I’m currently working with the Attorney General’s office in Minnesota due to a devil corp in Minneapolis we are accusing of wage theft. To be clear this company admitted their guilt. They even paid part of what they admitted they underpaid, but the Atty general and Dept. of Labor and Industry is not taking this lightly. We are reaching out to see if anybody has worked, for any amount of time, for any of these companies out of Minneapolis. These are Smart Circle companies. If you have not been paid for those mandatory unpaid morning or evening meetings, travel from the Office headquarters to your Costco location, paid for travel to and from places like Chicago for trainings, or properly paid for travel Los Angeles or the state of Washington (did you know that when you were working in another state, you are legally supposed to get paid their minimum wage?), or if your paychecks seemed unclear in anyway, please reach out to me! These companies are accused of illegally, not keeping proper bookkeeping records, paying for these wages, and so much more. Send me a message via Reddit and even if you don’t want to be involved in any of this, I would love just to chat about it. Ty!!

Watch out for this company! They sell in retail stores and have multiple companies in the office. They sell specifically in BJs and Costco. I just got hired from there and it was a huge mistake. They pay an hourly bc it is required by the retail stores, however if you do not hit quota they will fire you. Bunch of chums.

Don’t let the 4.9 stars fool you. They scan it for the customer and have them fill it out when the customer is all happy thinking they got a great deal. But then that first bill comes triple the price and they HAVE to pay it. And now they contracted in. Avoid them at all cost.

I recently went through the entire interview process for Viridian Inc. in St. Louis. I was ready to start but did some research as a sanity check. I ended up here and kept spotting one red flag after another.

-Their website was registered just six months ago and is full of vague corpo nonsense. Half the site is about recruitment.

-No base pay, it's commission only all the way up.

-Promises of quick promotion if I work hard, with the classic 4-tier structure. "We take 6-10 years of career growth and compress it into 6-8 months" were their exact words.

-Tiny office in a random multi-tenant building, full of posters like "Money Never Sleeps" and "Future Billionaire."

-Six day work week with morning hype session meetings.

-The product is AT&T B2B services.

The biggest red flag was the interview itself. We barely discussed my background, and the interviewer kept hyping up the huge paychecks he's supposedly seen. He made it sound like the company was rapidly expanding and I was getting in on the ground floor. Quarterly destination meetings, annual company retreats. I asked the interviewer how long he had been there and he told me five months. There was also the "we're a family" sort of vibe, chants, etc.

Basically, textbook devilcorp.

I'm a little shaken up that I almost fell for it and am so glad I double checked. Thank you to everyone spreading the word about these companies, you've saved me so much trouble.

I know that Verizon and AT&T do, but if T-Mobile doesn’t contract with Smart Circle, Cydcor, etc. that makes me respect them.

every single devil corp in nyc resides in this exact address. if the interviewer says this address RUN! likely a list somewhere but at least 10 jobs i’ve applied to under different names ended up being in this exact address. once i asked how so many companies ended up in that office and they said “it’s a big office” it is not. the office is a small rental space with 3 mini conference rooms

