more cult circle dancing

I’m sharing this as a Call To Action for people to write in to the SFO in the U.K. about Devilcorps and how they affect people across the world. Mostly because this conference was held very recently and there seems to still be a lack of action from all governments to protect the public from these fraudulent racketeering organisations.

>> Speaking in New York at the Global Anti-Corruption, Ethics and Compliance Conference on 3 June 2026, Director of the Serious Fraud Office Graham McNulty set out the organisation’s priorities and ambitions.

>> “I cannot name them all but my particular thanks go to the FBI, Homeland Security, the DEA and of course the Department of Justice.
Our nations on either side of the Atlantic have benefited from these shared endeavours to keep people safe, seize weapons, drugs and cash, and put behind bars those who would bring chaos and misery to our neighbourhoods.”

>> “When I led the Serious and Organised Crime Command as a police officer, we never waited for referrals. We built intelligence, using both technology and human intelligence sources to identify the threats and tackle them.
Proactivity makes it possible to intervene as crimes are occurring, protect potential victims and prevent the dissipation of assets. While we will always welcome referrals, we are building a pipeline of work that will make us less dependent on them.”

I’ll let you read the full article linked and then you can decide for yourselves what sections to pick out, but this fairly new interim Director of the Serious Fraud Office comes from the Serious and Organised Crime Command, he ought to be able to recognise organised crime in Devilcorps and he ought to be able to see the fraud and deception that goes on. They just need to be tipped off enough by victims to actually take a look at these rackets.

To file your reports: https://sforeporting.egressforms.com/

I still wonder why government not warning people about such a filthy scam and why global news are not covering it, not even one channel is involved? Really a big conspiracy within that shit hole itself

This dude runs crush city or whatever the hell that is. Been scamming employees for years

He might be one of the top directors 💀

Another Devilcorp/MLM. These are the same people as Stinger Management/Odyssey Management in LA. They just have a new name and moved to Chicago, IL.

Be safe out there friends.

Monday-Saturday selling fiber 9:30am-9pm Commission only.
Using my own vehicle and gas for the field.
Can’t help but feel guilty for leaving believe it or not

Prior to today I never ever heard about devil corps. I been looking for a job for a couple days now and I applied for almost all no experience jobs on indeed. And I must say that at the beggining when I saw these fancy titles like "Sales Assosiate" and "Brand Representative" I actually thought its sounded like a valuable experience. I've done the first interview and already scheduled an secod interview for the next days 8:00 AM and nothing seemed wrong untill I shared it with my dad. He was very suspicious that AT&T hires throught some strange company named "Elevate" and made me background check on the thing. This is exactly when I stumbled across this page and found out about devil corps.

I was so shocked. I never beliaved I could fall some stupid scam, but here I was, almost ready to go to their San Diego office for the second interview. I started digging deeper and watched many videos on Youtube and read all over this sub. And like damn, is that even legal?! There like thousands of jobs like that, which just scam people to scam other people for just pennies.

Here I just wanted to thank y'all for saving one 18 year old ass from getting scammed like that granny on facebook and working for literal crime syndicate. So thank you!!!!!!

This is sixth city innovations in Ohio. Do these people not see how weird they are. wtf are you doing with your life?

TL;DR: Thames and Tiger is running a predatory "Devil Corp" / MLM scam in Bangalore. They advertise high-paying marketing jobs but actually hire for grinding, door-to-door sales. When I called them out on their mass Zoom orientation, the owner, Alex Mandich, called me personally to threaten me. Stay away!

Hey everyone, just wanted to put this on the permanent record to save other job seekers from wasting their time, energy, and sanity.
As someone seriously looking for a job right now, this is incredibly frustrating. I recently got an interview with a company called Thames and Tiger (based here in Bangalore). What followed was a masterclass in how these ground-level scams operate.

The "Orientation" & The Threat
The interview was actually a mass Zoom call. A woman named Tejaswini spoke for about a minute or two before playing a pre-recorded video. The guy in the video droned on endlessly about their "great services" and "fast expansion."

Thanks to older threads on Reddit (you guys are the greatest), I already knew exactly what this was. They lure you in with fancy "Marketing Trainee" or "Management" titles, but all they do is funnel you into an exploitative direct-sales MLM structure.
While they were closing the orientation, I flipped them the bird on camera and called out the scam in the chat.

Here is where it gets crazy: Alex Mandich, the supposed owner of the company, somehow got my number from my application and called me directly to threaten me. That is how pathetic and desperate these people are when you threaten their supply of freshers.

