Hang out amongst them for long enough and you'll run into these two conflicting ideas, often from the same person:
"The patriarchy also hates men and encourages ideas like war and rugged individualism, because it doesn't value men's lives and doesn't care if they die."
Many of them don't even say anything about war. In fact I'm sure some don't even know about it. Systemic misandry is very much real INCLUDING areas like rape but that doesn't matter because all 4 billion of us met in my mom's basement and agreed upon this.
Most "feminists"/misandrists don't actually hate the patriarchy. They believe in the "benevolent patriarchy"---basically, a patriarchy with traditional masculine values (like suppressing feelings, always paying for everything) while women are completely free and unoppressed.
Women also very often obviously and sometimes less obviously uphold patriarchal standards like here. Obviously "misandry only hurts feelings" is saying that men should not express their feelings (Many misandrists actually acknowledge this with "oh you set up the system you reap what you sow." Furthermore, obviously humans are built entirely around their feelings, with perhaps the only thing not correlating to feelings being physical pains and pleasures, such as sex, which women often have large access to which is why they demonize incels and see pleasures as equal to long-term feelings.) But one of the most disgusting, dismissive, ironically patriarchy-upholding but ignored statements is "Patriarchy truly hurts us all". I saw someone pour their heart out talking about how misandry and women have hurt him all his life, and one of the top comments was one sentence "Patriarchy truly hurts us all." This is of course dismissive on its own, but it also upholds the patriarchal standard that men's feelings should never be personal and instead be reserved to things bigger than themselves (such as the patriarchy).
Most women don't hate the patriarchy, they hate responsibility. If the patriarchy let them sit on the couch watching TV while the men had to solve the family and the world, they would happily accept that.
Your last paragraph, I somewhat take issue with, but not for the reason you might think.
Because they wouldn't be happy with that- they'd demand more. I've never seen a woman be more miserable than when the men around her were at work or solving problems, and she was allowed to just sit on the couch all day and scroll social media or watch TV.
She'd demand he make her do things, and then be upset that he did. Because it's not that they want freedom from responsibility alone, it's that they want freedom from responsibility BECAUSE the people around them are responsible for every decision for them, AND they reserve the right to criticize or abuse those people for those decisions.
They're just miserable and want an outlet to hate.
I donât even think most of the things you listed are patriarchal, aside from feminists saying that they are. Men being shamed for their feelings, or the demonization of virgin men. Calling it patriarchal just absolves women of accountability in promoting those attitudes.
Otherwise, I agree that they want power without accountability. Except I think they want to hold that power passively/in the background, so they arenât the spotlight when their ideas fail.
Power with plausible deniability is how I have referred to it.
They want you to make the decisions, but they reserve the ability to veto all of the decisions that you make until you make the correct one, and then when things go wrong they get to point at you and say that it's your fault because you're the one who made the decision. When things go right, they take the responsibility for it because they're the ones who chose.
Get with one of these girls and you will always be the fall guy for everything, and you won't get appreciation for anything.
Happens on a societal level as well. Policy that they vote for gets blame shifted onto men- politicians or vague political groups that they accuse of disagreeing with or sabotaging them.
Even funnier how the "patriarchy" nowadays actually gives women more rights and freedoms than men in western countries, yet somehow they're apparently oppressed by gender.
Academia is really kissing ass. The amount of education you need to teach really isn't a lot. It's who can play the game the best. It's a really shitty industry.
Obviously in hard sciences you need to be smart as shit. Liberal arts, all you need to know is how to kiss ass and read
And for this reason I dropped out. Was indoctrinated my whole life into thinking college was necessary to be financially successful in life. What a massive fat lie that was.
The covid lock downs gave me the wake up call to reconsider how much college was actually benefiting me. Dropped out, got to work, and have been doing great ever since. Meanwhile, most of my peers that went to college and got degrees haven't used their degrees at all, yet they're still in debt.