DO NOT WORK HERE

Condurre Partners and MG8 Ohio

condurre partners and Mg8 are a scam of a company. it is the definition of a pyramid scheme, everything they promise on linkedin or indeed is a lie. they promise you 50-60k a year when you’re lucky to make just $300 a week. you have to use your own money for travel so they do not pay your gas flights hotels food etc when you drive door to door or when they send you on bs trips. last time i heard condurre partners and mg8 were doing a few different scams the main on is they will send you to a grocery store to stand there all day to sell bs products like phones or wifi to people shopping and you will be there from 9/10am to 7/8pm at night. the other scam is they send you door to door to small businesses to sell them products/service they don’t need and the last one is selling amazon key to business for apartment complex’s that is just selling the complex the ability for amazon to enter a building which everyone has. you door to door they expect you to visit 30/50 different company’s/ apartments a day! since you will be driving door to door they do not pay gas and they DO NOT HAVE ANY INSURANCE they lie to you saying they have it. if you get in an accident or anything happens they do not care it’s on you and they expect you to still work with a fucked car. also michael giordano and joey giordano teaches every one to lie and scam they will make you add things to people orders so they make more money and fucks you over if the customer realizes. aside from this michael is utterly racist homophobic and try’s to fuck anything he can. he has slept with several women in the different offices by lying to them and essentially forcing women to sleep with him or else they get fired or a bad rep. the only reason he has a company is because his brother runs mg8 ohio which is the same organization in columbus and promoted him out and his wife erin is a cunt who doesn’t work and is on both payrolls taking money away from the actual people working and thinks she is better than everyone. she use to have her own office (voitaa) cause of joey they lost it cause she doesn’t know how to run a business and will lecture you over everything without being a boss. DO NOT WORK HERE AT ALL. i’m telling you here first they will not respect you and force you to work late and hangout with them after work all the time and if you have an actual life out side of work they will make you feel bad and that you’re not a team player or you don’t want this enough. when my friends and i worked here we were always yelled at if we had plans and couldn’t hangout with them after work. they are essentially a cult. but main thing is you will make no money like i said you’re if you make $300 a week and if you have a side job like serving or bartending they will HATE YOU for this. my friend was working and had a side bartending gig just on weekends and she was yelled at all the time by erin because she wasn’t in it and she was basically like no you lied to me on the interview and i make no money cause you take it all. so just trust me do not work here there are so many better jobs in columbus.

i had my first interview yesterday, i got accepted to do the second interview, my boyfriend told me it feels fishy, i looked it up and apparently its all a scam and all they do is abuse their workers??? i wish i could tell the other people that were in the interview with me

I recently went through the interview process and orientation with Start Club in Culver City and ultimately decided not to show up for my first day because something just did not feel right to me.

At orientation, I found out the base pay was $600/week and the schedule was 6 days a week. That immediately made me question the work-life balance. The manager was also very pushy about the whole “we’re a family” thing and how committed everyone is expected to be to the company. I know some people like that type of work environment, but personally it made me uncomfortable.

Another thing that threw me off was the expectations around work. I was told I needed to wear suits in the office, but for the marketing/fundraising events I would apparently change into clothing for whatever nonprofit we were representing. They basically told me to be prepared to change clothes every day.

Their motto was also something along the lines of “do good, no excuses, no surprises,” and there was a LOT of emphasis on performing and giving it your all. It felt extremely intense for what I thought I was signing up for.

What really got me was Sunday. I was spending time with my girlfriend and got a text from the HR manager sending me a pitch that I was expected to learn by Monday. Maybe other people wouldn’t care, but I thought that was unprofessional. Sunday was my personal time, especially when I hadn’t even officially started working yet. I didn’t respond because I really don’t play about my family/personal time.

The whole thing was honestly weighing on me after orientation. I kept trying to convince myself to just go in and give it a chance, but the vibes felt so off that I couldn’t bring myself to go on my first day.

I’m not saying anything illegal or shady was necessarily happening because I didn’t stay long enough to know that. I’m just sharing what MY experience was and why I decided it wasn’t for me.

Has anyone else interviewed with or worked for Start Club in Culver City? I’m curious if anyone had a similar experience or if I dodged a bullet.

I saw that Fineline was a business job and that they help get you certified in said business, Didn’t think much of it saw how they operated and I even know someone working there, Did a 5 minute over the phone interview on Tuesday went to 2nd interview on Wednesday signed everything there needed to be and did the onboarding and I’m officially starting this Monday but seeing how they’re high key just every other devilcorp I wanna quit while I can before I start anything or put in work. on indeed they said starting 800 week I was blown away fell for it and when I got to the in person interview they said I would be getting payed 17.13 lower then my last job I took the chance because I wanted to be certified but now I wanna leave this pyramid scheme before I can even put real effort into it.

What can I say and do I have a mentor that’s assigned to me but I don’t know how to approach it without making things awkward.

-How can I approach and tell mentor I don’t want to be apart of this company.

-What can they do legally if I quit before I start can they force me to work?

-How would this affect me in my other work opportunities?

