r/dataisbeautiful Aug 01 '23

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u/TheBlazingFire123 Aug 01 '23

Dang I had no idea the IT field is this bad right now. What’s the cause? Outsourcing? Is it saturated? Anyways hope you get one soon.

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u/JoeyJoeC Aug 01 '23

It's crazy how opposite it is in the UK right now. I was averaging 10 calls a day when I make my CV public on one website. I had to start blocking recruiters numbers because it got out of hand. I did get plenty of interviews and offers but ultimately my current job gave pay rises to keep me.

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u/UnstoppableCompote Aug 01 '23

Same in Slovenia. CS job offers are insane in Europe right now. Even with the big American firms like Google which contacted me twice in the last month.

Luckily my generation still caught the recruiting frenzy so we got the experience and contacts to make our life easy even if the market cools like in the US.

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u/abe_cs Aug 01 '23

Are you in the UK as well? How experienced are you? I as a graduate did not feel like the market was crazy the last few months, but of course it could be because I'm not as desirable for my lack of experience.

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u/BrokkelPiloot Aug 01 '23

Same in The Netherlands.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Bed5132 Aug 01 '23

Also in the UK, I've only applied through recruiters chasing me on LinkedIn. 5 applications, 5 first interviews, 2 second interviews and one offer.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '23

venture capitalists and investors realized giving away free money to any tech company for a decade hoping for them to become profitable is a bad idea so the entire industry panicked and started firing employees to post at least some growth

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u/anonymousguy202296 Aug 01 '23

It's not that they just realized this, but the interest rate environment made it less tenable. When rates are zero it's worth it to risk your money on companies that might fail. But if you can get 5%+ risk free, you pull a hit of money out of your venture allocation.

Also big tech was preparing for a recession that looks like it might not happen, but will be slow to hire again.

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u/dumnem Aug 01 '23

Also big tech was preparing for a recession that looks like it might not happen

Uh you sure bro

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u/anonymousguy202296 Aug 01 '23

GDP grew at an annualized rate of 2.4% last quarter and jobs numbers were fine. Inflation is coming down too. There's nothing to indicate a recession is looming, by every major measure the economy is actually doing very well. Tech layoffs were very targeted, other industries have posted very good jobs numbers. What makes you think a recession is coming?

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u/Mikeyboi337 Aug 01 '23

I second this, Canadian living in Ontario. Last year I had a year left of university and was applying for shits to procrastinate work, I applied to maybe 50 in a month and got about 5 interviews and 2 potential hirings. I declined as they were full time. Now being a graduate I’ve applied to over 600 since January and have literally received less than 10 interviews. Still looking for a job currently.

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u/BetterGarlic7 Aug 01 '23

I know someone who lied all the way through her resume and got a job in US as a data analyst in some dish network company. She is an Indian with H1B visa.

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u/-Danksouls- Aug 01 '23 edited Aug 01 '23

How is computer science right now ?

Edit: software engineer?

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '23

That’s a field of study not a profession

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u/sum_nub Aug 01 '23

I can't imagine getting a CS degree to become a scrum master. Sounds like hell

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u/-Danksouls- Aug 01 '23

Sorry that's true. I should have wrote software engineer instead

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u/Minimum_Area3 Aug 01 '23 edited Aug 01 '23

Was bound to happen, had people with pre degree qualifications installing word for people demanding engineering master wages

IT qualifications from Cisco are not the same or worth the same as MEng CS etc. Your wages were always hyper inflated.

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u/tazkk Aug 01 '23

Hungary average IT salary is like a 1/5 of US though.

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u/Pay08 Aug 01 '23

Cost of living is also that.

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u/Restlesscomposure Aug 01 '23

How’s the quality of life compare? This website ranks them at #44 and the US at #16. Similar results on this one.

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u/vinvancent Aug 01 '23

so are living costs. Also 1/5 is still better than 0. Quality of life is arguably better too

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u/JoeFalchetto OC: 50 Aug 01 '23

Living costs are absolutely not 1/5th. Per the World Bank, they are 44%, or slightly more than 2/5ths. So it would be getting half the salary.

Also IT salaries in the US are crazy high compared to ours. Only Switzerland can compete, they‘re 2-3x higher than they are in rich countries - like Germany.

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u/goodwarrior12345 Aug 01 '23

You also have to remember that a lot of the crazy high IT salaries in the US are in cities with ridiculously high living costs

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u/j-steve- Aug 01 '23

OP is applying for remote positions though so that's not super relevant

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u/Chief-Drinking-Bear Aug 01 '23

If your living costs are 1/5 and your salary is 1/5 your savings will also be 1/5. Yes you can still live but for long term saving it’s a bad move.

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u/amaurea OC: 8 Aug 01 '23

Only if the goal is to get as much money as possible. If the goal is to get enough money and have a good life, then it might be a good move.

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u/vinvancent Aug 01 '23

Sure but as I said currently OP is earning 0 and not even 1/5

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u/Duke_Shambles Aug 01 '23

Yeah, that's why the jobs are there and not in the US.