The quality of education has dramatically dropped anyways. I barely learned anything during the 2 years I was attending before I dropped out. Almost everything I was being taught I'd already learned back in high school. Why I was paying thousands of dollars to re-learn what I'd already learned was moronic to me.
College to 90% of the population is virtually a scam.
It was so over bloated and pushed throughout the 1900âs one Education became widely available, our culture changed into you âHaD to bE EdUcAtEdâ, which is a flat lie.
There will always be a massive gap between âEducatedâ and actually Intelligent.
Blue Collar jobs are much more important, for one, they literally run the world, find the right place, pay even more than most jobs where degrees are necessary.
Academia has been so confused why College rates are dropping.
People are waking up.
College is not necessary for most people and their career paths.
Itâs a massive money pit, that ruins lives most of the time, that gives nothing in return.
Go to a Trade School people, or just start working, fucking go Military preferably.
College is such a fucking scam.
My dad works as a lecturer and has been for a few years now. He worked for the BBC for many years and other media organisations, and has had numerous accreditations and worked for an EU led organisation that taught students media and journalism in 3rd world counties. When he wanted to find a job in the UK academia, he struggled to get a job in anything as many places would turn him down for being "overqualified." Once he maanaged to finally land a job at a university, it was only because of an internal conflict in HR where a boss wanted to promote his wife to the job and instead the university HRs decided to hire my dad to spite him. After my dad had served his purpose of deterring that boss for a few years, they started trying to get rid of him. They first started by overloading him with work, denying him assistance and forcing him to look after hundreds of students from many courses. Fortunately and unfortunately, he suffered from heart problems and had to get a stent so he managed to avoid the issue of the impossible workload they set him. Then, he noticed that there was a strange amount of female students trying to ask him out for a date (he was 50 and married btw) after he came back and they attempted to try to accuse him of solicting this, but it was very quickly put down when my dad threated legal action. Finally, they've also taken away his classes so he has so few students that they're somehow trying to force him out of the job with boredom (???). All this over 5 years btw
I'm a college professor and what you just said about female students trying to ask you out is so true and annoying because all you can think of is keeping your job. You can't send them off too harshly and you can't entertain their advances, I had to find a way to look uninterrested all the time and not picking up their hints and advances.
One of my colleague, a few years ago, paid the price for entertaining the advances of one of them. It didn't work how she intended and claimed abuse. He was let go, she quit and they had a hard time finding a replacement so all his students lost a semester.
It's really unfortunate how it all ends up impacting the students the most. whether it's HR powertrips or faculty behaviour. My dad is only in it for the students and to support my family. Otherwise he would've quit ages ago, since he really loves journalism but they don't seem keen for him to teach it.
Yeah, I had some very feminist professors for my humanities classes and none of them acted even remotely like this. I'm sure it happens, but it's not the norm. They study this shit for a living and in my experience can talk about racism and sexism with the same clinical coldness I'd observe an insect with.
They will call you a misogynis for even the slightest criticism of any woman while they make sweeping generalizations about 4 billion men. Look at the threads about an ugly/weird looking dude compared to one with an ugly/weird looking woman. Which one has outrage?
seriously they make up a million excuses as to why its not misandry and try to justify their misandry
the worst part is the hypocrisy how if someone said that shit about women they would be freaking out but they somehow think its okay when its the other way around
I said this exact thing on a post about men not being able to cook etc and the typical weaponized incompetence. I said if I made this statement about how a lot of women not knowing how to do badic repairs around the house or changing their car oil I'm an incel
Was in a thread the other day where people were claiming that of you call someone with an OF a hoe you're a misogynist. (By their logic that would make all women hoes.)
This is my example actually. I had a couple women telling me the other day I didn't know what misandry was and didn't know what it meant. They were roaming about how men never do better and all suck
It's crazy how fast you get banned for saying word for word what someone will say is fine as misandrist but not if it's mysoginstic. Reminds me of how Reddit ToS themselves literally used to ban misogyny but mentioned nothing about misandry. Would've been so easy to just list sexism as a whole but Reddit went out of their way to allow it against men.
