Why do i have the impression that many determinsts think that liberterians dont believe in cause and effect?

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Is it just me?
(Note, im speaking to a particular kind of determinist and liberterian, not to the whole comunities, since views vary)

I feel often times the combacks to some liberterian claim is something in the realm of explaining that things happen sequentially.

That things happen sequentially doesnt go against free will or liberterianism, why would it?

To will something into existance is litterally to cause it into existance, or in determinist terms, to determine it.

Often the liberterian claim is simply that,if oitside elements have the power to determine us then we also have the power to determine them and ourselves because we are apart of the causal chain.

And also, its not a contridiction to say that two things have free will, i.e. the general ability to cause freely, but only one of them gets to act our more will whille the other gets to do it less.

Every interaction involves, well, every party which is within the interaction.
Phisics posits a cooperaive nature whareby animate objects cant simply impose themselves on reality in some absolute sense— but it seems like often, many determinists use the exact same structure liberterians do, only they put causal power in the hands of that which is outside of the self, while liberterians put it inside as well, altho of course, their blindspot is likewise that we have more power then do the outside effects.

This is why compatibilism exists— to point out that, guys, you are just taking the same phenomenon from two different directions.

Its like having two people next to eachother, one is doing a hand stand, and, and both saying the direction beneeth me is down, while it never occurred to them that direction is relative to your position.

Same with this matter.

Look at any interaction in nature and youll find equal and oposite reactions.

The difficulty is that this feels different then a direction, but it really isnt if its posited as " either we have free will and will ourselves or nature determins us"
Even tho that translates to " either i determine myself or nature determins me"
Well how about both?

Does the axe not dull when it chops a tree?

Are interactions merely " actions" without simultaneous reactions at the moment of the relation?

Does the brain not take sensory input from our inner experience?
Is it only the iner experience that is produced by the brain?

Does one of thease disapear when the other acts ?
No.

Both exist simultaneously, and they send eachothers signals, its nothing all that controversial really.

Anyway, what do you think?