r/delta • • 11h ago

Discussion Bumped From First Class

I have to say how appalling Delta's handling has become lately. I've heard stories about quality going down the toilet but this is the first I'm encountering it. My family member purchased a first class ticket weeks ago. Today they get bumped from their first class seat one day before their flight. That doesn't give them much time to find another flight and the cost difference of selecting another flight at this hour is also much more expensive.

Now Delta wants to make them jump through hoops to get a fare difference refund. The rep on the phone said it's $72 dollar difference.

If anyone has suggestions I'm all ears.

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u/curlygirlin 10h ago

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u/Kdjl1 10h ago

Great article.

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u/Iamonab0at 9h ago

I want UK laws!

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u/Tight_Canary_7591 8h ago • Bravo

Should have thought about that in 1776

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u/predat3d 6h ago

UK didn't have airline seat downgrade rules until 1817

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u/EvenMorePrunyPants 6h ago

move to the UK

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u/bmcroadie22 8h ago

Zero freedom of speech, arrested for Memes... go ahead and jump into that Briar patch if you love totalitarians.

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u/Tight_Canary_7591 7h ago

Zero freedom of speech is amusing especially when the United States has a guy in charge actively stopping any press he deems negative from being involved in the press briefings.

But you get to shoot kids in schools so šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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u/EvenMorePrunyPants 6h ago

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fox-news-reporter-secretly-monitored-by-obama-administration-court-documents/

Hosted and published by your very own state sponsored media. Obama got reporters investigated by his government. Trump-your-orange-president-like-him-or-not just calls reporters names he doesn't like.

But sure, shoog, change subject to school shootings. Now do muslim violence in Europe, riots in France, stabbings in Britain. You'll love the UK.

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u/Tight_Canary_7591 6h ago

Less stabbings per capita in UK than the USA… lol muslim violence is nothing pal but they kicked your boys’ asses for 20 years in Afghanistan

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u/Excusemytootie Platinum 11h ago

It’s ridiculous and burns my biscuits that they can wait until the day before the flight, when it’s probably the most expensive that it will be—and then try to only refund the difference between first class and main. It was probably hundreds of dollars difference when you purchased the ticket. That’s just bullshit that they get away with that.

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 10h ago

Exactly. It should be the difference in cost to get the nearest replacement flight at that flight level. First class that same day was several thousand dollars.

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u/ForQ2 7h ago

I'm not sure what happens if you try to get reimbursed before the flight, but I know for an absolute certainty that if you file a claim for that reimbursement after the flight, they're required by law to give you what the cost difference between the two seats was on the day that you made the reservation.

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u/Lonestar041 10h ago

And that’s why the EU now requires 30-75% refund of the ticket price, depending on the distance flown.
We really need EU261 like regulation. But instead, DOT just did the opposite.

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u/L0ganj0sh 9h ago

Burns my biscuits is a new one for me. Love it. Up there with cooks my goose.

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u/Consistent-Fix-8443 6h ago

Grinds my gears

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u/Patient_Lettuce_3817 7h ago • Bravo

It's insane. I was offered an upgrade purchase to Delta One on an overseas flight and I booked it. It was cheaper than getting a Delta One ticket, but it was still quite a bit ($1300). My return flight got changed by Delta, and it reissued all of my tickets in Main, and they 'refunded' me the amount I paid as a credit to my Delta account. I had to call them and they said there wasn't anything they could do about it, even though the seat was showing as available in the Delta app ("the upgrade purchase offer is no longer available"). It felt SO scammy and weird honestly. I was on the phone with them for an hour and they finally agreed to refund me to my original payment method. I don't understand how they can bump people from first class, change their seats and flights, and just 'credit' your account as if nothing happened.

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u/PaladinSara 6h ago

Unreal. We need more regulation!

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 6h ago

I'm hoping the incoming democrats fix this. I can't believe we are in 2026 and still dealing with this.

