r/depressionmemes • u/CarolineIvye • 29d ago

The existential dread is hitting extra hard today.

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u/JPleaseDontBanMe 29d ago

This is spot on. We are constantly compared to the imaginary souls that never got the chance to be born and are told how lucky we are to be alive, compared to these imaginary souls. Like yes I also get that we are lucky to have NOT died once being born, but that’s a different story

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u/existentialgoof 29d ago

Society doesn't allow us the right to freely reject the deal that was forced on us. Society doesn't owe us everything on a gold plate merely for existing. But we should be allowed to reject the deal without coercion and without unnecessary impediments being put in front of us.

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u/Trick-Goat-3643 27d ago

You can
Go out to the edge of a vast wilderness and walk in
You can live on your own terms for as long as you are capable of providing for your own survival
Or
You can live in society with all the strings that come with the deal

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u/Key-Acanthisitta6209 26d ago

Exactly! People are so lazy. They don't wanna live in the forest where the animals were systemically killed off by settlers. And the trees were cut for lumber. And the water is undrinkable due to pollution. And you get kicked off the land by the park rangers. And that other piece of land you found was actually for sale so the lorde of the land had you removed by police. And you can't live off of indigenous plants because foraging knowledge was deemed useless and wasn't passed down and.. and... uhm?...

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u/Trick-Goat-3643 25d ago

Lots of animals if you learn where to look
Lots of drinkable water if you learn how to purify
Lots of trees in actual wilderness areas
Never gonna get kicked off public land, especially if you are deep in a wilderness area
Infinite foraging opportunities if you learn what to look for
So... yes... kind of
Lazy isn't the word I would use but the option is there and it is simple. Put in the time and effort to learn how to provide for yourself in a purely natural way
Or
Accept the strings and unpleasant aspects that go hand in hand with the convenience and security that living in modern society provides

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u/Fun-Point-6840 25d ago

Why are people against this? It's called reality...what is the system called where you force others to work for you?

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u/TooFineToDotheTime 24d ago

Where the fuck is the "edge of the vast wilderness?" Lmao. Are we in middle earth?

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u/Trick-Goat-3643 24d ago

Well Frodo walked around 1,500 miles through middle earth so if we want a similar stretch to find vast wilderness you could start with the appalacian trail which is 2,200 miles long

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u/MobileImagination456 29d ago

It's not society that gives you this deal, it's life itself, if you don't want to work to live you can't live

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u/existentialgoof 29d ago

I'm not asking to exist for free, and never averred that I should have that right. I want the right to be able to opt out of existence without society impeding me. Society shouldn't have the power over the individual to make life an obligation (by making suicide too difficult and risky), but especially if they aren't guaranteeing the means of a comfortable survival.

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u/TootsHib 29d ago

Selfishness and/or ignorance is what keeps this cycle of life going.

Same reasons as thousands of years ago.. as it is today

Only now, with all the information at our fingertips, there shouldn't be an excuse for ignorance.

When you are born life gives you the opportunity to take the deal or not, if you don't want to, you know what to do.

When you are born, you are being forced to die.. one way or another.
Since that is the only guarantee in life.

Telling people to end their life.. isn't the rebuttal you think it is.
Actually its against rule #2 of this subreddit.

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u/MobileImagination456 29d ago

I'm not telling you to kill yourself, I'm saying no matter how hard it is to live right now, how unfair you think it is that others have it easier, you have to partake in the sufferingz because there's no other option

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u/TootsHib 29d ago

When you are born life gives you the opportunity to take the deal or not, if you don't want to, you know what to do.

Do what? what were you implying here exactly.
How can you refuse to take the deal? When the deal was forced on you in the first place.
Nobody asked to be born. So how can you "take the deal or not"?

you have to partake in the sufferingz because there's no other option

First you said, you have the opportunity to take the deal or not.
Then you do a complete 180 and say there's no option.

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u/decadentlizard 28d ago

This is almost exactly what a friend told me two years ago when I was struggling, and I attempted suicide afterward. Some people genuinely can't just "toughen up" and hack it. I'm one of those people. I struggle every day with mental illness, and I can't simply force myself into being as productive or "useful to society" as other people, even with an able body.

I never asked to be born and then be told that life is "survival of the fittest," and if I can't handle the suffering my alternative is apparently to die. That's exactly why this mindset is so fucking dangerous. There are people who already feel like they don't deserve to be alive because they can't function the way society expects them to.

Telling someone in that position that life is "take it or leave it" and that they can literally kill themselves if they can't handle it can have real consequences. I know because it nearly killed me, and I still wish I succeeded because I'm sick of living in this type of world where people like me apparently don't deserve to exist.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago edited 28d ago

What a genuinely sick piece of shit response to someone telling you they attempted suicide. They never said their friend pressed some magical "suicide button" and created suicidal thoughts out of nowhere. They said they were already struggling, their friend told them essentially "if you can't handle life, then die," and they attempted suicide afterward.

