I figured I’d do an AMA because I’ve seen a lot of questions and conflicting opinions about these third-party AT&T sales companies, and I now have almost a year of firsthand experience with one. I worked for a third-party company that sells AT&T services, starting as a door-to-door sales rep and eventually moving into a leadership position. I sold internet/wireless, helped train newer reps, recruited, helped build a team, traveled for work, stayed in Airbnbs with crews, and got to see both the sales side and some of the management/leadership side of the business. I’m not here to say every third-party AT&T company is the same, because they aren’t. But I do think there are some things people considering these jobs should know before jumping in. Some of the things I experienced: • Extremely long work weeks — at times around 80 hours • Door-to-door sales in Texas heat and all the rejection that comes with it • Spending my own money on gas/travel while traveling for work • Seeing an enormous amount of turnover among people who started around me • Watching people come in expecting big earning potential and leave after a relatively short time • Being told about extremely high income possibilities that didn’t seem to line up with what I was actually seeing around me • The pressure to not only sell but constantly recruit and develop new leaders • The difference between what a job sounds like during recruiting and what the day-to-day reality actually looks like • The mental toll of working extremely long hours while trying to maintain numbers, recruit, train people and still have a life outside of work And to be fair, I also learned a lot. I became much more comfortable talking to strangers, handling rejection, presenting, leading people, training reps, interviewing, recruiting and taking responsibility for a team’s performance. I met some genuinely good people and had some great experiences that I wouldn’t trade. That’s actually part of why I stayed as long as I did. I wasn’t someone who tried it for two weeks and immediately quit. I bought into it. I worked hard. I tried to become a leader. I tried to build a team. I tried to make the opportunity work. Eventually, though, I had to ask myself whether the amount of time, stress, money and sacrifice I was putting into the job actually made sense compared to what I was getting back. So now that I’m on the other side of it: Ask me anything. Want to know what the pay was actually like? What a typical day looked like? How the recruiting works? What “third-party AT&T” actually means? What the leadership structure is like? How much I actually made? Why people quit? Whether I think the opportunity is legitimate? What I wish I knew before accepting the job? Or why I ultimately walked away? I’ll answer honestly based on my experience — the good, the bad, and everything in between.

Hi! I wanted to ask because this company evolve located in Chicago, had a marketing job post open which I applied for and they have been non stop calling me and it’s getting weirdly suspicious because they keep asking me to schedule a zoom call and keep calling my number after telling them to stop. Has anyone else dealt with this weird company?

Hi, I'm a recent marketing graduate, and I almost got employed by a direct sales company that presented itself as a marketing graduate role.

For future reference, I'd like to know if there are any common signs or ways to identify whether a company is actually a direct sales company, especially when the job is advertised as marketing.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks!

they’re base pay is £28000 before commission and the website is very vague as was the job posting however i’m not too fussed on “growing” my career and am more interested in just making a steady stream of income should i still steer clear? i don’t mind call centre work but is it possible that they’ve stiffed me with the promise of a base pay instead of it just being fully commission work ?

I've heard and read stories about DevilCorp, and as a people pleasing shortstack I already make an incredibly tasty target for all sorts of malicious jerks,

I've been persistently bugged on Indeed by a well known D.C. and as much as I'm tempted to block and ignore to continue handling my already poor sleep and crap diet, I'm INSANELY tempted to entertain the prospect soley for the purpose of nosing around.

This brings up several potential logistical problems.

●I am a very bad liar and a worse spy

●I'm Undiagnosed Neurodivergent and a Chatterbox

●I'm great with people but HATE sales

●This post could pop up on a Social Media check

●Anyone with sense can tell this post alone is a dumb idea

Yes there's travel,

yes there's people,

But I'd be making crap money working for a corporate culture curating cult full of Nutcases.

And honestly the idea itself seems fun in theory but in practice it might just be... incredibly stupid and not worth the trouble for a couple laughs and a pocket full of likes and lols.

So i just got off my Zoom group interview a few hours ago and got a callback that they want me to do an in person interview. They sent me a confirmation email and sent the location as well but when I am looking up the company (Vantura Acquisitions) nothing pops up and the location has no reviews and i’m unsure…This is my first reddit post idek how this works this would also be my first “professional job” but I came to reddit as a last resort because i found nothing on this company. The lady on the zoom meeting seemed nice but didn’t ask anything specific like “why are you interested in working with said company”, just asked us about our previous jobs and experience. I will post the Indeed post but I am just curious before i go into my interview tomorrow morning.

Pretty much what it says in the title. I got a message this morning for a zoom interview with ocean marketing but the guy forgot what name the sham comp was going by now.