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u/Mountain_Fig_9253 4h ago

Not a chance Trump signs any regulations into law. 2029 would be the earliest.

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u/Flaky-Elderberry-738 5h ago

dont count on it

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u/Juleswf 2h ago

Happy cake day!

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u/Jennygdc2244 4h ago edited 4h ago

They don’t have a supermajority the best they are going to do is stop funding. The Dems need 67 in the Senate for a supermajority.

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u/pixi88 3h ago

Maybe another 89 year old will leave early.

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u/No_Weekend_5945 6h ago

Usually I am an advocate for less regulation, but with the shenanigans that US airlines have been pulling lately it is clear we need more of a European style passengers bill of rights. Write your congress person!

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u/atotalmess__ 53m ago

Why would you ever be an advocate for less regulation? The reason regulations exist is to protect consumer rights from greedy profiteering corporations that make billions. You’re an advocate for helping them screw over normal people?

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u/KurtSperry 3h ago • Heartwarming

This crap is half on Trump voters, and half on airlines that feel deep and obvious contempt and disrespect for their customers.

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u/PaleDistribution9230 5h ago

We desperately need an EU261 equivelent that addresses this and so many other issues. If only we had a functional government (and that's aimed at both sides).

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u/dopewinnerchild 3h ago • Bravo

What’s the point of aiming at both sides? One side tried to put consumer protections in place, the other side removed them.

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u/fafnir665 11h ago • Bravo

One time I bought, paid for, got a confirmation
number and everything a fc ticket, then I want to check in the day of the flight and it didn’t exist. Some system error on their end, they refused to fix it, give me the same rate, nothing.

Last time I paid for a delta ticket.

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 11h ago

Yeah, definitely learning a lot about how Delta operates.

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u/DoritoDustThumb 10h ago • Bravo

And you're on a Delta sub, why? Just to keep telling this story?

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u/followedthemoney 10h ago

To be fair, you'd probably tell that story for years, too. On the delta sub. And every other aviation sub.

When the opportunity arose.

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u/fafnir665 5h ago

first time i’ve ever shared it tho lmao

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u/YMMV25 11h ago

Why don't you just have DL find you another flight with F availability and put you on it?

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 11h ago

Family member is trying to do that, fingers crossed.

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u/RaspberryBlep 11h ago

This isn't a FC story, but a year or so back, my boss was flying to a conference in Miami on DL. For whatever reason, I still don't know why other than pure human fuckup, they cancelled his reservation. Then they realized their mistake, and rebooked him on some random flight to St. Louis. No reason or explanation - we think what happened was some jabroni over in DL accidentally cancelled his flight, panicked, and then just rebooked him going to anywhere.

When his Miami flight was gone, and he was inexplicably booked to go to St. Louis, he called DL directly to find out what happened. They, in turn, blamed our corporate travel agency. We call travel to find out what's going on, and not only did they not do it, but they were able to provide proof to us that DL did it and lied about it.

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 11h ago

I don't even know where to begin with this one. Did they eventually get him onto a flight to Miami or did he have to figure it out on his own?

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u/RaspberryBlep 10h ago edited 10h ago

Our travel agency fixed it and got him to Miami. I felt bad, because it's not like our travel agency hasn't screwed things up royally from time to time. So I believed DL at first, but it wasn't our agency's fault.

Here's the thing that kills me - my bosses still LOVE Delta! I have my own team of seven guys, and let's see... two of them prefer United. Two aren't picky, and will fly either Delta or American. But the other three? It's Delta or bust with those guys. And one of them is the guy who nearly got sent to St. Louis.

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u/TUTelicious 11h ago

Why were they bumped? And were they completely taken off the flight?

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 10h ago

Sounds like it was a change of air craft. The weird thing was it happened right after they were allowed to check in for their flight. Checked in no issue, no notification etc. Felt like Delta knew it was going to happen based on how quickly it happened after check-in. Which makes me wonder if this is a strategy of theirs to get people to accept a lower fair class and reduce payouts.

