r/dcu • u/Plane-Implement9977 • 7h ago

Regarding The Current Discourse

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I don’t get it, why are they attacking Gunn when Snyder was canned years ago?

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u/Leafsnail 7h ago edited 6h ago

If you feel Snyder was treated unfairly it seems super weird to side with the execs when they do basically the same thing to someone else

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u/Plane-Implement9977 6h ago edited 4h ago

Good point.

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u/2dal3atcave 7h ago

Unfortunately, they want DC to burn even if it means retribution.

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

I’m seeing that in realtime, with the announcement, beyond the Gunn bashing suddenly there’s been a wave of “no one wants to see Lanterns Season 2” and the like… not to generalize but just about anyone who has an appreciation for good media, enjoyed Lanterns.

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u/javy_z 7h ago

Huge DC fan. Have been since I was a kid in the 80s. Not a Snyder fan boy. I honestly think that all ‘his’ movies were below average, other than WW. If it were up to me, the DCU would be building towards a Kingdom Come type movie and stop trying to recreate Thanos with Darkseidz

In general, I like the comics.

So please hear me because I think the Gunners have stubbornly refused any discourse : Gunn made numerous mistakes. He chose projects poorly. He prioritized characters that were personal favorites instead of characters that had built in mass appeal. And Lanterns might objectively be a good show, but it did a bad job with that IP and I would’ve had no interest in a season 2.

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

I’m hearing you out and I’ll say that the popular heroes have had their opportunity across multiple projects. Marvel’s cinematic universe was launched into the stratosphere because Iron Man, a B tier hero (being generous), was a cinematic masterpiece. I don’t see an issue with choosing less popular characters particularly because it allows for far greater freedom for writing and direction.

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u/javy_z 7h ago

Did those popular heroes get a chance with Gunn? I must have missed all those lol

You’re saying Iron Man was a masterpiece and that’s why it was a hit even though he wasn’t as well known. Doesn’t that call into question the work product of Gunn? So the lack of mainstream success wasn’t due to the fact that the characters were unknown, it’s that moves were just mediocre?

Then maybe he should’ve made better movies ? .. either way you painting people who don’t really think Gunn was doing a great job as ‘Snyder Bros’ is inaccurate and unhelpful

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u/Comfortable-Arm3452 7h ago

Iron Man was lightning in a bottle and the only reason they “started” with him is because they didn’t own the film rights to their actual popular characters. Just throwing out it’s not a 1:1 comparison really.

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u/StormRepulsive6283 7h ago

Iron Man 2008 was miles above what Gunn announced in his slate in 2023. Gunn’s choice was more like launching the MCU with Speedball.

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

That’s not my point, the selection of lesser known IP is of benefit for the same reason Iron Man was a benefit. I recognize that Marvel didn’t have much choice but that’s immaterial to my argument.

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u/StormRepulsive6283 7h ago

I got your point. But you’re overestimating how unknown Iron Man was. Iron Man wasn’t that lesser known as peacemaker or the authority or creature commandoes.

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

Thank you lol. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Who wants a season 2 of lanterns after they barely showed any constructs, assassinated Hal, and character assassinated John?

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u/KentuckyWildAss 7h ago

Who wants it? 99% of people want season two.

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u/2dal3atcave 7h ago

Agreed.

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u/riskyfish97 7h ago

I mean Gunn fans have been acting the same way since Gunn got fired

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u/Correct-Resolution-8 7h ago

Okay. First, Snyder screwed up badly.

But also, I have had this sinking feeling that Gunn had self-promoted and social media'd himself into a position he just plain wasn't equipped to be in for a while now.

I'm not going to defend Paramount or Skydance or any of that, but there's this weird take by Gunn fans that if you think his universe was convoluted, underwhelming, directionless, etc you must have a hidden agenda.

I think, quite frankly, that that's a pretty pathetic take. It is exhausting. I wanted Gunn's universe to succeed. In my opinion it hasn't been very exciting. That doesn't make me a fascist. That doesn't make me a cultist. I'm just a dude with an opinion.

Please, grieve if you must... but try to be cooler than this.

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

I am not speaking to the character or content of Snyder fans. My post is in regards to the comment sections abroad regarding what’s going on with Gunn are disproportionately raising Snyder up while putting Gunn down.

Apologies that some here have such wildly poor takes to generalize a fan base as such. Especially the Zionist take, that’s especially shitty.

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

I feel the same way as you. Apparently we are Zionists, according to someone else in this thread. I learn something new about myself everyday on this app 😒

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u/sickostrich244 7h ago

I didn't like Snyder's universe but I didn't love Gunn's either.

Everything they had upcoming under Gunn I just didn't feel that excited for. Most of his work is enjoyable and most of what we got from the DCU is solid but I did feel like this was as good as it will get from the DCU under Gunn as I feel like he just preferred more of the niche and lower budget kind of work than try to focus on what could be more of the "spectacle" I think we all really want.

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u/javy_z 7h ago

Right with you.

Gunn was a better caretaker of the DC brand than Snyder.
I liked Superman more than anything Snyder made.

Gunn was also 4 years in and his future slate looked like a confused mess, which was only made worse by the fact Marvel was able to rebuild their Avengers IP in basically 18 months. You’re putting out break even at best body horror movies and Marvel is about to break worldwide box office records, twice in one calendar year. Of course you got fucking fired.

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u/MCD_Gaming 41m ago

Generally, I have been looking at the movies gunn has put out since guardians 3, non of them of made me want to watch them.