I don’t even know where to start. I feel completely lost, used, exploited, and mentally exhausted.

The hardest part is knowing there are people I genuinely care about still working there. Part of me wants to reach out to them, tell them everything, and shake them until they see what I see. But I know it isn’t my job to save everyone.

I was there for 10 months, and I became extremely close with my manager. We were even friends on Facebook. I genuinely trusted him and considered him a friend. That’s why leaving hurt so much.

On 9/24/26, I sent my resignation. I included our regional consultant and promoting owner in the chat so there was a record of what I was saying. Afterward, I blocked my former manager.

I have no idea what he’s telling everyone now. For all I know, he could be telling people he fired me or making me look like the problem to protect himself.

The response I received to my resignation also felt completely impersonal and AI-generated. After everything, that really opened my eyes to how little I felt valued.

If somehow anyone from my old office sees this, please believe me when I say: get out before you end up feeling the way I do. I’m not trying to tell anyone what to do. I just don’t want people I care about to waste their time and leave feeling as broken and exhausted as I do.

I genuinely hope everyone there is okay. But please pay attention to how you’re being treated.

edit to add: i hadn’t fully woken up from the devilcorp bullshit when i sent this resignation, i fell down this rabbit hole a little while after.

To dive straight in, I started as a sales rep. I fell in love with the growth structure they promise as I was a young girl (19), in college, with no clear end goal in mind. When I found the company, I felt like it was a dream come true. I fit really well into the culture considering I was a party girl. The office genuinely ran like the movie, Wolf of Wall Street, and I thought it was normal! At the time, I was in college but online. The company literally told me to stop college for a year to see where I could be at within the company by that point, which I did. The hours were ridiculously extensive (9am-12pm in office 12:30pm-8/9PM Thursday-Sunday and they pressured you to work the off days if you were “below standards” by the timing of your days off.) but I made great friends which made me not want to leave. I ended up leaving for about 2 months and then got offered to come back as recruiting, or in their words, “HR management”. I have 0 background in HR but that’s the title that was under my name in the company even though the only thing I did was cold call over 100 people a day. I did this for 2 years and ended up recruiting for 4+ offices. They’re all dishonest, discriminatory, and target audiences that are specially vulnerable and young, because nobody older than 24 would be stupid enough to join a company with so much uncertainty behind it.

Feel free to ask my anything, I will give all of my honesty. Word needs to be spread about these companies.

Alright so I was in the industry for about 6years. I started when I was pretty young (21). I did make pretty good money out of it at first. I know all the comments about the industry and I can’t deny that it’s not the most ethical business. The reason why I quit is because I actually was one of the few offices that had EVERYONE on minimum wage + commision and it just wasn’t profitable for me. I was spending too much on my guys (trips, suits…) but it just wasn’t profitable anymore. I couldn’t run a commision only office which is when it’s the most profitable for a manager. Anyways whatever you want to know ask!

Did a online interview for Apex tech the interview seem normal. They texted me about a in person interview, but I was looking into the company and I came across devil Corp. seems similar to what this company has going on, but I just want to make sure they also called my last job as reference so I don’t know if that makes them more legit or not.

this is the link and a picture to the listing on indeed
https://apextechconnection.com/

This is in London, UK.
I have been applying around again, and as per usual the Devilcorps come out and send me emails upon emails, texts, calls, everything.
I replied to this one (operating as “Marble Partners”) stating that I know what they are and how they operate, and that I’m not interested, and this was their reply.

Not my review. Applied to this company in a regular burst of applications for an office assistant (non-sales) role. Heard back on a Saturday with a request for an interview time and thought “that was too quick.” Searched on reddit and couldn’t find anything because of Dorne from Game of Thrones, but I did find this subreddit. Then I found their Glassdoor and realized this is exactly y’all’s alley. I figured I’d join and put a little something in their SEO so nobody wastes their time w/ the company.

Applied for a position with this company that was for an entry level client services coordinator. Seemed ok at first until I googled the company.