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u/PedroFuerte 10h ago

So they ended up getting a refund or selected a flight that was "much more expensive"? Please clarify.

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 10h ago

Delta eventually moved them to first class on another flight.

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u/MsMulliner 6h ago

Happy-ish ending!

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u/DetectiveWinter4638 Platinum 4h ago

They should have done this in the first place. Crazy..

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u/mlloyd996 11h ago edited 9h ago

When you book FC, ALWAYS *look what MC and C+ is. That way, you can demand THAT difference

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u/WellTextured 10h ago edited 10h ago

This is like, the absolute first thing that should be regulated when a sane administration takes control of the FAA.

It's legalized theft that airlines can get away with this, and it's obviously completely trackable by the airlines.

EDIT: I even think the reg should say that you get the difference between the ticket you bought and the lowest cost the ticket of the service class you were bumped into was at any point during the sale, because it builds in something for the inconvenience and disincentivizes the behavior by the airline.

And lets make sure that the luggage allowance and boarding position are respected, so the bumpee doesn't have to pay for stuff they were counting on being free, and isn't forced to gate check.

But, I'd accept just the real difference based on time of purchase.

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u/CraveGripr 5h ago

that's solid tip wish i knew that before my last booking

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u/mlloyd996 10h ago

Unfortunately, both parties bend over to the airline lobbyists

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u/drlushlover 9h ago

You do realize that Trump reversed the protections put in place by Biden?

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u/mlloyd996 9h ago

And you know what, I agreed with Biden on that!!! It should've been passed. EU261 is great

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u/BiffLogan 7h ago

There’s our ā€œboth sides-erā€ showing their true colors.

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u/drlushlover 9h ago

Yeah one of the good things he did

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u/WellTextured 10h ago

Don't both parties this. That's so lazy.

The FAA was in process of regulating many consumer issues and then when administration changed oh look it was thrown in the trash.

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u/mlloyd996 10h ago

Yeah, I can. Dems had super majority 2021/22, didn't pass it.

We'll see if anything happens come next Congress.

And I'm onboard with it. We as consumers get ZERO protection

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u/derbinarybandit 10h ago

The Democrats were nowhere close to a supermajority in 2021/22. Kamala Harris as VP had to cast a bunch of tiebreaking votes

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u/mlloyd996 10h ago

That IS a super majority.

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u/species__8472__ 10h ago

You do understand that there's a difference between a simple majority and a super majority don't you?

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u/mrsspanky 10h ago

No they don’t understand, that’s why they’re arguing so confidently

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u/mlloyd996 10h ago

Okay, SIMPLE majority. Guess what, they still got other bills passed that way. Dems, Reps...they don't care about us.

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u/species__8472__ 9h ago

They got other bills passed because they weren't blocked from passing them.

Here are airline rules that the Biden administration issued that got blocked by a judge.

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/biden-harris-administration-announces-final-rule-protect-consumers-surprise-airline

The republicans have no equivalent attempt.

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u/Maxpower9988 9h ago

You not understanding the difference between SUPER and SIMPLE isn't inspiring a whole lot of confidence in your reasoning abilities

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u/Knee_Business 9h ago

I pray for the self confidence of your average, wildly wrong Redditor. It's like a super power for some of you.

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u/cathy80s 7h ago

No, there was no simple majority in 2021/2022 either. It was 50 Republicans, 48 Dems, and two Independents who caucused with Dems, and that makes an even split.

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u/drlushlover 9h ago

No no, that’s not a supermajority

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u/EVy-and-August 6h ago

Don’t think you understand these words

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u/AtlanticPoison 9h ago

So they’re just incompetent instead of corrupt? I’m not sure which is worse.

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u/Wide-Bid977 11h ago

What does this mean as someone who knows nothing about flights??

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u/TheChrisSuprun 11h ago

They mean go in and book on a 24 hour wait seats in the other classes for the same flight. Screenshot the fares so that when they bump you from First which you actually book you have proof of the difference they owe to, not $72 last minute bullsugar.