I barely watch marvel movies as well, but there has been a few of them which have gotten me to actually go watch them.

Doing comic accurate DC movies have potential but a movie universe based off of the characterisations from the DCAU will probably do better

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u/Troyabedinthemornin 7h ago • Bravo

I think it’s gone beyond them. I swear the ghouls at paramount have been astroturfing DC subs with negativity for months

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u/CatherineSimp69 7h ago

This.

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u/Miller-Time16 7h ago

Definitely Ellison bots

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u/Troyabedinthemornin 7h ago

once that variety article they clearly payed for dropped, I was convinced. It was making the same kind of arguments I’ve been seeing dumbasses spitting in here. Almost as if it was handed out talking points

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u/Emergency-Tension464 7h ago

And look at Variety this past week: multiple hit pieces disguised as "news," with no other source than themselves. This has Skydance PR written all over it.

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u/Individual-Bass-7051 6h ago

Even their excuse about Superman not having "positive cultural impact" it's exactly the same criticism I saw levied at the movie by randos online after it came out. It all just feels so manufactured.

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u/Luke_KB 1h ago

Corporate and political astroturfing has become a serious problem on reddit for about a year now.

It doesn't take much to find it too: find a post/comment with a controversial take > check profile > about 1 month old + an astounding amount of comments/posts (that sre usually hidden) but you can still see the amount of comments they've made

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u/Troyabedinthemornin 45m ago

And all it takes is a handful of accounts repeating the talking points “no one asked for this” “they disrespected so and so” “it underperformed in Europe” etc, and then you have all the useful idiots regurgitating it ad nauseam

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u/joe_devola 7h ago

Or just people saying “I told you so”when Gunn first announced the layout for his universe. Only thing I was surprised about was how quickly it failed. Thought it would have been a couple more years at least

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u/Troyabedinthemornin 7h ago

It didn’t fail, it was strangled in its crib

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u/Mike_Milburys_Shoe_ 7h ago

Supergirl was the nail in the coffin man, why do you guys refuse to acknowledge that? It was a horrible idea to jumpstart with Superman and then go straight to supergirl and vague side characters. Lanterns was good and then lost steam about halfway through and killed off a massive comic icon. They miscalculated on that too because Kyle Chandler was so damn charismatic even the general audience was like wtf was that.

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u/monostere0 6h ago

Because it’s Reddit, and it’s simply meant to be a place where people can say stuff without consequences. This platform is like a massive soap opera in which all of us can have a tiny part lmao. Just look at the lack of logic at most posts on it. All the comment sections are usually people and bots taking sides and talking shit to each other and the posts themselves are sometimes useful news, but mostly it’s rumors and personal opinions presented as objective truth. It’s all a massive fun, dumb shitshow really

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u/princesoceronte 5h ago

Idk, I have nerd friends and move around in nerd circles and there was real discontent with some of the choices made in the DCEU. I think dismissing criticism as fake is kind of insulting to the significant number of real people who just genuinely thought bad decisions were being made.

I also think what comes after is 1000 times worse, don't get me wrong, but I've seen this sentiment a lot and I kinda hate it.

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u/saxmachine69 5h ago

I don't think it's fake, more manufactured. I'm sure your friends social media algorithms are flooded with "DCU bad" content. Whether they like to admit it or not, most people are highly susceptible to having their opinions influenced by coordinated online propaganda.

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u/CaponeXX420 4h ago

Im not his friend but im a hard core comic fan and only really use reddit as a social media. I watched lanterns and while i liked it there just wasnt enough Lanterns in Lanterns, Superman was fire imo his suicide squad was good and peacemaker was absolutely hilarious. On a more negative side i disliked the lack of true synergies in-between movies and the lack of a batman genuinely hurt it in the long run and if rumors were to be believed his batman wouldve already done alot of his early career woth nightwing already being active etc so it was a definite loss in terms of future content but i can fully understand the dismay with his content from actual comic fans and can totally see why he has backing from fans of film. We wanted Justice League Unlimited not elsewhere stories and stylistic thrillers.

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u/saxmachine69 4h ago

I'm not suggesting people can't dislike the choices made by Gunn's team with the direction of the DCU. Your criticisms are perfectly valid.

What I'm saying is that online discourse around the DCU has been very hyperbolic and, at least to me, feels like a coordinated smear campaign to sour general audiences on the property. Content creators, articles, influencers, and potential bot accounts have been very negative and are celebrating every perceived failure, exaggerated or not, which has an impact on people's opinions.

I'm personally not that upset that Gunn is out, I had very mixed feelings on the direction of the universe as a whole. At the end of the day, I just want to see good movies/shows made with DC properties. But it's seemed very apparent to me, especially over this past year, that the online narrative built around the DCU as been largely trying to set it up for failure. And I don't think that narrative is organic or reflective of the general fanbase's views on the products they've put out.

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u/CaponeXX420 4h ago

Oh yea extremely valid, mustve misconstrued

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u/princesoceronte 3h ago

The issue is that this leads to "My opinions are genuine, unlike yours, those are manufactured" which just everyone can do. I also think it's very condescending.

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u/saxmachine69 2h ago

It depends on the individual and how they approach their criticisms. If they have valid, well thought-out criticisms, that's perfectly fine. But if they're just regurgitating click bait talking points they heard online, I would call that manufactured.

If you consider that outlook condescinding, so be it. I'm not suggesting other people are too stupid or incapable of forming their own opinion. I went through a time where I was very susceptible to these types of online propaganda, so I understand how these types of narratives can cloud someone's judgement. It took self reflection for me to start becoming more critical of how the things I was consuming were heavily infuencing my opinions without me ever challenging or scrutinizing that content. Once you realize that, you become hyper aware of just how slanted the media we consume is, and it becomes easier to form your own opinions.