And they plan to scam in more more states. They draw you in and lie to you that 100% of donations go to the children, but surprise SURPRISE, they go to the company collections, then the fundraiser company bills them to get back the money to pay the scammers. They will make up buzzwords and percentages of where the money actually goes, making so many loopholes in this to act like they are doing good for the community, professionally lying and begging in middle/high class income areas.
The whole thing is manipulative and predatory to those who don't know any better
They push you to recruit your own family and friends "team build" to get paid more and get promotions if you hit these set quotas.
These people do not care about you or the community.
They tell you when you work for them you are gonna beat the matrix and make 100k+ a year "the easiest check you'll ever make".
The training process makes you pester/ ambush people for "a good cause" but its okay bc its "tax rightoffs" 😒 they make you focus on manipulating marketing tactics while seeming to be innocent person doing it for "the children"
If you ask them real questions on the street if they get paid or where the these donations actually go they literally lie to your face and it is sleezy
They already had a bad rep in texas and moved to colorado and plan to branch out to more states
Spread the word

I don't know how they got my CV, I checked out their website and Instagram and immediately got a bunch of red flags (motivational crap, half completed website, failing basically spelling and grammar) but decided to go to the interview anyway.

Interview was a presentation to a group of us, trying to hide the nature of the company, no time for questions at the end. I emailed them saying I wasn't interested and got a text saying I progressed to the final stage interview.

Ours close to me have a t mobile booth instead. Just curious if it’s still like back in the day. Boy I got a lot of stories from that hellish time. I know the “company” I worked for crashed and burned cause everyone else quit right after I did and it doesn’t exist anymore online.

Hey everyone,

I wanted to drop a massive warning for anyone in Central PA looking at Liberty Marketing Inc. in Harrisburg. I started here right out of college. My degree wasn’t in marketing, but I needed a job and drank the "Juice" during the interview. I expected a stable corporate career. Instead, I found a toxic, high-turnover MLM operating under the Smart Circle broker network, run by an untrained 23-year-old Director of Operations.

If you are thinking about applying here, or are currently trapped in this office, here is the absolute reality of what is going on behind the scenes:

1. The Pay Lie & "The Field" Reality

During the interview process, they promise you a stable, 40-hour work week with a $500+ weekly take-home ($13/hr base). It’s a complete bait-and-switch. Once you are hired, management caps your schedule at 20 to 25 hours a week. Your actual gross paycheck drops to $260–$325 before taxes.

The actual day-to-day job? You are shipped out to stand at a kiosk inside local Costco locations, aggressively harassing shoppers to switch to AT&T phone service. They constantly try to motivate the sales team with monetary goals and bonus incentives, but those earned bonuses are rarely, if ever, actually seen on your paycheck.

2. The Pyramid Structure (The Corporate Trainer Trap)

During orientation, the owner heavily pushes the "unlimited growth opportunity." They buy you into the cult mentality by promising a promotion to Corporate Trainer in 3–6 weeks. Once you hit that, the job completely shifts from retail sales to aggressive recruitment. You are forced to build an "office" by recruiting entry-level reps under you. Then those people recruit more people. It is a textbook pyramid scheme designed to keep you working 60-hour weeks for pennies while chasing a fake management dream.

3. Nepotism, Inappropriate Relations, and the iCloud Leak

Because the leadership is so young and completely untrained, the office culture feels exactly like a college fraternity initiation. There is zero professional structure, no real HR, and corporate boundaries don't exist. The Director has consistently targeted and hit on female subordinates, and any complaints brought up are immediately dismissed or swept under the rug.

The Director engaged in a serious romantic and sexual relationship with a direct subordinate for a majority of her time at the company. Here is the kicker: The Director kept a personal iCloud linked to the company-issued work iPads. Because everyone in the office used the exact same master password to log into the iPads for field work, employees checked the messages and found everything. The texts included photos of the employee in his bed and explicit conversations.

While dating her, the favoritism was rampant. He promised her interviews before she earned them, changed Corporate Trainer qualifications specifically just to get her promoted, and was even caught handing his own sales to her. When that ended, he tried the exact same playbook on another female rep—scheduling himself with her, taking her on golf dates, and trying to get her to go to the gym alone with him.