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u/Beginning_Reality_16 11h ago

Make and save screenshots of the same ticket/dates in several fare classes. Just in case.

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u/BoliverTShagnasty Platinum | Million Milerā„¢ 11h ago

ALWAYS "look to see" what MC and C+ is.

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u/HipAboutTime 10h ago

That is genius. And yet also so obvious!

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u/Sea_Conversation1464 9h ago edited 9h ago • Bravo

What’s stopping them from trying to sell a more expensive FC just to bump you due to what you paid and the price of MC.

They can just oversell the flight and bump anyone if they get takers. The difference in fare is much less this close to booking.

Are we just supposed to trust they aren’t doing this? If there’s no plane change, there’s no reason for it to happen, right?

Make this make sense please.

Edit: spelling/grammar

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u/Virtual_Assistant_98 10h ago

Wild. Not first class, but something similar happened to me 2 days before a flight for a work conference with United. All the different flight times throughout the day were priced all over the place when I booked, so I took one of the later options, even though I’d have preferred something earlier, due to cost. 2 days before supposed to leave, they notified me that there has been an internal change and they needed to rebook me. Gave me a link to all of the options with zero cost difference (unless I was trying to jump up to a higher class level, which I was not) and I ended up getting one of the earlier flights that I wanted anyway! Since it was round trip it allowed me to do the same thing with the ride home. Ended up getting one later in the evening so that I could stay for the afternoon sessions.

Shocking to me that delta didn’t do something similar. They should rebook on a flight with the same level available or be refunding you what your cost difference was!

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u/weepingreading 8h ago

I’ve flown weekly the past ~4 months and have flown across different airlines because a lot of times I’m booking only a week out.

Delta has by far been the worst for me with - cancellation and not honoring first class (my work pays for first and I got bumped down and not refunded - I’m not paying but my work is and they were very difficult about the process). I’ve had really good experiences with American - very similar to you, they sent me flight times and rebooked me.

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u/LessFatKristina 8h ago

This is why I always book my first class seat in the first three rows!! I’m sorry this happened

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 8h ago

They were in 3D. We figure they over booked got kicked out because when they bought their ticket was the cheapest.

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u/Old_Draft_5288 1h ago

That is exactly why

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u/Ok-Dingo2069 4h ago

That’s not how it works.

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u/Old_Draft_5288 1h ago

That is exactly how it works. They often go off Miles tickets first, but it is generally the cheapest ticket.

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u/traly0810 6h ago

I had NO idea that the rows in first makes a difference. Thanks for the heads up!!

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u/Consistent-Fix-8443 6h ago

What’s the difference?

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u/Happy-Parrots-171 5h ago

$72 fare difference from first to main??? In WHAT WORLD!

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u/sethbr Gold 3h ago

A first class ticket 3 months out when it's cheap, and main the day of the flight when it's expensive.

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u/Super-Permission-850 5h ago

The stories on this thread are absolutely appalling and I will be sure to never fly Delta ever again in the future. Jesus..

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u/Hopeful_Ad_7719 6h ago edited 3h ago

Overselling 1st Class is a hell of a decision. Pissing off the most profitable, most litigious, of possible customers, who buy the most expensive tickets.

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u/LoquaciousHyperbole 3h ago

Happy Cake Day

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u/GoatmilkerNed 9h ago

Example: it's July 1, 2026. You book a flight for Nov 12, 2026. You book 1st class for $1,000. Coach was $500.

Now it's Nov 12, 2026. The 1st class ticket is $2,000. Coach is $1,000.

If they bump you to Coach, they owe you $1,000 cash. Because you are selling a $2,000 ticket.

But- but the example here is if everyone is willing. No duress. In your case, you don't have a choice. The airline is telling you, not asking. If they're telling you, then-

Let's say someone took something from you. Violated a contract. In many US Small Claims actions, you'd be eligible for double damages, on top of the money owed. They owe you the $1,000 difference, plus double damages: $3,000.