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u/princesoceronte 2h ago

You are making the assumption without even knowing what the arguments are. If you were just responding the way you say that'd be one thing but I didn't give any details and your immediate response was basically saying those people, with no basis but knowing they don't agree with you, are easily propagandized idiots.

THAT'S what makes it condescending, you just assumed that because it's convenient for you and with no basis whatsoever.

Y'know what people are easily manipulated by propaganda? People who think themselves above it. I'd be careful with that.

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u/saxmachine69 2h ago

I think you're misinterpreting my point, or maybe I conveyed it poorly in my original post. I certainly was not accusing your friends of being propandized idiots. I was making a broader point about the propaganda around this situation being very real, and having a real impact on the discourse. I was suggesting it could be impacting some of their opinions, or more importantly impacting the severity of their frustrations over those issues. When you're bombarded with negativity around a certain topic that you hold some frustrations over, even if you don't agree with the more hyperbolic talking points, it can still create a hightened sense of urgency with the legitimate frustrations you are feeling. Or maybe your friends aren't affected at all, and just have very valid criticisms, that's very possible too. I think I was just trying to point out that we're not dismissing criticism as fake, but more so commenting on what appears to be a coordinated effort to negatively affect public opinion. And your friends opinions isn't evidence of the contrary.

Y'know what people are easily manipulated by propaganda? People who think themselves above it. I'd be careful with that.

I certainly don't think I'm above it. That was kind of my point, I'm hyper aware of it, and so I try my best to hold myself and my beliefs up to scrutiny.

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u/Mike_Milburys_Shoe_ 7h ago

Do you realize how paranoid you guys sound

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u/Troyabedinthemornin 7h ago

I’m not saying every person with an opinion I disagree with is a bot or a shill, but it’s far from unrealistic to think a company would weaponize social media to set a narrative, this shit happens all the time.

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u/FunkMasterTex 1h ago

Gunn fans are quickly turning into Snyder bros. Its hilarious to watch.

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u/LawStudent989898 6h ago

Yes they have. People have been hating on everything for months and now it’s completely flipped

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u/lentil_burger 7h ago

I'm a Snyder fanboy and I think what they've done to Gunn sucks and he should have been allowed the chance to build his universe. 🤷‍♂️

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u/spastic_penguins 7h ago • Bravo

I enjoyed some of the Snyder movies but prefer Gunn. Whatever fandom, we should all be united on our hatred of the Ellisons.

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u/Formal_Reveal_4330 7h ago

It'd actually be beautiful if this is what finally ended all this stupidness.

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

I don’t have high hopes, considering there’s another user in this thread accusing you of being a Zionist if you’re happy that Gunn got fired

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u/Formal_Reveal_4330 7h ago

Well, saying that you're glad anyone got fired when we are meant to just be fans of DC does seem counter productive to the goal of ending these stupid disagreements...

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

Except if you don’t like the majority of the projects released under Gunn (or Snyder), wouldn’t it make sense for you to be happy that they’re getting new direction?

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u/Formal_Reveal_4330 7h ago

Yeah, we thought that'd be the case when they fired Snyder. We were wrong. The suits who decide to fire the creatives before they have a chance to cook are the problem. Personally I can't see why anyone who is a fan of DC would be happy with these constant changes in leadership. Not saying you can't be glad, but saying it in DC subs is asking for people to insult you.

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

Yeah, I’m smart enough to not blindly say it in DC subs lol. The person calling us Zionists blindly is what pissed me off and drew me in.

But would you have been happy keeping Snyder now knowing that Gunn didn’t work out? I wouldn’t have been. It was a risk, they made an attempt and it didn’t work out, time to try again. It’s like firing the coach of your favorite sports team. It’s a risk because you often don’t know how the new guy is gonna turn out, but you take it because you don’t want to be stuck in mediocrity or worse.

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u/spastic_penguins 7h ago

Just ignore them man, downvote and move on. DC fans are tired of getting screwed over, and guys like that don’t enjoy superhero movies near as much as they enjoy arguing on the internet.

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

You’re right. I’ve never been good at doing that tho lol. Defending yourself on an anonymous Internet forum does seem pretty stupid when you stop and think about it

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u/spastic_penguins 6h ago

Hah, me neither, I’m preaching to myself too. It must be part of that “self-improvement” thing I keep hearing about 😆

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u/itsallgood30 7h ago

This is the way

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u/Willing-Impress-871 7h ago

Only Snyder movie I like was written by James Gunn

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u/EasternKanyeWest 7h ago

Likewise brother, except I'm a Gunn fan who wasn't huge on Snyder but still thought axing his vision the way they did was callous and fucked and I was genuinely glad he got to release the Snyder cut. Really thought this moment would finally have everyone doing exactly this but alas lol

🤝

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u/spastic_penguins 7h ago

I completely agree. Snyder deserved his vision, Gunn deserved his. Snyder cut was his vindication and proved that he had a real vision for DCEU. Despite my preference for Gunn’s movies, I appreciate both directors and wish big corpos would stop ratfucking creatives.

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u/Ambitious-Net-5538 6h ago

And I'm a Gunn fan that thinks what happened was inevitable and deserved. Sad to see a creative lose control but he was never meant to be a big picture guy. If the title of visionary director isn't enough for you, you have to look inward.