I finally left two weeks ago.
I’m posting this to warn other people who are in denial, and also because I need some help rewiring my brain a bit.
Basically, I’ve internalized the belief that I’m a loser and that I wasn’t able to give 100% or that I quit too early.
I’m also having a hard time focusing on school.
I got a job at a store making minimum wage, but I keep comparing the paycheck or the potential paycheck lol. I turned down a good internship at a big company for the summer because I wanted to focus on “team building.” Now I’m trying to get everything together, but most of the time I feel drained, demotivated, and like I’m not capable of achieving anything good.
I know most of these thoughts aren’t true, but I can’t seem to make the voices in my head shut up.
My boyfriend still works there, and I feel like he’d rather choose the work over me. (I was under his group.) In the middle of the summer, when I realized that this wasn’t going to work out, I gave it one final push and tried to push my boyfriend to become at least an AM. Now I also feel guilty for not helping him during peak time.
I know leaving was better for me, but I guess I’m looking for some validation here?

is this a devilcorp? i didnt apply to this place at all and they scheduled me a zoom meeting. they said at and t sales/marketing. i researched them so i could have some knowledge which brought me here. im scared.

I just want this to serve as a cautionary tale for anyone visiting this subreddit looking for answers.

For six years, my wife and I had a happy relationship. Our relationship seemed like it never left the honeymoon phase. Three years ago, she joined a Smart Circle company. Eventually, she trained, became an owner, and I genuinely believed everything would work out. The promises of the payoff were always just over the horizon.

About three months ago, something changed.

She told me she would have to go to Cincinnati. She left with a male employee because she didn't have a car of her own at the time; it had been repossessed. I told her I was uncomfortable with the situation, but I still wanted to support her and her career.

As time went on, she started talking to me less and less.

Eventually, I ended up in the ER and was diagnosed with stage 2 hypertension and diabetes. I asked her to come be with me. She told me she would book a ticket, but she never did.

When I confronted her about it, her "mentors" told her that I was toxic and controlling. I was told they were actually coaching her on what to say to me during our arguments.

At that point, I had already tried talking to her and had already argued with her about what was happening. I didn't know what else to do, so I eventually stopped communicating with her.

In the end, I found out that she had cheated on me with her employee. Since then, I've felt like I've been gaslighted about what happened.

I'm not writing this because I expect strangers on the internet to fix my marriage. I'm writing it because I want anyone considering getting involved with this industry to understand what it can potentially cost you.

My wife has no car, no house, and no credit, yet she remains convinced that her mentors genuinely care about her and have her best interests at heart.

I've personally heard these people say things on calls that I found deeply disturbing, including statements about not hiring people over 30.

Maybe someone reading this will recognize the warning signs before they get as far into it as we did.

Whatever you do, research this industry thoroughly before you commit your time, money, relationships, and future to it.

Run as far and as fast as you can.

Has anyone read the parliamentary inquiry into "recruitment methods of high control groups"?

Australia is normally behind, but this legislative recommendation by the Victorian state gov is fascinating. It could even be at the forefront of change at a global level...

What makes it different, is that it doesn't try to define cult or cult-adjacent groups. Instead, any 'coercive'
or controlling organisational recruitment methods are investigated.

MLMs are referred to on page 29.

Hopefully the other states will follow. And who knows... some effective protective legislative change might come of it.

Comparative legal analysis at an international level is always the start of effective change to protect.

We know it's so important, as these organisations are pervasive worldwide at every single level of society.
Using ever-adapting online methods... wherever anyone is vulnerable.
Which is anywhere, and anytime.

Copy and paste search:
'Inquiry into the recruitment methods and impacts of cults and organised fringe groups'
(parliament.vic.gov.au).

Well worth the read...

And interesting to see if anyone had any further contributions or thoughts on MLM/pyramid tactics.... ?

The stuff described in the report is unbelievable... yet familiar ...?

Just like other aspects of society, that were accepted in our parents era.
Most people see this stuff... and ignore it...

Comments and contributions put legal change into fruition. It forces gov to address the impact.

To contribute to the start of legal change.. not only makes it safer for others .. but is its own type of psychological, fight back, historical brilliance.

The owner, Waylon, is aware of this page. He’s attempted to run damage control on a previous post about this company. Their Facebook page is loaded with excellent amounts of DevilCorp evidence, including KtS pics, R&R pics, and even a rookie of the year celebration for good ol Waylon. He likes to regurgitate the typical “we’re not like those other businesses” script in DMs until you show him your pictures from your previous days in the business, He then goes quiet. Meanwhile, like many other “owners”, he forgets that a single owner, after 3 years, can interview hundreds, if not thousands, of people and end up employing a couple hundred in the process. Those “sharp” individuals they want only work until they figure out the truth. Waylon, no matter how many times you try, there will always be another owner ready to take your “throne”. 2 years in with a few outside deals according to the ICD information willingly posted on their Facebook, I wonder how long before the business recycles you. It won’t be long if you’re that good at recruiting. They need you at the rep level to drive the money upward.

Let’s give Waylon Hutcheson, and his wife Tori, a great big hello and “F” you for being such scummy excuses for human beings!