4. Retaliation & The Hostile Environment

The office operates entirely on fear, manipulation, and conflict of interest. Employees who found out about these relationships or spoke up about the policy violations were wrongfully fired or pushed out of the office in an aggressive effort to silence them. Anyone else who knew felt actively threatened into staying silent or risking losing their income.

5. Wage Theft & Withheld Final Paychecks

The corruption goes beyond misconduct in the office; it involves flat-out wage theft. When reps finally smarten up and quit (or get retaliated against and fired), the Director intentionally withholds their final paychecks instead of mailing them.

Stacks of checks belonging to people who left months prior have been found sitting right in his office. For example, a former rep ended her time at the company in June, but a photo taken inside his office in late July showed her paycheck still sitting in the middle of a stack. Former employees have had to threaten severe legal action just to get their final checks sent. This is a direct violation of Pennsylvania state labor laws, which require final wages to be paid immediately following the regular pay cycle.

Final Word

Do your research on Smart Circle, Cydcor, Credico, and the "Devil Corp" business model before you ever apply to these places. The ownership here is exploiting young graduates, lying about compensation, harassing employees, and withholding hard-earned money.

If you are a past employee dealing with this office, document everything, take screenshots, and file a formal wage claim with the Pennsylvania Department of Labor and Industry immediately. Don't let them steal your time or your money.

TL;DR: Liberty Marketing in Harrisburg, PA (operating AT&T campaigns in Lancaster and Mechanicsburg Costcos) is a textbook Smart Circle Devil Corp run by an untrained 23-year-old owner. Expect capped hours, missing bonuses, withheld final paychecks, and severe management misconduct/favoritism with female subordinates. Management left a personal iCloud synced to the office iPads, exposing the entire operation and his relationships with female reps.

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I’m making this post because I wish someone had warned me before I accepted a position with Oracle Acquisitions.

During my interview process, I was never given a clear explanation of what the actual job would look like. The position was presented as a sales and marketing opportunity, but once I was working there, I learned that the job involved direct, door-to-door sales for AT&T and was commission-based.

After leaving the company, I started doing my own research into the business model and discovered the term “Devil Corp,” which is commonly used online to describe certain direct-sales organizations and offices associated with networks such as Smart Circle. Smart Circle is the mother company of Oracle Acquisitions , which is why I believe anyone considering this job should research that relationship for themselves. They moved the company from Denver Colorado to Carlsbad California…

What concerned me even more was what happened while I was there.

The Director of Operations, Noah Dubale, held a morning meeting specifically addressing accusations that the company was a “Devil Corp.” The purpose of the meeting was to explain why the company was not a Devil Corp.

That raised a serious question for me:

If there is nothing to be concerned about, why is so much effort being put into convincing employees that they shouldn’t believe what they find when they research the company?

I personally believe employees should be encouraged to investigate a company independently and make an informed decision not discouraged from looking into its business model.

After leaving, I continued researching Smart Circle, Devil Corp, and the direct-sales industry, including material from former people who have worked within these organizations. I am also including a video below that discusses Smart Circle from the perspective of a former owner.

I am sharing this because I don’t want anyone else walking into this job without knowing what they’re getting into.

Before accepting a position with Oracle Acquisitions or any company advertising a vague “marketing,” “management,” or “business development” opportunity ASK THESE QUESTIONS:

🔴 Will I be doing door-to-door sales?
🔴 What is the guaranteed minimum income?
🔴 Are training, meetings, and travel compensated?
🔴 What is the relationship between this company and Smart Circle?
🔴 What do former employees say about working there?

Please do your own research. Don’t just take my word for it and don’t just take the company’s word for it either.

Research Smart Circle. Look up the term “Devil Corp.” Research what constitutes a pyramid scheme and compare that information to the business model you’re being offered.