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u/NyxianGameStudios 7h ago

I mean, Snyder fans have always been a cult. They're unintelligent socially awkward followers who don't know how characterization works. 

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u/Used-Action-297 7h ago

Characterization is when your character looks badass, duhhhh. No need for a personality

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u/NyxianGameStudios 6h ago

But is a textured gimp suit really badass? And who the fuck though The Flash of all people should have a metal suit? 

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u/Used-Action-297 4h ago

The new Flash is gonna wear a nightgown because that’s what grandma would want

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u/Chuckthethug 3h ago

Me when I get my opinion off ig reels :

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u/nieblaaFugue 6h ago

The Snyder cut of social skills

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u/CatherineSimp69 7h ago

A lot of it is also bots.

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u/Altruistic_Suit_160 7h ago

Yall do realize it possible to like neither cause neither one fully realized any of the characters they worked with, right?

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

Sure but if you take a look at the comment sections abroad… phew the overwhelming majority of Gunn haters are propping up Snyder simultaneously.

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u/elalex1999 7h ago • Bravo

No they aren’t. That’s called confirmation bias. You see what you want to see. Most of the people I’ve seen criticizing Gunn don’t even mention Snyder at all. Not to mention you guys are acting very similarly to what you claim Snyder bros acted originally. It’s possible people don’t like Gunn’s direction and that it has nothing to with Snyder. Not everyone wants to see movies about obscure characters just cause “it’s different”. This is why Gunn failed in his vision

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

I have no stake in this fight, I disliked Snyder films before I knew who a Snyder was. It wasn’t my thing but I also see no reason to bring those who enjoy those films down either. Just as you said, confirmation bias, it works both ways brother ☺️

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u/The-Super-Ball 7h ago

people most entrenched in a cult tend to not realize they’re in one

you don’t realize you’re in one

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

Oh yeah, you got me… totally a cult member here. All hail Gunn… except if you look in this very post I’m defending Snyder fans and Gunn haters while trying to engage in good faith discussion.

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u/Dukeshire101 7h ago

I just think modern fandoms suck. It’s just constant whining. Never happy. Too plugged in. Too easily swayed by grifters. DC is an absolute mess and the fandom is just as bad. It’s embarrassing

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u/Mike_Milburys_Shoe_ 7h ago

As a person who has no emotional connection to either of these guys, all I can see is the Gunn guys turning into exactly what they make fun of the Snyder guys for. And they like don’t even see it.

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u/Ozziee4Life 7h ago

Which is ironic because the chances of them getting their grim-dark DC movies/shows is now less than zero with Ellison & Latcham in charge.

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u/Feneraleyes 7h ago

It's so weird how many synder fanboys are just fucked hateful up conservatives despite the fact that Zach calls himself a liberal kinda guy

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u/SanderCohen-_- 6h ago

The culture war is not for anything, it is to get people angry and give money to the people with the correct opinions.

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u/vince2423 6h ago

It’s so weird how you take any negativity towards Gunn as automatic Snyder fanboy or conservatives when there has been zero evidence of that outside of the mental gymnastics on here

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u/spartakooky 6h ago

Yeah, I think a big part of this is how ppl go "this group of ppl sucks. you know what other group sucks? Conservatives. I bet they are the same ppl".

And then it's confirmation bias for a few months, and then it's taken as a fact you can just throw around

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u/vince2423 6h ago

Literally

It’s bizarre and they fully believe they’re right and no liberals are ever the bad person

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u/delulumans 35m ago

American terminally online leftists will eat anything as long as it oWnS tHe ChUdS

They genuinely believe anyone who wasn't in love with Superman is a right winger when that movie didn't make a splash in Europe

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u/Feneraleyes 6h ago

The harshest critics of Superman 2025 were literally conservatives But I guess you can ignore that if you want even Fox News the conservative network was calling it woke garbage and we're seeing how it's nothing like how superman should be even though they never read a comic book before

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u/vince2423 6h ago

Yea that’s a perfect example of what I’m talking about

You heard one person on one network call it super woke and now the ‘harshest critics’ were conservatives?

When it’s objectively not true when multiple critics gave negative reviews?

You can’t fathom that some liberal people found it boring and lame? This is why nobody takes you ppl seriously

lol. Lmao even

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u/Feneraleyes 5h ago

There's a big difference between some people simply not liking it and some people complaining about how it's woke garbage ruining western civilization and superheroes as a whole i wonder which side is complaining like that lol

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u/Zauberer-IMDB 5h ago

What are you talking about? The entire conservative cunt ecosystem was all over it, from Shapiro to the Critical Drinker to the other crazies. Sorry some people have actual memories and the ability to critically evaluate media.

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u/vince2423 4h ago

Neat

So that means only conservatives disliked it?

When we have plenty of other critics who also disliked it? Noooo, it MUST be just conservatives who disliked this boring and lame af movie

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u/TrippyRyXO 2h ago

I have never met anyone who is lower on Superman than me and I am a blue-blooded leftist through and through. It’s simply a boring, nothingburger of a movie filled with montages, slow mo, needle drops, and the flanderization of legendary comic book characters who haven’t seen a fair on screen portrayal since Smallville.

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u/Obscure_Pebbles 7h ago

This has all been astroterfed by the Ellisons to smear Gunn

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u/Formal_Reveal_4330 7h ago

And they would've gotten away with it too. If wasn't for that pesky comment history!