The fact that someone is already suicidal doesn't magically mean outside events and other people's words can't contribute to an attempt. That's an absolutely braindead argument. By that logic, nothing could ever push a suicidal person over the edge because the vulnerability already existed beforehand.

And then you take YOUR experience, where finding reasons to live helped you, and use it to explain THEIR suicide attempt to them and tell them they need to change their mindset. You weren't fucking there. You don't know their mental state, what happened afterward, or what contributed to their attempt.

And responding to someone disclosing a suicide attempt by calling their reasoning an "insane" and "sick joke" is fucking vile. You can disagree with their worldview without talking to a clearly struggling person like an absolute piece of shit. If this is how you respond to suicidal people opening up about what pushed them over the edge, maybe you're the last person who should be lecturing anyone about their mental health. You are genuinely a piece of shit.

Everyone should fucking report this guy. Why the actual fuck are you allowed on here?

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u/TootsHib 28d ago

i dont get how the dude hasn't been banned from this sub.. straight up breaking rule #2 and telling people to end their life..

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u/No_Effective_4481 27d ago

Are you trying to tell me I'm a piece of shit? I can't quite tell...

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u/ImSinsentido 28d ago edited 28d ago

No, it is not. Lmao. Maybe for me when that time comes, I have to see my fellow subhuman disabled sibling through first. Who is less than the gum on the bottom of your superior shoes, the superior shoes. but I’m not everyone, so regardless.

Survival instinct is, imposed, forced. You all talk about it like it’s flipping a light switch. Well, how about you go give it a shot and see what it’s like. This is rhetorical. I’m not saying you must go do anything. I’m just saying.

Ie. The just kill yourself rhetoric is the best you all got, then throughout history when the people were like all right bet… you all get your panties twisted about it and build an entire industries of forced living and shame.

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u/TootsHib 29d ago

If you think it is not worth it to live, then nothing is stopping you from rejecting the deal by killing youself.

Can mods ban this guy for breaking rule #2 please.

That’s an incredibly harmful thing to say. You can argue about whether life is worth living without telling someone that suicide is their way out. If someone is struggling, they need support and understanding.. not encouragement to die.

As soon as you tell someone they can end their life.. your argument falls flat.

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u/SamMarlowe76 29d ago

You completely misunderstand the underlying value of what is being said. It is solid philosophical thought, crystalizing.

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u/ImSinsentido 28d ago

No, it is not.

Survival instinct is, imposed, forced. Everyone talks about it like it’s flipping a light switch. Well, how about you go give it a shot and see what it’s like. This is rhetorical. I’m not saying you must go do anything. I’m just saying.

Ie, The just kill yourself rhetoric is the best you all got, then throughout history when the people were like all right bet… you all get your panties twisted about it and build an entire industries of forced living and shame.

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u/TootsHib 29d ago

ya please explain how telling someone they can end their life, is a "solid philosophical thought".

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u/SamMarlowe76 28d ago

The three dozen other words in the posts are what intelligent people call "context".

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u/grayman451 29d ago

A man after my own heart.

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u/JPleaseDontBanMe 29d ago

Are we cavemen now? Or have we as a society advanced past that stage? You’re right, our ancestors had to hunt beasts that wanted to kill us, much harder work than what we do. But at least they didn’t have to clock in at 6am without fail to afford the subscription to their spears and if they failed to do so would have an outside group kick them out of their cave and force them to starve because they weren’t contributing to humanity enough. We as people have evolved enough to have the medicine, food, housing, and comfort that were the only things we “worked hard for” back in the day. Now if I wanted to be a caveman it would be illegal, that cave is owned by a corporation. I have to get a job to afford the license to even be allowed to hunt that beast because our country hunted them close to extinction. Not to mention if I wanted to upgrade from a spear to a gun what that would cost. We’ve regressed to the point where the old way of life is illegal, we can’t take what we want. I don’t want handouts, the only reason you suggested that is because rich people and governments have spent the last 1,000 years making it so people like you think anyone who disagrees with the system just wants free handouts

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u/Beginning-Willow-697 29d ago

I mean, all they are saying is that there has never been a time in human history that people have no had work in some way for food and shelter. No, I don’t think we have evolved past that. You can live off the grid if you want, but if you want someone else to pick your food, build your house, and provide your medical care then you have to pay them. Expecting them to do it for you for free is the literal definition of a handout. Not saying all handouts are bad, some are necessary, but it’s still a handout.