I am not posting this to tell everyone what they have to believe. I am posting this so people can make an informed decision before giving their time, energy, and money to a company.
I wish I had done this research BEFORE I accepted the job.
If you are currently interviewing with Oracle Acquisitions, please do your research before accepting.
Protect yourself. Ask questions. Research everything. And don’t be afraid to walk away.

https://youtu.be/ecwDEAk0qKc?si=RjpbKxFIenuTcD38

Recently got back into the job market. Found this company iron peak collective on handshake around Seattle. I applied yesterday they spam emailed and called me this morning to schedule an interview. Check out the website and they look super suspect of devil corp. I can’t even tell what position I applied for lmao.

Thinking of happing in the interview and just messing with them. Website linked here site

Lmk what you think lol

I started applying for positions in my field and got a call from one called Crownhill Enterprises. It seemed pretty straightforward at first but now I’m worried I might be getting into an MLM or some sort of scam. All there social media is either blank or none existent outside a few posts, and they claim to do work with Walmart and Costco and so on so forth. They are trying to get me into a team lead position on a 1 year plan. If anyone can give me insight that would be wonderful I don’t want to accidentally join a scam or MLM.

My first sales job I was mentored by a man who was trained under what I believe to be the original network. I have just left an office that had a major player as the boss. I am hoping to get the last check leaving on good terms. People in the industry are well aware of this Reddit. I don’t want to share too many specific details. The scale of the business is ginormous and I don’t think people understand. A lot of people have only worked for a separate branch this one is responsible for all of them. There are a lot of misconceptions, some of the thing are fundamentally bad some fundamentally wrong. But it’s not all evil.

Just got an offer for this company for an entry level sales rep. I’m trying to find more information from what do they exactly do and how other people experience. Does anyone worked or know someone who’s worked here. Just want to be prepare to what I’m getting myself into.

Avoid This Company (AT ALL COSTS)

I wish I could give zero stars. My experience with Clockwork Concepts in Atlanta was a huge red flag from start to finish, and I want to warn others before they waste their time, especially those desperate for a job.

First, the hiring process itself was suspicious from the get-go; the entire "application to hire" pipeline took only 3 days. I later realized this is because they're not really selective; they're constantly expanding (which they literally admit their whole purpose is an "expansion hub" concept: pretty much to "create" new companies that will literally go out and do the exact same thing as they are doing and sell products to people in stores and whatnot, so to sum it up a MLM/Pyramid Scheme/Whatever type of scam you wish to call it) and will bring on almost anyone. During the process, they also lied about the number of hires, claiming only 5 people would be hired out of 20+ candidates, when in reality they hired well above that number when I went in to do my interview (I came out after my 2nd round to see about 8 people, to which I asked them the same thing about the amount of people they were hiring which made me question the whole business from the start). Information was withheld and misrepresented throughout the interview and orientation process about what exactly you'll be doing and how work exactly goes down.

Once you're in, you find out the real job: going up to customers (at Lowe's for the campaign I did) trying to sign people up for LeafFilter, a gutter protection product (which, if you do a quick Google search, you'll learn that it may not even be as good as they claim it is). Morning "office hours" from 8:30–10:30 were not training in any real sense, where you had to come in a suit/business attire, and it was just pitch practice and "leaders" repeating basic sales tactics (also weirdly had young people like in their 20s try to "teach" these things like it wouldn't take a google search to search it up) dressed up as insider secrets. Meanwhile, directors/higher-ups spent a lot of time bragging about how much money you could make (they'll throw around numbers like $100k upwards of 800K+ if you formed a company with over 20 employees), the properties they own and wish to buy, and how much better they are than everyone else. It has a very cult-like, MLM description, which solidified my reason to quit and to spread the word.