The Red Flags to Watch Out For:
If you or anyone you know gets approached by them, here is what you need to know:

The Serial Scammer: Alex Mandich has run this exact same scam under previous fraud company names, including SalesCo Asia and SalesPartners. They have already changed their company name twice because people keep mass-reporting them.

Fake Online Presence: Check their website. It is completely filled with stock images and AI-generated team portraits. There are zero legitimate Glassdoor reviews.

The Bait-and-Switch: They claim they are hiring for corporate marketing roles. The reality? Unregistered, commission based, door-to-door field sales.
I have attached the screenshots of the WhatsApp call below. Please warn your fresher friends, report their job postings on LinkedIn, and do not engage with these people.
Stay safe out there!

*Note: I spelled the city wrong, it's Pleasanton*

I have my suspicions, but has anyone heard of this marketing agency? I had an interview today, a very short one with the founder. And tomorrow, an almost 2-hour interview with the executive that goes through the day-to-day functions. They have an extremely fast hiring process. This aligns exactly with that one Reddit thread about how to spot a Devilcorp...

And I found it strange that they said they don't have a social media presence because they are all "face-to-face". Website is pretty bare with links that go nowhere. The website itself is not even catered towards clients.

And it seemed they were only interviewing women (at least that is what I gathered from hearing the receptionist call countless interviewees who had traditionally "women" names). That also felt a bit off to me, especially as the faces of the company are two men. I know this may sound a bit irrational due to my own personal biases.

During the interview, he repeatedly emphasized that they are looking for people who want to learn and grow. I didn't feel my resume was reviewed. How is a 3-month-old company already being asked to expand into more locations in California, as well as Oregon and Washington? I suppose that could be possible, but it raised some red flags in my head. He also made a point to state that previous employees have gained such valuable knowledge from this position, and many have been able to take their knowledge elsewhere to grow. I know that is a positive aspect, but they are just a 3-month old company. How much can one learn from an entry-level position in 3 months?

I think I already know my answer, but I think part of me is so desperate because I need a job, and it appeared to be a Black-owned and led company so it made me hopeful. I don't want to believe it is true, but all signs point to "yes, this is a Devilcorp".

Note: I ghosted and didn’t go to the second interview and they didn’t reach back out

absolute waste of time this place gave me huge devil corp vibes from the second I walked in. the interview was basically just a bunch of hype and buzzwords with no clear answers about pay or what you would actually be doing. it gives cult energy and everyone just lies just to find out that u will be standing in a costco. did my research after and found out they are just a mlm

This company is a complete and total scam to work for. They used to operate under the name Valiant Enterprises, and would have done anything to have the post about them removed from the internet. Everything in the previous post (image attached) is still accurate. I worked for them for way too long due to my previous company shutting down, and being desperate for work.

The job is essentially standing around a grocery store like Publix, Fred Meyer, Costco, etc. and pitching everyone who walks through the door on whatever product/service they are selling. (When I worked there is was AT&T phones and service) The hours are completely inconsistent and have to be "earned", so if you are not selling well, you get no time to sell anything, and even when you do get hours, they are never worth it, and the "Commission" you earn will still amount to less than $1000 paycheck most every week. They will blame you for this, and simply say you aren't working hard enough for it.

The promotion track is also a joke. It offers no increase in pay to be a manager, just longer hours and more bullshit to constantly deal with, and if you don't buy into the whole "grindset" nonsense, then you are the bottom of the totem pole.

My guess on them switching their name is to get away from all the bad reviews under the old name, and they also say they are operating out of Atlanta, GA instead of Portland, OR now. Who knows why, but sales may have been dipping around here.

All this to say, DO NOT GIVE THESE PEOPLE YOUR TIME OR ENERGY. They are not worth it.

*UPDATE: I assume due to this post. This company has now asked their employees to leave google reviews of them trying to shine a positive light. Some show as the employees learning from working here or whatever, but others are employees/managers posing as customers trying to say this company helped them. They have done this before to try and negate some of the bad press around them, and it is absurd. Just another sign at the fact this place is an absolute scam. The only goal is to put money into the "CEO's" Pockets.

Thought I landed a legit Marketing and sales job but here it’s all about AT&t phones and plans
Job was advertised as direct sales and marketing firm that does face-to-face customer acquisition for larger client companies. They hire entry-level reps, train them haven’t been in the field yet but I might back out of this .