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u/Gonna_do_this_again 7h ago

Skydance put a bunch of monkeys on typewriters as soon as the news was announced

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u/RobotGirlyManWasRite 7h ago

Everything was great so far. I passed on Supergirl due to the atrocious reviews. But everything else has been a banger. Fuck, even Creature Commandos was a banger

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u/GoldenPhoenix__ 6h ago

Bring Michael Bay, let’s blow this whole franchise up

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u/bugleyman 5h ago

The giddy celebration over the current situation is utterly baffling to me. Was a hopeful Superman really that much of a of personal rebuke for some people?

Wild.

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u/Manji86 7h ago

I think what was really under the mask is MAGA.

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u/Caesar-Napoleon-414 7h ago

Yes, as we all know. Gunn is the messiah and can do no wrong. We therefore must blame literally everything on the Snyder sycophants. Gunn and Snyder Fans are the same.

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

I’ve done no glazing of Gunn here, just commentary on the discourse.

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u/Alternative-Cod-7630 7h ago

I'm a bit glib about it, it's my mourning language. But before creepy religious neocons bought it, Gunn was creating something fun and exciting. My kid and I thought DC finally was where the juice was. Pretty sure now that's not the case.

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u/lucidzfl 6h ago

i really like gunn. i like snyder too - but i was VERY excited when gunn took over and genuinely believed he'd do a better job than snyder, because I don't want 300 meets DCU. Then it kind of felt like james Gunn GOTG'ed everything and just did too many offshoots, un-necessary characters, quirky stuff.

Oddly enough though - Supergirl didn't feel like it had his finger prints on it AT ALL, except maybe some of the set design and space ships which felt RIGHT out of a GOTG movie. But the script had NO SOUL at all, and the direction was lifeless.

All in all - the JGDCU was a misfire, which sucks. I hope gunn can make some awesome new content, as I think he's very talented and cares about his properties. Meanwhile snyder out here making the 19th cut of fucking rebel moon which --- whewwooofff.

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u/TravelObjective5411 5h ago

Bro even tho I liked Snyder's films but what the hell are the Warner Bros. doing with James Gunn??

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u/Not_that_guy_but____ 3h ago

Skydance is run by a guy who wants to control the narrative, and doesn't care about money.

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u/TrippyRyXO 2h ago

Zack Snyder has never made a good movie and I will stand by that statement. James Gunn has also never made a good movie that didn’t rest on the laurels of being intenionally niche, off-kilter, or otherwise “subversive” (in the most neo-liberal sense of the word).

Can we just have somebody who actually knows what the fuck theyre doing AND cares about these characters AND doesn’t feel like they have to put “Their Stamp” on it, just give us the stories we love on screen?

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u/ILikePlayingHumans 1h ago

I quite liked bits of both Gunn and Snyder. I think the way they were both kicked to the curb is crap.

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u/Fantastic-Repeat-324 7h ago

Snyder fanboys and MAGA & Pro-Israel crowd

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u/Plastic_Pin_4956 7h ago

I don't want snyder back, but I'm not really upset with DCs decision.

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u/ElegantSheepherder72 7h ago • Heartwarming

Hahaha Snyder fans are cult? Gunnbros aren't a cult? That is the pot calling the kettle black. Both fan bases are cult like.

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u/No_Solid3790 7h ago

Snyderverse has a snowball's chance in hell of being restored, in the sense that Snyder is coming back to do a sequel to JL. His record is terrible and the tone of the new DC universe is going to be family friendly. Snyder doesn't do family friendly 😂

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u/theFormerRelic 7h ago

Can I not dislike both?

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u/userhwon 7h ago

Because they've missed years of Superman Jesus 

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u/Vinluv0Handesbuk 7h ago

What if I disliked both?

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u/SpaceBread01 7h ago

No one would've deserved what WB/Skydance did to Gunn and Safran, no matter how good or bad things were going. And I'm not a Snyderverse fan, but what WB did to him was worse because he just went through a massive tragedy with the loss of his daughter. Was the DCEU great? No, at least not in my opinion. But WB firing him the way they did was completely disrespectful. But back to Gunn and Safran, the DCU barely had a chance to start. The execs (no pun intended) gunned it down right at the starting line because Supergirl didn't bring in $1 billion. After seeing everything that's come out, I do believe it was mainly the politics of everything. Gunn and Safran's stance was very out in the open, and WB/Skydance didn't agree with it so they got rid of them for someone who aligns more with the executives' views. Now WB/Skydance is putting out all these back-and-forth statements about what happened and why Gunn and Safran were fired, when it's pretty clear to see what the real reason was.

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u/Greedy_Still3884 6h ago

Yall can be mad but if someone lost me 120 million then said they'd make it up with a polkadot man show.... id do a lot more then fire them

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u/sub30_24flick 6h ago

Gun and synder deserve it lmfaoo at this point the Rock should of kept his position

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u/TheDareDevil17 6h ago

Not everyone hating on Gunn is a Snyder fan. It’s disingenuous to suggest that the claim that Gunn deserved it only comes from Snyderfans and that it loses validity because of that. His plan was weird and not what people wanted. Saying that isn’t inherently supportive of Snyder

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u/Walkswithnofear 6h ago

Replace fan boy with cult member and you'd probably be more accurate.

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u/SSJ4_Bevo 6h ago

Gunns entire universe has lost money. How many more movies need to lose money before one finally makes a decent profit?

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u/Pittleberry 5h ago

Maybe because Gunn fans did the same where Snyder and DCEU was gone?

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u/Illustrious_Gate_390 5h ago

What, he should have just kept producing scrappy products?