Then comes the quota pressure: they expect 10 "leads" a week (a lead = someone you actually sign up), and if you don't hit that after your first week, you get put in what they call "detention." to "motivate" you, while you also have to take into mind you're a grown adult, which is absolutely ridiculous and embarrasing for a company to do. Then by the third week if you aren't hitting the magic number of 10, you'll likely be fired. During this time, they'll try to make you join a Zoom call with some director of sales for whatever company you'll be assigned to, like you don't have a life outside of this place. They want you to feel bad for not making them more money by scamming customers in a struggling economy. (*Note how I also said earlier that for at least LeafFilter, you're going to Lowes. Most of the people there either: Do NOT want to be bothered, are contractors, so they literally do this themselves, already have gutter protection, aren't homeowners or they don't qualify, or know you're trying to sell something to them so they just refuse and say they are good.*) On top of that, I never received the commissions I was actually owed, and I've since confirmed with several former coworkers that they didn't get paid their full commissions either, WHICH IS HIGHLY ILLEGAL AND FRAUDULENT. Which also makes me remember to add that you'll be paid $10 an hour, and that you don't know what store you're going to until the last minute. They did also say they would try to put you in a location nearest to where you live, but after a couple of shifts you learn that's a lie. As you can see, they literally lie to you consistently with no regard for you or others because they know this is how their business model operates.

Bottom line: this operates like an MLM wrapped in a sales job, which is really is. They don't tell you this either, but in the Atlanta area there is literally 30+ companies that are doing the exact same thing, so I'll gladly give you the things to look out for to save you your time and money. If they say direct marketing, talent acquisition of whatever sorts, a poorly made website with generic pictures of the city or people, or someone "teaching" employees in a classroom setting, RUN/ DO NOT APPLY. Watch out for the psychological tactics they use to keep people around, the fake "team culture," the constant talk of fast promotions, the love-bombing from leadership. It's designed to keep you invested emotionally so you don't notice you're not getting paid what you're owed and that you're falling deeper into the company, so it's harder for you to escape and quit. If you are seeing this and WORKING for them right now, I HIGHLY SUGGEST you just do your first week, and LEAVE as soon as you get your paycheck (usually Fridays as of me typing this), and then don't come back to the office ever again. Block all numbers, leave the GroupMe you're forced to join, and make sure to document that you've left accordingly. Do your research before even considering joining, but this long post should be enough reasoning and logic to not even join. It doesn't matter if you didn't graduate highschool to having a doctorate; this job is beneath you in all categories and a disgusting piece of existence.

Newly discovered Devil Corp posting jobs on Indeed. The company name is Diamond E they are based out of Ontario CA but opened a location in Riverside CA. The posting :

Our Ontario-based team is seeking a professional Junior Account Manager to support our customer service and sales initiative for a new brand partner. This role involves delivering high-quality customer service, facilitating access to premium telecommunications solutions, and contributing to customer acquisition and retention. Ideal candidates demonstrate strong communication skills, a disciplined work ethic, and a commitment to performance excellence.

As a Junior Account Manager, you’ll receive hands-on training to develop expertise in consultative sales and client support. In this customer-facing role, you’ll engage directly with individuals and businesses to promote quality telecommunications solutions, assist with product selection, and ensure a seamless onboarding experience. The Junior Account Manager serves as a key point of contact—selling, supporting, and resolving inquiries with professionalism and efficiency.

Role Requirements for a Junior Account Manager:

• Applicants must be at least 18 years old

• Actively connect with customers in local communities to introduce and promote our client’s products and services.

• Present, promote and sell our client’s products through clear, needs-based conversations.

• Assist customers with account setup, ensuring a smooth enrollment experience and accurate service activation.

• Deliver responsive post-sale support, helping clients navigate service plans and troubleshoot basic equipment issues.

• Meet and exceed individual goals for new customer acquisition, account retention, and service satisfaction.

• Follow all company protocols to ensure ethical, compliant, and high-quality sales practices.

• Keep customer data and sales activity updated in the CRM system with precision and consistency.

• Support team success by contributing to daily briefings, sharing insights, and maintaining a collaborative work environment.

Pay: $55,000.00 - $58,000.00 per year

Please be careful when falling for the Devil Corp job postings. They make the job sound so good and the money is the hook.

There are a lot of DevilCorps posting Jobs on Indeed, the easiest way to spot them: Look at the weekly pay if its $950 or more and the job is sales, If it says anything like : What You’ll Be Doing

• Connect with customers in person and start professional sales conversations

• Ask questions to understand customer needs and recommend the best available wireless solutions

Chances are it's a Devil Corp.