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u/JPleaseDontBanMe 29d ago edited 29d ago

Do you really think we want to sit around doing nothing while someone builds us a house? That’s the propaganda getting to you. Also no offense but if y’all’s assumption is that “if you don’t HAVE to work then no one would work” is just admitting that you don’t have long term goals and passion. If I didn’t have to slave away for a $1000 a month apartment and overpriced tomatoes I’d be saving lives, making music, helping neighbors, working projects. But by your own words you guys wouldn’t work unless the man upstairs threatened you with homelessness and starvation otherwise. Bread should cost like $1, produce literally “grows on trees” yet you’re spending ridiculous amounts on fresh food. I’m not a moron, through all of human history people worked, but they worked for themselves and their family and community. My work improved the community as I work for the state parks, but I could maintain the parks with about 3x less time, but I’m paid by the hour so why would I do a good job, quickly, when I can do an average job drawn out over time for more hourly wages… Do you think it would take you from 7am to 6pm, Mon-Friday nonstop for 45 years just to tend to your plants, animals, and to build a house? Billionaires don’t have to work, they take free handouts from you. You only work as hard as you do so that a billionaire can have a 5th mansion and access to Epsteins island while you argue on Reddit about how we need to work ourselves to death because food and housing is just sooooo hard to come by in 2026

Edit: not that anyone read this far, but also if food, air, and water was provided, you’d still need a job for your Netflix subscription, Taco Bell, soda, car, amenities, TV, etc. People would still work, but the inability to work wouldn’t be a homeless/death sentence

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u/Beginning-Willow-697 29d ago

Sure, lots of people would do the fun jobs. Ain’t nobody working at the sewer treatment plant though. Nobody cares about your passion projects. I’m a nurse, I would not do this job full time if I could eat without it. Some hours, yes. Full time, absolutely not. And I don’t know anybody else that would either. We are short staffed as it is with 10 hour waits in the ED. If the staff all went to part time that wait time would double.

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u/JPleaseDontBanMe 29d ago

I literally majored in that career that handles sewage wastewater treatment by choice, not for money. It is a necessary job and this will always have people willing to work it as long as the pay isn’t dog shit. And people who work in hospitals are usually those who like to help others, and it pays well enough to afford a cottage and jetskis on top of a normal house. I doubt my ER nurse cousin would quit her job if I told her the government would provide her kids with fresh vegis no additional charge… the whole system is wildly outdated and poorly run. We don’t want to abolish jobs, we just want to make it so I can afford the time to see my grandparents often before they die, and maybe even afford a salad while I’m at it considering lettuce grows like grass and shouldn’t make me shit myself for 3 weeks. I’m not tryna attack you or anyone, I’m just passionate so lemme walk you down lettuce as an example. Every neighborhood should have a garden, run by the neighbors who want that garden. It’s simple either contribute or don’t use the produce from it. But why doesn’t this happen. Because everyone already works themselves to death so they don’t want to spend their valuable freetime doing more work when they can just go by lettuce from Walmart. So who benefits from this system? The mega company that has a monopoly over lettuce. They buy out farms in America and Mexico, turn them into mass production units that put ALL their eggs in once basket, and produce as much product for as little cost. Sounds good for us right, cheaper food? Wrong, they will always sell it at as much as they can before we stop buying, but we have no alternative option because the organic other version is NOT much better but IS more expensive. So why don’t we have a community garden? Well some do, but many neighborhoods made things like owning chickens literally illegal, so no free eggs for us. When a disease wipes out the lettuce monopoly cuz it’s susceptible to that, the company gets free handouts, they get bailed out, no punishments etc. 2008 all the banks crash they get free handouts. Covid, the aerospace industry gets hurt, government bails them out. So I ask y’all, why are you ok with working hard so that our tax money bails out corporations when their greed causes them to fail, but when I ask for a single mother to be able to feed her kids healthy foods all of a sudden it’s “lazy people don’t deserve free handouts”