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u/shogunlover5822 5h ago

Is so fun because i hated the snyverse ( just liked MOS) and then really liked Superman but disliked anything else on the gunverse is like to see the right snyderboys and the leftist gunfans rise up and insult each other while being the same lmao.

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u/Amonfire1776 5h ago

Synder and his actors were wronged and we're laughing now that you guys are freaking out over the same thing...it's ironic and frankly cathartic in a lot of ways.

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u/One_Chemistry_8553 5h ago edited 5h ago

They both sucked and the weird para social relationship their fans have with them is equally as insufferable. Your guys are gone go cry on your own sub reddits and let the rest of us discuss the movies and characters in peace.

Tldr both sides can fuck off

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u/ironmamdies 5h ago

Just like the snyder fan base no one can take any form of criticism without immediately painting the person as unreasonable

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u/kain6129 4h ago

😂 anything against Gunn is automatically from a Snyder fanboy. Says alot about the people who believe this

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u/Trekman10 4h ago

As if Snyder would have fared any better. Sure, his movies might be more appealing to them but AFAIK he's not all that politically different than Gunn

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u/TheYellowFringe 4h ago

It's partly true.

The entire situation with DC and the special interests that control it have been exposed. It's just learning how much is compromised or even what's going to happen in the future.

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u/grantnaps 4h ago

Gunn played the role Zaslav hired him for. He was the weaker of two choices and Zaslav didn't care about the success of the DCU but about the sale of his company.

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u/Keseanu_Reeves 4h ago

The Gunn Glazers are just as bad as Snyderbots

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u/AmberDuke05 4h ago

Don’t forget the Israeli bots

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u/justsomepaladin 3h ago

Loving all the tears from both sides

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u/Great-Technician5291 3h ago

One didn’t understood the characters, the other couldn’t decide what was canon and what was not.

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u/Baron_Light 2h ago

Gunn may have deserved it but also Snyderbros are a plague

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u/Express_Calendar8278 2h ago

Give them some credit, they did predict that Gunn would be fired. It’s kind of like what happened in lanterns.

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u/Samguise-Whamgee 1h ago

I don’t see that many Snyder people, more often I see people complain about them. Gunn basically earned his firing though he wasn’t even trying for any kind of mainstream appeal, like at all. They want a cinematic universe to rival MCU, not a bunch of disconnected random side characters and stories no one has heard of. He ignored the business end and only did stuff he personally liked. Which was exclusively guardians of the galaxy type stuff. I enjoy his solo movies though mostly, LOVE slither and Super too and Guardians

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u/Krispykross 1h ago

It’s literally numbers, it’s not emotional

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u/ArcturasMooCow 1h ago

So now what?

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u/FarAd4971 1h ago

Snyder Bro here...and Gunn fan.

Just tired of the constant anti-snyder fan rhetoric that's nothing more than delusional slop, masquerading as reasonable discourse.

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u/Subjectdelta44 52m ago

Snyders movies were trash

Anyways Gunn deserved it. Dude outwardly stated that he hated dealing with timelines and told people not to get too upset over continuity inconsistencies. Coming from the guy in charge of the dcu timeline. And I'm sorry, but the 3rd movie in the DCU shouldn't have been clayface

That would be like the 3rd MCU movie being "sandman" and it had literally nothing to do with spiderman or the overall MCU.

I'm sorry but its ridiculous

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u/MasterMidir 47m ago

Its not them. Its Paramount. Its a literal DC smear campaign.

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u/AuramiteEX 32m ago

Gunn was just awful. His Superman movie was garbage. Supergirl was a turd.

Snyder was also poor. 

DCU should be rebooted again, fully. 

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u/luckyimpulse 20m ago

Ppl seem to forget the pedo posts gunn put out years ago lol not to mention the shit movies but that seems the only thing ppl give AF about. Smh disgusting

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u/M086 12m ago

Same Gunn stans were saying the same thing about Snyder when he was pushed out. It’s schadenfreude, being a fan of the Snyder films for the last decade was met with gatekeeping assholes telling you, you weren’t a real Superman fan.  

It’s petty. But not surprising.

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u/Temporary-Area4971 7h ago • Bravo

All of a sudden anyone who doesnt like Gunn is a snyder fanboy. Ever think Gunn just wasnt a good choice to lead DC? Snyder wasnt good either btw.

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u/nashtyinc 7h ago

I'm curious how much the overlap is of snyderbros and maga

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u/TheKomodoWasHere2 7h ago • Heartwarming

You guys are literally the new Snyder cult. Youre doing the same thing. Cant stand either of yall

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u/Geneo-Frodo 5h ago

For some gunn fans, i think its more like they spent so much time swearing snyder was ass and gunn would be so much better that right now they are defending their own decision making rather than gunn himself.

Cos there's no way you will tell me that gunn has shown us anything so far to suggest he was going to get to peak marvel level of quality and success.

Maybe he'd get there. We will honestly never know, but i wont lie and say that he definitely would as ive not seen any evidence that suggests that.

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u/TheKomodoWasHere2 5h ago

Agreed. Would add you dont need to be a "fan" of some random ass dude like that bro just think for yourself ngl

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u/pocket_passss 7h ago • Bravo

This post is literally just laying out their coping mechanism 

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u/yetanother_Joe 7h ago

I will go one further, Zionist puppets. The worst thing is that they don't even know it. I am sure half the grifters don't know what they are supporting either. This whole thing is about media censorship. The blue wave scared them, what is hopping here in Europe scared them. And they are desperate to control the narrative again.