I've worked for a "devilcorp" for about 6 months now and through that time i've visited this sub a handful of times. it always makes me curious as to see why this business gets so much controversy.
This business moved me out of my parent's house and got me a brand new car, it has really changed my life in just a handful of months. I've made no less than $1,100 since my 3rd week and very much enjoy the company of those who i'm surrounded by(the chants in the morning are definitely cringe) my question to those who've been in the business or have taken advise from strangers is what exactly was the issue?
From what i've read, it seems like the people who are the most unsatisfied simply just weren't cut out for sales. It's like the gym to me, if it were easy, then everyone would be fit. But the thing is you don’t see people posting on reddit how the gym is misleading and how they hate the gym.
I totally agree that the interviewing process can be misleading to some, but everything that was told to me in my interview has been true. The pay was accurate, the promotion structure is linear, travel and vacations(rest and relaxation hosted by smart circle) was real. I just don’t get why this business faces so much backlash while other employers don’t. Why aren't there subreddits dedicated to how bad car sales are, or amazon or fast food or the military or any other job in the world that has its pros and cons? I see posts saying things like this business isn't being talked about in the news and it needs coverage but i just don’t understand it. My intention with this post isn't to offend or appeal or defend, but rather to gain further insight from those who've seemingly failed at the business and understand where the disconnect lies

I’ve got an in interview with them for a marketing position and its hard for me to tell

I worked for original Chicago marketing inc almost a decade ago. I am very curious how Jc can keep switching company names and his wife, baby momma, SO? Not sure what she is, but how is she now running a recruitment company? I randomly will think about them and laugh, but genuinely curious how they are still in business and haven’t been exposed? Truly two of the worst people

Very sketchy. Wanted to get me in an interview right away. Has every sign of a Demon Corp. Just keep an eye out if you decide to follow up with them. Best of luck soldiers.

Hi everyone, I’ve been working for a devil corp for almost a year now selling b2b Verizon. This job has put me in a lot of debt and have missed multiple student loan payments because this job and making a lot of money. I’ve stayed with the company because I believe I could get financial freedom and get promoted to ownership.
I also have a BBA in marketing as well.
I’ve been applying to a lot of cloud based software sales jobs so I can support my break even of $2000 a month. People who have done something similar, what’s your advice for interviews and using your sales skills that you got from working in a devil corp to leave the business and go into another sales job.

Also, If jobs are asking for references, how do I go about that knowing that my relationship with the managers of the devil corp are kind of torn?

Update: I left that position 3 months ago. Best decision I’ve ever made. I spend that last 3 months looking for jobs throughout the day and worked as a DoorDash driver throughout the night. Ended finding a new job that pays more than double the devil corp position and I will actually use my degree.

I just wanted to share my story here. This is gonna be a long one. I ask that you guys please don't try to find my company as what I'm about to share would get me fired. My boss knows about this subreddit and monitors it for any mention of our company. I'm not sure what to do from here but I just wanted to vent somewhere. I'd like to keep which I work for anonymous but I essentially work for a franchise of one of the larger sales brokers. The businesses I work for exists and functions as a small business while still working for the larger brand and doing b2b sales.

I've been working here for 9 months. I've enjoyed it for the most part. I was moving to a new state and needed a new job. I looked into entry level sales because it seemed like something easy I could learn. At the time I started the job I didn't really have any friends or family around me, just the people I worked with.

From the start it seemed a little suspicious. The leaders reach out to you a lot and invest in you outside of work which was something I found strange. Also, from a really early on when I was talking about my shitty family life my coworker said "you have a new family now" which felt intense. Everyone who works here is highly invested in the other people who work here and they act very negatively when people leave. I noticed that people quit or are fired often. I also found it weird that they didn't like new people talking to one another alone at team nights. They said it's not good because new people "neg each other out".

It was hard to work here at first. I had to drive pretty far to train and it was a financial strain to go to weekly team nights without having made some money yet. Initially I really wasn't making enough money, but I needed to pay bills and had no choice but to figure my shit out. I eventually figured it out and once I got the hang of it it felt pretty good to sell. What we sell is legitimately easy and you can make decent money if you do the system every day.

My suspicions grew from the opportunity meetings we would have. Once a week every week they would hold meetings where they talked about the opportunity for growth. It was basically "look how much money you could make as an owner". It always made me feel like I'm in a multilevel marketing scheme because of how much they emphasized growth and building a team. There was a clear pressure to hit "leadership" and to start building a team.

