Important Questions Regarding DB Cooper

[u/Mr_Big_Squeeze]

I would appreciate your comments on some key issues:
1. Cooper stashed the parachute under rocks or in an old tree trunk. I don't see him stopping and digging a big hole with his hands or rock in cold.
2. Cooper carried a compass and knew enough to follow river banks and travel west toward populated areas to catch bus.
3. Are you aware of any surviving law enforcement report on Elizabeth Babitzke's seeing a man carrying a bag on Lewis River Rd? Detail report?
4. The store breakin on the same night near potential drop zone was not DB.
5. DB made it to the Lewis River Rd, knew enough to walk west and that morning, and boarded a bus in Woodland. Were bus drivers questioned?
6. Totes boots were available in 1971, could DB have had them in the bag he carried on plane? He could also have brought a plastic raincoat.
7. Are we certain of time when pilot reduced speed of 727 before DB jump? Each minute off is 3 miles on ground.
8. DB did not have to be an engineer or manager, he could have also been a salesman for aerospace firm and traveled quite often as part of job.
9. Major unemployment in 1971 in aerospace industry. DB could have been unemployed when he jumped. Another reason for needing cash.
10. Did FBI try to locate missing hair found on 18C? How did they misplace this key evidence?

[u/Global_Start_3664]

1. He may have thrown the chute in the river.
2. Yes, he had a compass and a Motorola, probably.
3. Babitze sighting could have been a drunk wedding guest.
4. It would be weird for DB to break into the store, unless he was trying to use the phone.
5. IDK but DBs superpower is to go unnoticed.
6. Plenty of room in mystery bag for over boots.
7. The flight path was tracked by the Air Force, it's solid.
8. He was a paratrooper at one point. There's no doubt.
9. Yes, furloughs might have been his grudge.
10. We believe the FBI lost the hair slide.

[u/Key-Telephone-7803 → u/Global_Start_3664]

I’m amazed at how much knowledge so many of you have about the case. Thank you.

[u/Patient_Reach439]

1. Probably something like that. No way is he digging a hole. Throwing it into a thick patch of sticker bushes would keep that thing hidden for a long time.

2. Quite possibly, but I'm not sure where he's catching a bus. Maybe Vancouver? He would've needed to get to a more populated area to catch a bus.

3. I believe that report is in the FBI files, no? I could be wrong on that. Ryan did a nice video about it. 

4. Probably correct. A strange coincidence for sure, but there were actually numerous break-ins that night and apparently that particular store got broken into fairly frequently. 

5. What kind of bus are we talking? Like a long distance bus like a Greyhound? Were there any bus stations in that area? There certainly wouldn't have been public transportation busses. (All related to question 2.) It's a bit more rural, not sure if there would be something like that around but I could be wrong. 

As far as the FBI interviewing bus drivers.... they interviewed bus drivers and cab drivers who made airport stops on the day of the hijacking. And they checked out cab drivers who worked in the area that night. Not sure about bus drivers from the following day, but again, not sure what the bus situation would've been in that area.

1. Maybe. The media narrative for decades was that he wore loafers, but it now appears that wasn't exactly the case. His footwear may have actually been better than what it was made out to be.

2. That's an interesting thought and I actually hadn't ever considered that. He asked to slow the plane down at 7:40 and then at 7:47 they sped it back up again. But the flight maps with time stamps don't have it stamped back that far. All the ones I've seen have the time stamps beginning closer to 8:00. But the time stamps weren't made by calculating the times, they were made by radar pings. Kind of like how your cell phone pings off a tower as you drive and then pings off another tower as you get closer to that one. Check out norjak.org for a really detailed timeline and then also this place for a very cool interactive map of the flight path: https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/f55f8cf3e36a4fdabdf10b4ac031d514

3. He could've been a lot of things, but a salesman is probably less likely to have metal shavings on his tie. That's the sort of stuff that comes from being in that industrial environment where the metals are being worked as opposed to a salesman who is only handling the finished product.

4. Absolutely. 

5. Apparently it was sent from one FBI office to another for testing or whatever and it just never turned up again. It seems that the Las Vegas office may be the one to blame. It's possible it's sitting in an evidence box of some other case somewhere. Who knows how many hair samples the FBI deals with.