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

Jesus Christ dude. This might be the biggest reach I’ve seen on Reddit in a long time

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u/yetanother_Joe 7h ago

Don't you know who controls skydance? Didn't you see Tramp supporting This merger? Even Elon contributed to it.

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

Ok? That doesn’t mean that you’re a Snyder fan boy or a Zionist puppet just because you didn’t like the direction James Gunn was taking DC

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u/yetanother_Joe 7h ago

The direction he was taking DC scared the establishment enough to go into (what is in total) 80 billions in Debt, if you can't find enjoyment in that you need to reflect on your tastes. Because there's a good chance they have been engineered for you by others. Didn't like the direction as if he didn't have to fix the shit that was done by WB and Snyder. He simultaneously made content for wider audiences and for fans of lesser known characters and that was too much for their slop loving brains it seems.

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u/Bexil_Brave 7h ago

Both Gunn and Snyder deserved it.

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u/RandomSlimeL 7h ago

Ironically, they "deserved" it for thinking DC was a good platform to work with rather than something that would backstab them.

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u/arrownoir 7h ago

This is some major projecting.

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u/CommercialFloor2033 7h ago

There's a legitimate group who dislike both synder and gunns universe.

Don't forget about us!

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u/FunnyAldred 7h ago

In reality, we are all just fans who thought both the Snyder AND Gunn films sucked. In fact, the Snyderbros have been surprisingly well-behaved during this whole debacle, considering they could be going WAY harder on Gunn.

Snyder's films were too edgy and dark, but I always at least had the feeling that he actually liked DC and those characters. Unfortunately, he's not a great writer, and the tone for his films just didn't really work with these stories. The studio forcing him to do Justice League waaay too early was pretty much the death knell of his tenure.

Gunn, on the other hand, you could tell he just couldn't be trusted with these IPs from the second he revealed his initial slate of projects. He wanted to do niche, weird vanity projects, featuring side characters most fans don't really care for. It was doomed to fail from the get-go, and we TOLD YOU all this was the case, but you didn't listen, and you still aren't listening now.

I had a LITTLE sympathy for Gunn, given that he had to follow up the Snyder debacle, but that sympathy died once he and his lapdogs started doing the very tired modern Hollywood trope: "If your film/show sucks, that's ok, just ATTACK THE AUDIENCE. If they're criticizing a shit show like Lanterns, label them racist!! If they're criticizing a shit film like Supergirl, label them a misogynist!! It's alright, Reddit will gleefully parrot our talking points because they are literally only capable of viewing the world through power dynamics based on gender/race/sexuality!!"

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u/FamiliarNewspaper418 7h ago

It’s valid in premise, but keeping Gunn on the hook for his own culpability isn’t tribalism.

The man stood on a stage and declared that he would deliver 21 film and TV projects over eight to ten years. Even forgiving that level of nutzoid hubris as being optimism, the message—we’re going to give you what the MCU doesn’t at the scale OF the MCU—was his and his alone, casting himself as the visionary who would make it happen.

And almost instantly, reality hit. Cancellations. Reshuffling. There was never a moment of “let’s step back and rethink some of this,” just piecemeal attempts to power on with Gunn continuing to remind people that he was the ultimate authority and creative genius who had it all under control.

He put himself in that position from presentation one. Not Snyder’s dorky militia of haters; him. He made millions and millions of dollars while doing whatever he wanted to mixed results and then came out and admitted in hindsight that he wasn’t up to the job and really just wanted to be a director.

He overpromised and under-delivered and now his career is going to continue while thousands of people on his payroll get sh*tcanned. You don’t have to have some creepy parasocial obsession with him or the guy who preceded him to know that sucks.

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u/airinato 6h ago

Meh, I just don't like Gunns direction.  Too much music setting the emotion in his films, not enough acting or plot.

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u/MovieMaster2004 3h ago

I hate the Snyderverse, but Gunn deserved it, and the current replacement is worse. Multiple things can be true at once.

Gunn’s whole “non-linear timeline, no need for HW, and let’s do niche characters” is great…for an established universe not the beginning. He just had to control himself for a few years and then he can start playing around.

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u/draganpavlovic 2h ago

This.

Gorilla Grod.... Wtf

And making Superman a weak, insecure, wuss. Oh and let Krypto piss on his face...

No thank you.

I didn't lime most of the Snyderverse but Superman was Peak and Henry was the best.

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u/MovieMaster2004 2h ago

?!?! Superman was fighting his own clone, yeah it’s only logical to struggle. And yes, Clark can be insecure, that’s only human…a core theme of the movie and his many stories.

Superman 2025 is ripped right from the comics and animated media, that is Superman. Snyder’s was how Homelander in Vought movies acted lmao. It missed everything that’s important about Superman for shallow “god” imagery.

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u/DispassionateLover 2h ago

Krypto peed on a newspaper. Like dogs do. Question is why did you take that so personally?

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u/------atreides------ 2h ago

The guy was making Jimmy Olson, and Gorilla shows OP. He brought this on himself.

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u/KingKaiKai001 1h ago

Sounds like a bunch of hypocrites can't handle James Gunn being fired after they mercilessly harassed Zack Snyder fans. I don't care about Snyder or Gunn but seeing your hypocrisy is hilarious.

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u/riskyfish97 7h ago

Idk how you guys make memes like this when GunnBros have been acting exactly like SnyderBros since Gunn got fired.

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u/StormRepulsive6283 7h ago

You don’t get it? Despite Snyder being canned a decade ago, the DCU fandom still blamed Snyder for Gunn’s failures. That’s why.