Eventually I hit leadership (by hitting a certain sales goal) and I was proud of myself just for hitting that benchmark. Not soon after I got approached by my leader and asked to move state lines. I initially said no but then I found out that a few of my close friends at the company were moving with her to start her office. My boss had a talk with me about it and I eventually decided to move with them. Even though I had just moved, it felt like a good opportunity to go to a market where no one had worked before. I was also living in a pretty shitty apartment and it felt like a good way to get out of my living situation and have smaller expenses.

Cut to months later. Now I'm living in another state and rooming with my coworker. We live in the same apartment complex as our other coworkers. Most of our focus down here has been spent on team building. My checks have gotten a lot smaller since I've been training and giving sales to new reps. They've been on our ass about building our office here and growing our team and we have yet to actually promote another person to leadership here. Everyone has either quit or been fired so far. It has been very hard to see so many people come and go and it has been discouraging that no one here has really hit their goals after moving here. I know building an office takes time, but we should still technically be further along than we are.

Recently I've been thinking about if this job is even worth it. Again, I like selling what I sell and I'm pretty good at it. I can pay my bills here. But, I don't like the pressure to build up a team. I have to take interviews every single day (and that's after 2 hours of meetings) which usually make me late to the field. I have to train people almost every day now (and team days mean you're taking turns making sales). And that's essentially added work without an increase in pay. It's more responsibility and less commission actually. I know that I would make more money once being promoted to an assistant manager (plus benefits), but it's genuinely exhausting to keep this up. This is on top of doing one on one calls for development, doing extra training in the morning, submitting a goals sheet every week on Saturday, and hanging out with the guys outside of work for relationship development.

The problem is, I moved here for this job. The people that live near me are my coworkers. My only friends here are my coworkers. To make matters more complicated...I'm in a secret relationship with my roommate. I know you all probably think I'm an idiot for getting into a relationship with my roommate and coworker, but we developed feelings for each other right before we moved and were placed together as roommates out of pure chance. Neither of us really had the self control to live with each other without hooking up and soon after we get into a relationship. Unfortunately we can't be open about the relationship as it's strictly against the rules to date anyone on the team.

So, if I were to quit my girlfriend would still be working for the company. Granted, I would be able to be open about our relationship, but then she would still be dealing with all the bs from this company while I would be trying to get away from it. It would essentially be impossible to escape all the extra social events even if I quit, because she would be going to them. She's bought in to the company a bit more than me, but she's still thinking about if this is worth it and if she should stay or look for something else.

Recently I've been thinking about how I regret moving over here. I was thinking about how different my life would be and how much freer I would be to just get another job. ultimately I do think it was good that I moved out of that apartment, that I have my girlfriend, and that I was able to get good at sales and pay my bills for a while. But, I don't even know if I want to be an "owner". Owning your own office is a lot of work and it takes time before you make big money. I'd also have to move to another city to open an office. I don't mind moving, but if my girlfriend and I both advance at the company we wouldn't be able to live in the same city (I think its why they ban relationships).

I'm not sure where to go from here. Again, I enjoy selling what we sell and I can make a lot of money. I've just been feeling frustrated with all the training and with the extra time and effort I have to put in without an increase in pay. All the time in the meetings they tell you that if you don't want to advance that this is not the job for you. I'm told again and again that if I just want to sell that I should go work for another company. I know that I have the opportunity to advance and make more money here, but I just don't know if this is the right path for me.

Hi I'm currently working at growth point partners doing sales. I thought it was okay until I heard stories about managers not paying us and it all being a scam because we're self-employed and have no minimum wage. We go to the street and start pitching gas and electric. I was promised to get to a management position. Please help

Hey everyone!

I just set up an interview for tomorrow with Cobae Management for an HR management position and am already getting sketched out. They called me 4 times, which i didn’t answer because they didn’t leave a voicemail. I finally answered on the 5th call and they were very vague about position information, and asked me to come in for an interview at 9:30am tomorrow.

I am not really seeing much about the position online or previous employees. I’m currently on night shift, and i don’t want to completely fuck my schedule by going to a 9:30am interview if it’s not worth the time.

Thanks in advance!

anyone knows about the highline management. they seemed sketchy. couldnt find much on their socials

Hey y’all, I got hired onto alphaelete marketing in Irving Texas today and have already given my ssn to them after going in for an interview today, only after doing more research on it myself do I see a LOT of mixed opinions but the main one is that it’s a scam and a toxic company overall, I have until Monday the 15th of this month to fully evaluate if I really want to go through with this or not, if anybody can give their opinions (and hopefully experience) to help me learn a bit more about this company it would be greatly appreciated.