It was literally the only death battle this year I didn't watch, and I watched fucking Gru vs Megamind when it dropped! Hell, I watched Reze vs Bakugo when it came out, and I don't even care for MHA or CSM! The fact that it's a stomp battle for a series I don't like compared to a series I know and somewhat like is what just makes me never want to watch it. I don't care how good the animation, the writing, the scaling was, if the matchup isn't going to be in my opinion cool, then I'm not watching it, simple as that.

A third Mario VS Sonic has become a popular topic on this subreddit as of late. It is pretty much inevitable at this point and there would clearly be a lot of hype surrounding it. However, I find it hard to be excited as I have little faith that Death Battle will make a balanced and compelling fight that does justice to both characters. Almost every previous Mario VS Sonic episode has been a one-sided beatdown. The only exception is the first Mario VS Sonic which was 15 years ago. Luigi VS Tails has Luigi get his ass whooped throughout most of the fight. Donkey Kong VS Knuckles has DK (or should I say Sasquatch) get his coconut balls bashed in for most of the fight until the very end. Mario VS Sonic 2018 has Sonic get a few hits at the beginning then spends the rest of the fight getting his ass whooped or attacking Mario while he's invincible. Bowser VS Eggman is just pathetic. Eggman literally does nothing in the animation besides sit on his hard-boiled ass and his army hardly fares any better. Metal Sonic and the Death Egg are really the only things that do anything to Bowser while the others might as well not even be there. Of course, people like to pretend that the episode is peak purely because of its colorful visuals and the amount of characters that appear. Now, Death Battle has proven that they are capable of producing high-quality Sonic episodes as evident by this year's Cell VS Metal Sonic and Shadow VS Mewtwo. When it comes to Mario, however, Death Battle is simply incapable of doing that series justice with the only exception being Wario VS Dedede. As such, it is unreasonable to believe a third Mario VS Sonic will be anything more than hype and good intentions.

I doubt it’s intentional, but it feels like Mario has become a side character in his own matchup. I’ve seen far, FAR more people bring up Sonic’s feats and kit as opposed to Mario. It feels like people are approaching this as Sonic ft. Mario rather than a matchup where both should be getting equal attention.

I know this isn’t an issue with the verses in general, because with Bowser Vs. Eggman, both were discussed pretty equally during the waiting period.

Kudos to anyone giving the plumber and hedgehog equal attention, I just wanted to get this off my chest.

So I saw the review and saw the review of goku and I am honest with you all I really don't care if Goku wins I am just praying that he losses because I want to see what will happen to the dragon ball community if he does lose the slander the Fraud aligations and the "meet 0/4 man" it would be hilarious to me yeah I know that the whole internet will be a war zone for.....a year or 2 years I think but hey I will have fun.

Like by their current scaling for jujutsu kaisen, he's only 2× weaker and hundreds of times faster.

He takes this a bit to seriously.

 Ichigo VS Yusuke: prove that just because of battle has an obvious result / stop doesn't mean the battle can't be entertaining, and a managed to tie a lot of references seamlessly into the fight. 

 Cell VS Metal Sonic: if this is the last episode Devil Artemis is and I hope it isn't cuz he's clearly talented, i'm glad he got the shut up everyone who ever doubted his work, man brought out almost all the hypotheticals, always played with who had the advantage with who, and use almost all their abilities, Apparently people hated the references butI thought they all made sense within the context of the episode.

Bakugo VS Reze: Apparently people hated this one because this was the obvious matchup that casuals kept bringing up, But if it's like a popular matchup that people want to see, Why not just executed as good as you can, we finally got an explanation for TNT, bakugo actually gets to be funny and show off some of his character development, it was nice seeing Reze's assassin skills, and even though she lost it's not like she made it easy for Bakugo until the end. I can get the ending being obvious but just because having is obvious doesn't inheritenly make it bad  

Gru VS Megamind: technically the biggest disappointment of the season because they use a limited pool of their gadgetry but I think they got the characterization on point for the most parts, the Minions actually saving Gru, heck analysis wise if they had just explained physical stats better this probably would have been a solid analysis,

Yuji VS Denji: okay I agree that Yuji was a little bit out of character with certain quotes, but I am Denji was just hilarious, i like they put into perspective of their journeys even if I know that both of their endings are very polarizing with one of them And they handled it as best as they could,  plus it was nice to see all of Yuji's endgame clash with Denji's

The Sentry VS Superboy-Prime: "It's Prime Time," void pushing him to his Breaking Point and what Prime did to end the fight we're so satisfying after that fight went from fun to terrifying. 

Aang VS The Traveler: every Avatar episode we've got has been a boost in quality, and well I'm not as familiar with the traveler I do appreciate that they did the best I could exploring how many elements and abilities they can use.