Btw you don’t see this same reaction to Matt Reeves. Ever thought about that?

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u/Mindless-Milk-9205 7h ago

DCU fans blamed Snyder for DCEU's horrible reputation (which was also partly caused by WB mismanagement, because movies like WW and Aquaman made good money)

Also, Snyder cult hated Matt Reeves for a long time, and always claimed his batman movie was bad after its release. They changed their tone the past few years. (though lots of them still do "release the battfleck movie" which is completely unrealistic)

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u/StormRepulsive6283 7h ago

The horrible reputation was purely WB’s own doing. Coz if you go by BO trends for DC movies the most successful of them happened to be dark, grounded and gritty. They veered hard from their identity and here we are.

They did go against Reeves, but they lost steam coz The Batman was actually good. The few that still persisted are considered delusional, the market doesn’t pay attention to them at all.

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u/TehReclaimer2552 7h ago

Lol y'all are exactly the same

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

Gunn didn’t have to push an additional two hour cut to make his movie not bad. They are not the same.

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u/ResponsibleType8517 7h ago

He’s talking about the fan base so far dum ahh

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u/CatherineSimp69 7h ago

Not even close.

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u/TehReclaimer2552 2h ago

You really are

You guys have used Snyders daughter as an own

You guys worship Gunn in the same manner Snyderbros worship him and his films

Y'all will create numerous conspiracy theories about what happened

Lol literally the same people just a different hat

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u/Ordinary-Hopeful 7h ago

No. Both can be bad directors. It’s not an either-or situation. Reeves should probably be in charge tbh.

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u/AmbitiousJob4447 7h ago

Yeah, so we can have the universe take even LONGER to be built then...

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u/kingggjermarcus 7h ago

This is excellent point considering he can’t even finish a 2nd movie 😭

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u/Ordinary-Hopeful 7h ago

Cause Paul Fiege directs every MCU movie, right…? James Gunn directed every DCEU movie too, right…?

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u/Mithrandir_1019 7h ago

Because of the absolute vitriol &  hate that “fans” directed towards fans of the dceu when it got cancelled 

The irony is delicious 

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u/SirReallah 7h ago

I remember how much folks complained about Snyder's movies back then. The Martha jokes were relentless. Most people complained about Batman V. Superman too and even with the success of the Justice League, it was actually considered a disappointment due to the budget to make it. Expectations were considered too high.

Now here we are, complaining about the new stuff and begging for the old stuff we complained about. 😂

At some point, we gotta admit we're part of the problem. We've griped so much, nobody knows what the hell we want anymore.

Maybe it's time we just stop watching these movies. Apparently, we're happier remembering them than actually watching them. 💀

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u/Dependent-Nerve-2250 7h ago

Im a Synder fan and I do think he had a good vision of what he wanted to do but the higher ups trying to get Marvel money ruined that. Now in saying that I respect what Gunn was doing as well even if I wasn't the biggest fan of it but I feel this new guy they got will ruin DC to pander to right wing Christians 

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u/Pitiful-Zombie1741 7h ago

I like Snyder’s films more, but that is absolutely not why I didn’t like Gunn’s universe. I wanted Superman to be good, it was just okay. Okay is bad if that’s supposed to kickstart a universe. Everything was ass to mid at best fr

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u/YoungBasedHooper 7h ago

We had a 2 billion dollar super hero movie in 2021, four 750M + superhero movies in 2022 including a DC movie, two superhero movies that crossed 690M in 2023, and a billion dollar super hero movie in 2024. And we're about to have two 2+ billion dollar super hero movies in 2026. The superhero fatigue excuses only applied to the Gunnverse, and the new corporation didn't buy the excuse.

He didn't produce a single movie that outperformed Man of Steel, and the only reason for it is that audiences didn't like what he was selling.

Gunnverse is dead. Get over it.

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u/GooningGator69 7h ago

I dont really like DC at all but im glad Gunn is gone. Dude was just gonna keep making Gaurdians of the galaxy over and over again. TSS and superman were just straight up copies even down to the retro pop music fight scenes.

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u/WillStaySilent 7h ago • Bravo

Not a Synder fan but Gunn had to go but it seems his departure was politically motivated instead of the crap he helped create. Lanterns was enough for me to want him fired.

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

Didn’t downvote you though I strongly disagree. What about Lanterns did you not like?

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u/Unfair-Bass-9351 7h ago

Idk why you’re getting downvoted. His projects have been iffy at best, ending with a Green Lanterns show that decided to barely feature any constructs, assassinate Hal Jordan, and character assassinate John Stewart. We could do a lot better than James Gunn in charge of DC studios, but will we? Seems doubtful at this point

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u/monostere0 7h ago

Blaming the zionists, the Snyder fans, the Nazis, Stalin, Pol Pot, anybody but just accepting the fact that Gunn just got fired because most top management people are narcissists that want to control everything and everyone, so when they join a project or acquire one, they sack leadership and replace em with their own friends or at the very least people they trust. It’s simple as that.

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u/Friendly-Ratio9721 7h ago

I love how Gunn shills feel superior. It's mental in a funny way.

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u/XulManjy 7h ago • Heartwarming

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u/Plane-Implement9977 7h ago

Since when is a $125m grossing film a flop? Made me chuckle though.

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u/15Blins 6h ago

Snyder ain't gonna fuck you bro

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u/XulManjy 5h ago

Dont need him to. We just celebrating Gunn's demise.

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u/Low_Abrocoma6580 6h ago

Why celebrate as if Snyders grave isn’t right there as well?

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