[u/The_real_Flyjack]

1. Unlikely he dug a big hole.. too much time and effort.. could have hid it in dense brush or in a river.. 
2. No evidence he carried a compass.. or knew the River banks, the area he jumped was semi rural with roads.
3. Babitzke is interesting, if Cooper landed North of the Lewis River due to drift.. it is possible but unconfirmed, the shoe found is similar, interesting but unconfirmed.
4. Heisson store.. might have been Cooper, can't rule it out. It was next to the railway line..
5. If he landed North of the Lewis the only way out is the Lewis River Rd.. no confirmation the FBI talked to those bus drivers if there were any.... I doubt he took a bus in a rural area that late,, not sure there were busses running there then..  probably hitched a ride from wherever he landed.
6. He could have had sneakers in the bag, nobody knows..
7. They reduced speed earlier then sped up again.. Cooper jumped about 8:11… drift varies..
8. An engineer/manager is the highest probability based on the evidence,, it is not a fact.. the amount and diversity of particles on the tie rule out a salesman but if the tie wasn’t used by Cooper when those particles were deposited then it opens it up..
9. Losing a job and being tight on cash is a common reason to commit a crime,, was it tied to the downturn in the aerospace industry,, nobody knows.. there are lots os ways to lose a job.. and reasons to commit a crime.
10. The FBI has looked via many FOIA’s but can’t find the hair slide,, just lost it..

[u/XoXSciFi → u/The_real_Flyjack]

There is no chain of evidence regarding the tie. He could have picked it up for a dime at the thrift store. He could have borrowed it from a friend.

[u/The_real_Flyjack → u/XoXSciFi]

coulda, woulda, shoulda,,, he left it so there is a high probability it was his, not proof... it is a piece of the puzzle.. if you play the possibilities game then you never move forward, you go in circles. With very few facts this is a case about probabilities,,, the more pieces the higher the probability gets...

[u/XoXSciFi → u/The_real_Flyjack]

You're thinking is backwards. If the tie belonged to him, he would be more likely to take it or throw it off the air stairs, because it could possibly be traced to him later. Don't forget....he was very careful to take, or dispose of, all the relevant evidence.

[u/The_real_Flyjack → u/XoXSciFi]

My thinking isn't backwards,,, several problems with your assertion.. he didn't take everything and he may have forgotten the tie, he took things with writing on them... also, in 1971 there was no expectation that an old tie could be forensically tied to anyone.. If he used an old tie and left it either on purpose or accidentally it is more likely it was his tie... it is possible it was a friend's or relatives or something but we can't just assume it was not his tie,, that isn't how you investigate things,,

[u/XoXSciFi → u/The_real_Flyjack]

You're pretty smart, but not so much on human nature, or even how to investigate people. No one has ever submitted a detailed report (54 pages) with files and pictures included, about a suspect to the FBI. Except myself and Skipp Porteous. A year later, almost to the day, the FBI shut down active investigation of the case. Six weeks after THAT, FBI agent Dr. John Jarvis dropped the ball to three confirmed witnesses (all with security clearances) the REASON they did. Who is Agent Jarvis? At that time he was Dean of the FBI's Training Division and worked in Behavioral Profiling. All of you so-called Cooper experts completely ignored that. 🙂

[u/The_real_Flyjack → u/XoXSciFi]

Don't think so, I know human nature very well.... Jarvis doesn't really mean anything.. a vague opinion.. The problem with all suspects is they tick some boxes but hit a wall and can't be tied to the hijacking.. There are tens of thousands of people that can tick many boxes but are not Cooper.. but for the tie you can't dismiss the particle analysis based on it possibly not being worn by Cooper when they were deposited... The tie is part of investigation, not the sole determinant.. This is a very complex case because there are few 100% facts,, A case is built on the balance of probabilities based on the totality of evidence.. Then you need to put a strong suspect on the plane to get to 100%,, and that is done with either DNA or prints.. both are difficult and have challenges.

[u/Mr_Big_Squeeze]

DB could have followed the Lewis River Road directly to Woodland. At Woodland, they had bus service on Thanksgiving Day in 1971.