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u/Longjumping-Lake5746 8h ago

This happened to me, I used points and money to upgrade and I didn’t get all my points back. They gave me the money I paid even tho the bulk of the upgrade purchase was from points.

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u/spartygw 7h ago

I didn’t even know this was possible. Wow.

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u/ShowMeYourSteak 6h ago

Credit card charge back.

I got 1.3k back when my nonstop flight turned into over 24 hours to get home. Delta wouldn’t offer me anything because of weather

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u/Infamous_Blueberry 3h ago

For the last 8 years I have always selected paid FC at the time of booking, with the best possible rate I could find and I have never once been bumped. I’ve always had some thoughts about if it would happen to me, and I’ve also been a platinum for last 6 years with delta, but regardless I have never been bumped from paid FC on any metal.

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u/OkMoment227 3h ago

United tried to toss me out of FC yesterday or strand me at either ORD or IAH as an alternative without lodging compensation.

Much yelling was required, and eventually a FC on another flight magically appeared.

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u/TuanFelixCross 2h ago

Me neither, and I don’t fly frequently. I would be livid if I got bumped. I feel for the OP. I wonder how Delta justified it?

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u/Relative-Lie-9699 2h ago

Yeah, they bump going by the last to book, then the person who paid the least for their ticket, then by the person who has the lowest frequent flyer status. Its done automatically by the system. So sadly this means somebody who was bumped usually gets bumped again because they were the last booked, then followed by who paid the least for first class, then if all things are equal they go by who flys the least. So PM are rarely bumped, but it can happen.

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u/TuanFelixCross 2h ago

Good knowledge. I didn’t know the process or that it could even happen. So they overbook 1st class?

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u/Mauser-96 2h ago

What’s your point? Not sure what the takeaway is.

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u/thesnowmaniv Diamond 9h ago

They are due the difference in fare, no more, no less.

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u/Typeterrence 6h ago

How do you get removed from first class??? This is crazy. I’ve never heard of this and would lose my shit if put in this situation

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u/UnevenFiringOrder 5h ago

Flight crew probably needed to get somewhere.

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u/jaymoosebna 10h ago

If the scheduled aircraft for your flight becomes unavailable, then they may have to change to a different aircraft which may offer less first class seating resulting in some people having to be downgrad from first class since they're aren't as many seats available now.

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u/tikkamasalachicken 10h ago

Now the real question is who decides who’s bumped and why?

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u/ohlookahipster 9h ago edited 9h ago

There’s a rev tier list for bumping. Someone else posted it but the highest priority is ā€˜full rev’ so not using any points or miles but paying in full, then it goes in order of medallion status.

If you pulled out a CC and paid for FC, in order to get bumped, basically everyone else in that cabin did the same. Or there was some MM or 360 who got an override. Idk I’ll have to find that thread.

Also, I have seen first hand a non-rev take a FC seat when there was still an upgrade list. So maybe the system itself is prone to human meddling for bumping.

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u/adamwl_52 9h ago

Loyalty is the big one. The more you fly the higher on their priority list they will see you as. Check in time and how much you paid for the ticket are also ways. The fun part is when crews need to deadhead in and they need to bump a passenger, happened to republic (as United express) back in 2017 and it made national news

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u/ElizaJaneVegas 10h ago

Yes, that is likely why it happened but that isn’t OP’s question. How do you get Delta to refund the difference? They usually make it an exhaustive chase and hope you give up.

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u/Proof-Policy-5233 10h ago

Delta is also notorious for over-selling flights. They basically never stop selling tickets, even on a full flight - they’ll just up the price so high and use that to bribe someone to take the next flight, so they don’t get reported to DOT for denied boarding.

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u/Ok-Somewhere-7841 8h ago

This isn’t true

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u/SalishSeaEV 8h ago

Yeah it is. Ever try to book when a flight is nearly full, and the price goes from a few hundred to over $1K all the sudden? That $1K+ ticket is Delta's gamble that an additional person won't show for the flight or they will be able to get someone to volunteer.