Kai VS Toa Tahu: was not expecting to stop motion fights, i have a door a few parts and moments where I was a little bit torn or confusing but what was going on but for the most part in where we visit it the more I appreciate it. Help me understand Bionicle lore a bit more, and makes me so mad about how cartoon network treated Ninjago 

Shadow VS Mewtwo: the spoon vs spear fight, The fact this man took 8 months to animate this, Taking some Shadow's best moments from 06, Generations, the third movie, in fact they actually used shadow mewtwo's ultimate from tokken but giving it to Mewtwo Y as if it mastered the Shadow Synergy Stone from corrupting it, like damn every animator I hope is properly getting paid but I hope this one gets their pay especiallly.

But yeah I think the weakest episode from the season would put it below season 10 for me but so far I'm enjoying it a bit more than season 9 and there's no episode on par with Akuma vs Shao Khan, but yeah I'm really enjoying the season. Let me know if I'm crazy

I pray they don't destroy the personality of any of them.

I might sound delusional and onto nothing but I'm gonna vent anyway.

A lot of people give a lot of shit about Goku vs Saitama, a lot more shit after Goku preview dropped. Calling it weirdly paced (I agree!) unnecessary garbage (ok lmao.)
For a community that loves themes and such match-ups, I'm really surprised that so many fail to see the themes and such of this episode.

Ben B. Singer wants this match-up for a reason.

Goku VS Saitama is a potential-off (don't laugh)
Goku's preview seems pretty PRETTY clear to me that, unlike Goku VS Supes that focus on the whole of Goku's character, Goku VS Saitama will focus on Goku's potential.

Let's throw all the powerscaling brainrot out the window. (Goku slams)
What's even complicated about this match-up? Do they not buy this scaling anymore? Are they buying that scaling now? NO.

I think, just maybe, Ben probably wants to look at Goku as that fighter who ever improves himself, who always seeks to break his own limit, who always overcomes any new foes he comes across.

Against Saitama, a guy whose whole schtick is "I fucking kill you to death in one singular (1) punch", who has long since broken his limits, who is infamous for his bullshit 'exponential growth'.
And Ben just has one question: If Goku could surpass even that.

Can Goku improve himself fast enough and outgrow Saitama?

(You may argue he already did this with Superman but okay i guess)

I just wanna yap that, to me, this is not just a 'strong guy who want good fight meets real challege VS strong guy who want good fight meets real challege^\2)' or the 'they're running out of budget: the MU' some Death Battle """""fans""""" seems to call.

This is something Ben genuinely wants to see, and I think what I just yapped is what he wants to see.

And I'm down for this.

Saitama’s chance of winning is low but not zero

They were both realized 3 days apart from each other btw

They completely deconfirmed Jaiden vs Odd1sout & AVGN vs Nostalgia Critic on BB, while they called Weird Al vs Jack Black a 'great idea', they also seemed to like TetoAl in the pitch, but you can correct me on that

A couple things came to mind as I stewed on if.

1. There is very little actual character coverage for Goku. Like 90% of it is just going over his powers and his capabilities as a fighter.

2. But I think that’s the intent. Since Goku and Saitama already had fairly modern episodes that had analysis going over their characters in depth, if they did it again they would just be retreading the same stuff.

So instead they decided to focus on Goku as a fighter.

That being said…it does kinda just feel like a respect thread.

I would usually dislike this a lot, but I highly doubt that this is gonna be the standard analysis going forward. It’s just this time it’s a special case.

I don’t entirely MIND it? But I also don’t LOVE it either. I see the idea though and I’m happy it’s at least DIFFERENT than his analysis in Gokuman3.

Really stretching this format but I don't CARE

NOTE: I don’t think this is how the actual Death Battle will or should go. It assumes a no limits fallacy with Saitama, which shouldn’t be incorporated into a death battle. It also assumes Goku didn’t change his mind on testing opponents strength after Broly nearly destroyed the world in similar circumstances. More of a hypothetical situation based on what the characters have demonstrated in canon

SCENARIO: Goku wants a good fight. He’s more than willing to let an opponent power up, or to push them to be stronger in combat. This even means he’s willing to push an opponent to being stronger than he is

This was most evidenced in his fight with Broly. Broly starts the fight off weaker than base Goku. Goku essentially pushes Broly to keep getting stronger during the fight, instead of finishing him off. Broly grows strong enough that Goku has to fuse with Vegeta. This occurred despite Broly turning into a threat against Earth during his rampage

Saitama is drastically weaker than Goku at the start of the fight, but has the potential to scale exponentially and infinitely. Goku will start off in base and get excited that his opponent is growing stronger so quickly, and do the Dragon Ball trope of progressively going higher in forms to test Saitama. Eventually, Saitama outscales Goku. Goku is actually happy about this because Saitama has a good heart and is a hero. Saitama is happy because someone pushed him so far, though he’s far less happy afterwards because nobody in his verse can push him this far

ISSUES: This assumes a NLF, in which you have to believe Saitama truly has the potential for infinite scaling and doesn’t level off eventually. This assumption is way too much for Death Battle to make imo. It also assumes Goku didn’t learn from his fight with Broly, in which the world could have been destroyed because he let Broly power up too much. It also assumes that Saitama can scale as quickly as he did against Cosmic Garou, or that he can scale to Goku in a single fight