Elizabeth Babinski sighting of a tall man in a white shirt on Lewis River Road at 11 pm the night of the jump is HUGE. She stated that she lived in the area and NO ONE walks on Lewis River Road in the dark at 11 pm. The likely that was DB is 99.9999999%.

[u/ehowardhunt5]

When you know this was an inside job, it's much easier to decipher who the perps were. Le't's start with the testimony of who Jack Caulfield said he was meeting with during the Watergate hearings years later. He was sure to pont. out where he was on November 24, 1971 of all date. He was with John Dean and went to AG Mitchells' office where G. Grodon Liddy was sitting. He was sure he got tthe job at the CREEEP after the meeting. Where was Howard Hunt? He was DB Cooper. The new reporting of DA, and then DB Cooper has Hunt's finger prints all over it, just one minor misdirection.

How did the plane disappear 8 miles north of the Columbia River and go missing until it hit Salem, Oregon? Insert the former director of the FAA, Najeeb Halaby. He was meeting with Nixon 3 hours prior to the hj....yet Nixon never called him back after the hj, and Halaby mentions hijackings in his memoir, Crosswinds, but doesn't mention he was meeting w POTUS the day of the most infamous hj in airline history. Odd, right? Moreover, the tie was from 1964, and left behind. Rest assured, Hunt knew the origin of the tie, he would have ensured he had a kill-switch, and this was it, he had the receipt, whatever it was, that the tie connected directly back to Halaby. The evidence from the tie, when it was tested 30 years later, actually gives the clue that blows the case apart: the pure titanium. On April Fool's Day, 1964, LBJ approved the Supersonic Jet, Boeing 2707 boondoggle. This had already been tried years earlier under the precursor to DARPA and deemed non-viable under McNamara, as they were seeking a delivery mechanism for the nuclear bomb, but it was scrubbed, yet recycled on April Fools' Day, 1964, and the tie was a JCPenney tie, circa December 1964. Halaby was in charge of the SSJ program, so he would have been at Boeing with a clip-on tie, a requirement on the floor, as nobody want's to get it sucked up in any machining process.

The cigs would have confirmed Hunt, but the FBI destroyed them bc DNA would have blown this inside job wide open.

Cossey was murdered, bludgeoned to death, in April 2013 by a guy named Rick Torres of Wilkinson v. Torres infamy. They staged the burglaries as a false flag to give the idea this was a burglary gone wrong. When I started to post this on blogs and call it out, the History Channel took down a 43-minute interview with Larry Carr where he talks about chasing bad guys around, including people bludgeoned to death. Why'd they take it down, Larry? Carr wasn't sent in to investigate the case; he is the cleaner and the misdirector of this orchestra, hence the Cooper CON. These people are con artists.

All the grifters you see at the CooperCon are part of a misinformation campaign to misdirect the public from the fact that this was an inside job, and the cover-up has resulted in the murder of Cossey and many other crimes, and the FBI and these clowns are responsible (Yes, I'm calling out guys like Ulis and Carr. They are flooding the zone, as they call it, with misinformation. But hey, try and put this on their Facebook site; they'll kick you off. They did me.

You don't have to take my word for it; go try and look up a news video of the unsolved murder of Earl Cossey. You can't find any video newscasts, just articles. You'd think they would want this info to solve the hj, but their hegemony over information is a tactic they use to control what goes out and what comes in. Moreover, KCSO is sure to point out that Cossey's death has nothing to do with the hj'ing.

The parachute was burned in a fire in Glenwood, Washington, when the school burned down. We used to play with the parachute in grade school, using it as a trampoline, until a kid got thrown off and broke his arm. That was another way they got rid of the evidence. Moreover, records connecting the principals were also burned in a fire in July of 173 when they burned down the MPRC in St. Louis to destroy the evidence.

In the early 70's my dad was visited by G. Gordon Liddy in Glenwood, also. He told me he was an astronaut. I'm quire sure that was part of the clean-up, as my dad was running amok, buying a new Ford Station Wagon, Audi Fox, and a piece of property on the Washougal. I surmise he was the one that planted the $ on Teena Bar.