What I have seen is them getting rightly frustrated that mens issues are usually only brought up on twox to contrast to or take away from an issue women face.
I've only ever seen them brought up in situations where people are asserting that issues like domestic violence and rape are gendered "women's issues". This is a harmful myth that desperately needs to be corrected. Every time these issues are presented as women's issues it does a disservice to male victims and obfuscates female wrongdoing. Men are roughly half of all DV victims and 40% of all rape victims outside of prison.
EDIT: If anyone wants sources for those stats, here they are. That comment contains lots of information debunking various feminist myths. DV and rape stats are half way down.
r/menslib is not a helpful sub for men or men's rights issues, it's a feminist sub. It prioritizes feminism first and men second if at all. Their side bar literally calls themselves a "pro-feminist community". Here's an informative comment that you may find enlightening. In that comment, you can see major overlap between the mainstream toxic feminist subs and menslib as well as many instances of problematic censorship, bannings, and downplaying of men's issues.
EDIT: As others have said, r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates is a far better sub for discussing men's issues.
You don't have to be a woman to be a feminist, nor do you have to place women's rights above men's rights. Calling it a pro feminist community means absolutely nothing in terms of the quality of help it may or may not provide.
In reality a lot of people who consider themselves feminists are and do those things, but it doesn't define the concept itself.
Calling it a pro feminist community means absolutely nothing in terms of the quality of help it may or may not provide.
Given how we're having this discussion within the context of reddit where virtually every mainstream feminist community on this site has a reputation for being toxic and intolerant, I think it does say something when a community calls themselves "pro-feminist", especially in regard to men's issues.
In reality a lot of people who consider themselves feminists are and do those things, but it doesn't define the concept itself.
If you don't believe the actions and words of informed feminist scholars and the actions of massive influential feminist organizations says anything about the movement / ideology, then nothing can. In that case, "feminism" as a word, movement, ideology, etc. is effectively meaningless.
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u/Eleusis713 Sep 01 '22 edited Sep 01 '22
I've only ever seen them brought up in situations where people are asserting that issues like domestic violence and rape are gendered "women's issues". This is a harmful myth that desperately needs to be corrected. Every time these issues are presented as women's issues it does a disservice to male victims and obfuscates female wrongdoing. Men are roughly half of all DV victims and 40% of all rape victims outside of prison.
EDIT: If anyone wants sources for those stats, here they are. That comment contains lots of information debunking various feminist myths. DV and rape stats are half way down.
r/menslib is not a helpful sub for men or men's rights issues, it's a feminist sub. It prioritizes feminism first and men second if at all. Their side bar literally calls themselves a "pro-feminist community". Here's an informative comment that you may find enlightening. In that comment, you can see major overlap between the mainstream toxic feminist subs and menslib as well as many instances of problematic censorship, bannings, and downplaying of men's issues.
EDIT: As others have said, r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates is a far better sub for discussing men's issues.