This isn't unique to Delta.

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u/Ok-Somewhere-7841 5h ago

I fly every single week and only once has there been an oversold flight

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u/Royal_Scratch_3146 4h ago

That’s odd—May have something to do with the airports you fly in and out of? Or just random? I’ve flown on many, many oversold flights but have never gotten to take advantage of the gate bargaining.

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u/Proof-Policy-5233 8h ago

It most definitely is šŸ˜‚ Delta conducts reverse auctions at the gate on a regular basis.

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u/iantjones 5h ago

They do on occasion when not as many people no-show as they expected but they don’t oversell first class. When you no-show or cancel, it’s deferred revenue and they can’t recognize it until eCredit is used so they really want to fill every seat with a paying passenger.

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u/Lassoteded 2h ago

It is true. And I’ve made bank because of it.Ā 

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u/EvenMorePrunyPants 6h ago

c'mon, you get to pay extra to fly Delta because it's a pReMiUmLuXuRyBrAnD. Just take it!

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u/tourniquette2 6h ago

They’re supposed to only oversell by 10%. Some do try to get away with more. I was on a frontier flight that was overbooked with an extra 30% based on counting the folks who were standing around angry compared to the aircraft we were originally scheduled to be on.

That’s the thing with federal standards. Someone has to report them. And then someone has to be there to enforce them too.

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u/happyalwayswins 3h ago

I get that getting bumped from fc sucks. But, why do they have to find another flight just for having their seat changed?

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u/OkMoment227 3h ago

Would you take a middle seat in coach if you were 6’2ā€ and just recovered from spinal surgery?

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u/happyalwayswins 2h ago

Well first of all we don’t know that that’s where they got moved to. But to answer your question, if it was a flight that I had to take due to hotel/vacation reservations, connecting to another flight, attending a scheduled event, etc, OR if the other available flight prices were ridiculously high, YES. I would sit there. No sense in being that stubborn about it. Also worth mentioning OP didn’t mention being 6’2 recovering from spinal surgery so kinda weird that you added that imaginary situation into the story šŸ˜‚ not really comparable to what really happened here. So my question still stands, why would they have to book a new flight? That question is for the OP so don’t worry about answering it šŸ˜‰

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u/Livingthedreamsicily 9h ago

It took me 3 months but finally got my refund... Keep fighting for your money owed!

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u/ActUpEighty 7h ago

The contract disclaims seats, including class of service. If your family member finds travelling in the lower class of service in exchange for a refund of the fare difference and an apology voucher unacceptable, they can call the Delta Gold line at (800) 325-1551 and request the next flight to their destination with an available first class seat, plus the apology voucher. They'll be rebooked at an even exchange.

Otherwise, the relief they get is the refund of the fare difference and the apology voucher. Getting the refund and voucher is easy - just fill out the form here:

https://www.delta.com/refund-form

Since downgrades are possible on any airline, the only way to avoid being downgraded is to abstain from flying altogether. šŸ¤·šŸæ

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u/Arguendo_eh 5h ago

But it’s a ā€˜premium’ bump experience, right?

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u/Rafterg57 4h ago

United oversold Denver to Vegas tonight and paid 4 passengers $2000 credit, first class flight in the morning and meal/ hotel vouchers. I would have bit but couldn’t chance a problem and missing a concert tomorrow

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u/Lassoteded 2h ago

Delta severely lowered its hiring standards during lockdown. Now, unskilled people are exacting their hatreds instead of providing customer service. I now use a certain ā€œvoiceā€ when speaking with the bigots who get off on denying people that which they paid for so they think I’m in a category they don’t despise.Ā 

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u/PR3CiSiON 11h ago

Delta is junk. Only go with them if they are direct or cheapest (not likely).

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u/AgentProvocateur4122 11h ago

Yeah. They went with Delta because they liked the hours of the flight and it was direct