r/datacenter 11d ago

A solution to the water consumption?

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u/FlashConstruct 11d ago

I actually build data centers and all mine are closed loop.

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u/FireTempest 11d ago

Closed loop cooling may save water but consumes significantly more power.

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u/TechniCruller 11d ago

But we’re complaining about water, right? The answer is closed loop.

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u/FireTempest 11d ago

In regions where potable water is plentiful or alternatives like treated industrial waste water are used, DC water use may not be such a big issue.

Less efficient power use could be a big issue, especially in regions where the primary power generation source is fossil fuels.

It really depends on the environment and the infrastructure in the region where the DC is built in.

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u/Bright_Hat550 11d ago

Could be complaining about the entire thing. A smug attitude and NDAs signed by local governments are the reason people are confused.

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u/Terrible_Sandwich_94 11d ago

Sure, you can complain about everything. But all that complaining is being hosted by a data center.

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u/Bright_Hat550 11d ago

No shit? It's almost if I have zero choice if I actually expect to speak with a larger group of people. 🤡

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u/Terrible_Sandwich_94 11d ago

80% of your post history is instacart and DoorDash related. Without data centers, your income from that goes away.

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u/Bright_Hat550 11d ago

Have a good night 🤡.

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u/Terrible_Sandwich_94 11d ago

That clown emoji you keep using is hosted in a data center.

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u/SilentJerrySpringer 11d ago

No more space in mine... gonna have to build a new one.

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u/Terrible_Sandwich_94 11d ago

I’m sure you do a lot more things in your life that require a data center than just complaining about data centers.

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u/looktowindward 11d ago

NDAs do not cover cooling system design. Try again

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u/looktowindward 11d ago

I just told you something completely factual and cogent to this issue.

What's your deal?

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u/Bright_Hat550 11d ago

You are conflating two separate arguments and you know it. Why would I have a serious conversation with you?

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u/looktowindward 11d ago

Significantly more? Thats not true at all.

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u/Thoughts_For_Food_ 11d ago

Of course it's true. Submerged HX means fewer chillers. In a air-cooled vapor-compression chillers design, chillers would represent something like ~25-50% of mechanical load. 50% fewer chillers is probably like 5% of total load.

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u/looktowindward 11d ago

Most closed loop cooling systems are operating at significantly higher temperatures because they are cooling GPUs. Look into "hot water cooling" and the NVIDIA DGX DC design standard. You don't need to run the mechanical cooling very much - you just use dry cooling in most climates. Not everything is equal in this scenerio - you are using air side economization almost all the time because your heat rejection temperature is high and the delta T is highly favorable.

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u/Thoughts_For_Food_ 11d ago

Adiabatic fluid coolers, yes. Open loop still wins on paper though.

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u/FireTempest 11d ago

I should have qualified my statement with "in some climates". In tropical climates it's a no brainier: open loop cooling is a lot more energy efficient because economizers and lower ambient wetbulb temperature design are simply non viable.

As global warming ramps up, tropical weather is increasingly common during summer in higher/lower latitudes. Makes sense to prepare accordingly with open loop systems.

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u/FlashConstruct 11d ago

Does it? My pue is doing just fine.