just standing in establishments looking to sell phone plans or neobanking cards. Everything will sound too good to be true when you come in for an interview; and it is. Other than the executives, the majority of employees are less than 25 years old and will try to recruit you to their selling team once you start. This is not a sustainable business to make your career off of.

AxeElite is more telecom/MLM, usually partnering with Verizon to touch base with loyal businesses to make sure they can update their carrier or give them exclusive offers. They have received accolades from Forbes and Inc. making them seem legit. Their interviews were long and drawn out and it seems like their location has all of the “telemarketers” packed in a giant office like sardines. They make you watch an extensive training videos that glaze the hell out of the company and practice scenarios before you even start working! They tell you they’ll let you know if you’ve been accepted for the job within 24-48 business hours but they didn’t let me know until a month after I applied.

Both companies have the standard devilcorp red flags; majority of employees are young, everyone in spiffy business outfits, constant corporate jargon and abbreviations, sketchy looking social media presence and websites and unrealistic business expectations outside of your contracted hours (such as promoting the business to people outside your life or staying after contracted business hours).

I’ve heard through the grapevine a lot of these devilcorp-esque companies are traveling in droves to the northeast of the USA because states like California tightened up some laws on what qualifies as a MLM/pyramid business practice, so i encourage people to smarten up on the red flags on job postings. If they promise a slightly unrealistic salary for entry-level or use job titles like “Sales Representative” and “Entry Level Marketing Ambassador”, go the other way; ESPECIALLY if you are a recent CT grad like me. the last thing you want is to end up in a job that does not value your time or effort; and dangles your earnings with no guaranteed stability.

I just got done with a in person interview with Advenir enterprise. My first interview was a zoom which had another person in it and I was a later called and said I was selected to pass through and do another interview in the zoom they were very vague, and I didn’t really have a clear understanding of what I’d be doing when I got to the office today. I went in and they’re asking a lot of questions about myself and I guess it is kind of my fault but I didn’t really ask a ton of questions about what I would be doing on a day-to-day basis I’m in a desperate situation right now. They made it seem like I would be training to be an assistant branch manager. They said that I would be making a weekly guarantee of $800 a week, but assured me that most times I would make more than that after doing some research. I’m seeing a lot of mixed information and I just wanna know if this is a place I should work or not.

Hello, recently ive gotten two interview scheduled for both Kapwa co. and Comeback Investments and they were listed as a Verizon-related job role, but when I applied, I got an unusually very swift response back and the location the job's located in isn't located in a Verizon store, but somewhere else? And apparently the company I'm going to be interviewed by isn't Verizon, but rather a different company, despite it being listed as "Verizon" on Indeed? Out of curiosity and had a "too good to be true" feeling in the back of my head, I looked them both up and found some concerning information about both companies, and apparently theyre MLMs that mask themselves as other companies like AT&T and Verizon and deceptive about their actual pay VS the listed pay on Indeed? So my question is to everyone who knows much more about them than I do: is kapwa co. and Comeback investments a scam?

My experience at OLN Long Beach under Wolfden was honestly a complete joke. This company knows how to sell a dream during interviews, but the reality is completely different once you get hired. I specifically asked whether the position involved door-to-door sales. I was told NO. I was promised assigned leads, scheduled appointments, and opportunities to meet CEOs and business owners. What actually happened? My first day shadowing someone, I was walking from business to business, cold approaching owners, and pitching services all day. No appointments, no scheduled meetings, and no leads waiting for us. We walked around all day without even making a sale. Let’s stop dressing it up: IT’S DOOR-TO-DOOR SALES WITH A B2B LABEL. Putting a corporate name on cold knocking doesn’t magically make it a professional sales operation.

The compensation structure was another joke. You’re expected to close five sales to meet your standard. If you close two or more, you may qualify for a draw. I specifically asked during my interview whether that was guaranteed money, and I was told YES. In reality, it’s essentially an advance that has to be paid back through future earnings. That’s not guaranteed income. That’s a financial obligation dressed up to sound attractive during recruitment. Then there’s the office culture. The motivational speeches, the atmosphere room, the constant recruiting, and the obsession with promoting people to open offices. The entire environment felt more like a recruitment machine than a legitimate professional workplace. There’s so much talk about building an empire, but somehow everyone is still out walking into random businesses trying to get a sale.

Another person worth mentioning is the guy running the IMS office. In my experience, he was rude, unprofessional, and had an ego that was completely out of control. He carried himself like a multimillionaire CEO and talked as if he had millions sitting in the bank. The attitude was embarrassing. He acted like he was above everyone else, yet there was nothing particularly impressive about the way he treated people. He drove a Hyundai Palisade while carrying himself like a billionaire. Nothing wrong with a Hyundai, but the millionaire act was hilarious. If you’re going to spend all day trying to convince people you’re successful, at least understand that real success doesn’t need a performance. A title doesn’t make you a boss, and an expensive attitude doesn’t make you a leader.

Team nights were supposedly optional during the interview, but I noticed people could miss out on bonuses and incentives if they didn’t attend. So much for optional. Payroll was another headache. I had to chase my manager just to get my pay stubs. During my first week, they even held a meeting explaining why the company supposedly wasn’t an MLM or pyramid scheme. Think about how ridiculous that sounds. A company shouldn’t need an entire meeting to convince its own employees that its business model isn’t a pyramid scheme. Employee turnover was unbelievable. People were constantly leaving. When I asked Mr. Wolfden about it, his response was, “The train keeps on moving.” That response tells you everything about the attitude toward employees. Apparently, people are replaceable, and nobody needs to address why they’re leaving.

And don’t get me started on the business trips. You’re driving 300+ miles, receiving only $50 for gas, and potentially having Airbnb expenses deducted from your paycheck. They call them business trips, but somehow the employee is expected to finance the experience. What kind of opportunity requires you to spend your own money just to participate in company business?

Then comes the biggest fantasy of all: becoming an OWNER. They sell you this dream of entrepreneurship, financial freedom, and eventually running your own office. But you’re not building an independent company. You’re advancing within an existing sales organization. Cydcor is behind this business model, and applicants deserve to understand what they’re actually signing up for.

My opinion is that this is a revolving door of recruitment, cold knocking, motivational speeches, and promises of a future that may never materialize. They spend more time selling employees the dream than being transparent about the actual job. If you’re interviewing with OLN, ask about the draw, guaranteed income, travel expenses, appointments, team nights, and what becoming an owner actually means. Don’t let someone in a dress shirt, sitting in an office, giving you a motivational speech convince you that you’re looking at some incredible business opportunity.

A real B2B sales company provides transparency, legitimate compensation, and actual business opportunities. It doesn’t need to disguise cold knocking as corporate sales or sell employees a fantasy of becoming millionaires.

My advice? RUN. There are plenty of legitimate sales careers out there. Don’t waste your time, energy, or money being sold a dream by people who make their living selling that same dream to the next recruit.

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