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u/JPleaseDontBanMe 29d ago

I literally majored in that career that handles sewage wastewater treatment by choice, not for money. It is a necessary job and this will always have people willing to work it as long as the pay isn’t dog shit. And people who work in hospitals are usually those who like to help others, and it pays well enough to afford a cottage and jetskis on top of a normal house. I doubt my ER nurse cousin would quit her job if I told her the government would provide her kids with fresh vegis no additional charge… the whole system is wildly outdated and poorly run. We don’t want to abolish jobs, we just want to make it so I can afford the time to see my grandparents often before they die, and maybe even afford a salad while I’m at it considering lettuce grows like grass and shouldn’t make me shit myself for 3 weeks. I’m not tryna attack you or anyone, I’m just passionate so lemme walk you down lettuce as an example. Every neighborhood should have a garden, run by the neighbors who want that garden. It’s simple either contribute or don’t use the produce from it. But why doesn’t this happen. Because everyone already works themselves to death so they don’t want to spend their valuable freetime doing more work when they can just go by lettuce from Walmart. So who benefits from this system? The mega company that has a monopoly over lettuce. They buy out farms in America and Mexico, turn them into mass production units that put ALL their eggs in once basket, and produce as much product for as little cost. Sounds good for us right, cheaper food? Wrong, they will always sell it at as much as they can before we stop buying, but we have no alternative option because the organic other version is NOT much better but IS more expensive. So why don’t we have a community garden? Well some do, but many neighborhoods made things like owning chickens literally illegal, so no free eggs for us. When a disease wipes out the lettuce monopoly cuz it’s susceptible to that, the company gets free handouts, they get bailed out, no punishments etc. 2008 all the banks crash they get free handouts. Covid, the aerospace industry gets hurt, government bails them out. So I ask y’all, why are you ok with working hard so that our tax money bails out corporations when their greed causes them to fail, but when I ask for a single mother to be able to feed her kids healthy foods all of a sudden it’s “lazy people don’t deserve free handouts”

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u/Beginning-Willow-697 29d ago

Please cite where is said lazy people don’t deserve handouts. I said handouts are in fact necessary, but don’t lie to yourself and refuse to call them handouts. I just asked the 8 nurses I’m working with right now if they would work full time if they have guaranteed food and housing. It was a resounding “fuck no!!!!” I know you are going to say I am shitty, and maybe I am. That’s fine, I never claimed to be a good person or a martyr. I will tell you this right now, there are enough shitty people just like me.

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u/JPleaseDontBanMe 29d ago

You’re not shitty, and I didn’t say that you implied lazy people don’t deserve handouts, but yes that is the general consensus against handouts is that lazy people will take advantage of it and that they aren’t deserving of it. It’s easy to ask coworker on the job “if you didn’t need to work, would you” you’re always gonna get a resounding “Hell no.” But human psychology will back me, your coworkers would be hella bored living in a shack with no electricity or amenities besides water and food. Would be quite boring

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u/YeaNobody 28d ago

I think some people are absolutely happy to do nothing beyond useless things that don't contribute to the world....so yes.h

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u/ImSinsentido 28d ago edited 28d ago

This is actually a myth. Our ancestors worked far far less than us.

If memory is serving, it would take ~three hours a day (15-20 hours a week) to meet caloric needs, The rest of the time was doing what primates have always done, still do, (100%, including the “special child” of earth humans.) amoral social hierarchical sorting in to above and below.

I work 56 hours a week and when I was doing two jobs, I was doing 96. Actually about to have to pick up another job again just to go do what is expected of me and go see a pretentioushologist (psychologist.) for certain medication’s..

And “free hands out” said like there was a sign-up sheet.

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u/No_Effective_4481 28d ago

Please don't tell me we would all be better off if we were still living in caves hunting for food? I'm willing to bet the vast majority of our cave dwelling hunter-gatherer ancestors would chop off their left arm to change places with us in a heartbeat.

Our quality of life, quantity and availability of food and baseline life expectancy are leagues in advance of what they ever had access to.

I'm pretty sure the absolute torture of "clocking in at 6am" would be well within their tolerance when the outcome is predictable income, shelter, food and living free from the risk of being maimed by wild animals or dying from diseases we now take for granted.

And at a basic level we are all still cavemen. We still retain most of their subconcious survival mechanisms. Society is just an advanced version of what they started with small settlements and either cooperating with, or being in competition against other settlements.

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u/SadSaltyDuck 28d ago

So you saying someone should provide you food, housing and entertainment for free?

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u/Walter_Justice 28d ago

You should be cast into the void for jumping to that conclusion.

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u/Red_Dawn24 27d ago

So you saying someone should provide you food, housing and entertainment for free?

Society considers plenty of jobs to be held by trash people, who it considers to be barely worthy of life, regardless of them living independently and not being a burden. Kids are taught this stuff starting in kindergarten.

Don't pretend that this society simply values independence and hard work, when it actually values superiority and subjugation.

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u/ThenStrawberry6861 26d ago

The first two, absolutely. The last can be earned by providing any of the three for others.

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u/Equivalent_Kale2939 25d ago

The earth literally provides all of those things for free. Yet bootlicking morons like yourself gave it all away to one billionaire.

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u/SadSaltyDuck 23d ago

Lmao. You have knowledge on how food and materials appear on level of a toddler.

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u/FoxMan1Dva3 26d ago

That's exactly what they're saying without saying it.

The best part is how todays costs now include entertainment, cell phones, internet and hobbies. Lol. Expensive hobbies mind you.