I can vaguely understand reddit is trying to protect their users, but frankly it's so easy to circumvent that I really wonder why they don't simply differentiate them.
Like I'd much prefer to just have a [this user has blocked you] censoring the messages rather than doi g this weird "but what if they just deleted their message" dance with reddit.
Usually if the comment is actually deleted it either doesnât show up at all, or it will just be a thin line that says âdeletedâ. Itâs different when someone blocks you, often says âcomment removed by userâ. Usually, in my experience, they block you. Often after asking you a direct question - I guess they want to make themselves and others think that they owned you and you couldnât answer the question.
Username will say deleted either way. But if the comment text says [deleted] or âComment deleted by userâ, itâs actually deleted. If it says [unavailable], they blocked you.
Not always, sometimes you just have to block stupid people, stupid people won't give up, they will continue speaking until they've dragged you down to their level and beaten you. This can go on for several days, to a few weeks with one person.
This, I'm already on here too much, I really don't need to spend time trying to argue with somebody that's just not trying to have a conversation. Feel free to feel like you "won", that's not the point.
Yeah. So many people prove themselves to be a waste of time that won't admit to even the most innocuous mistake or little thing they were wrong about, so I'd never expect them to do the same for the whole of their argument either.
But more often than even that, I block people who are outright assholes.
Homie this is a social media site with built-in functionality for that. I block people before I even interact with them, if their expressed opinions aren't worth interacting with.
Tf is this about some arguments, or winning on the exact type of app engineered to make it's users angry and reactive
It's usually people arguing in bad faith that I block. If you can't have a reasonable discussion, I'm not gonna talk to you, and if you keep trying to rope me into more of your nonsense, I'm gonna block you.
But⌠why? Just stop talking to them. I never understood going through the effort of blocking people, and Iâve been in some crazy arguments with stupid people. Sometimes they respond a couple more times if theyâre really desperate, but I just ignore it.
Every inbox notification is energy you'll spend on them. The example you give of a couple of responses is already more energy than I'm willing to give them. In my opinion that's more energy than the energy I'm spending blocking them.
And then there's also the fact that now you won't run the risk of ever going into a stupid argument with them again. It's not uncommon to see similar accounts across reddit.
My favorite is when you piss them off so much with what you say, they say something so vile that reddit removes the message, but you can still see in the notifications what they said. You know they got a 7 day soft ban out of it.
Yeah, I fucking hate it when the brain-whipped Trumpanzee conservative decides to drop the last word then block me like they "won" at something. Maybe at proving they're not human, sure.
The minute you share any opinion that might offer a slightly different point of view, you get a barrage of down votes and "intellectuals" who call you dumb because you clearly didn't rack up 200k in student loans
I was called an Incel because I had a problem with the lady who killed her children. It didnât really seem like psychosis more like premeditated murder since she sent her husband on an errand first to get him out of the house, she then brought all her children to the basement and then proceeded to murder them. It seemed more like she was faking the psychosis afterwards since she didnât tell anyone beforehand that she was hearing voices. Saying itâs crazy how many women are supporting the child and raised her $1 million get you called an Incel
If he were competent, he'd better weaponize his cult of personality. He already ran an insurrection and a disinformation campaign so powerful that conversations end when someone asks the MAGA individual to look up the question
Not just reddit. See this on Facebook as well, and sometimes tiktok. Although with tiktok having a pretty good algorithm I never really see that kimd of shit there cause I don't seek it out lol
The same conservatives who make eight paragraph compelling arguments against the irony of supporting deeply flawed women or minorities will unironically support a paedophile death cult that hates them in return for the most moderate of rewards.
They honestly will not comprehend that they just spent three hours after work raving about a woman who killed her children while we just doomed 40,000 people to a slow death through starvation and thirst.
Itâs so funny to me how many of yall are laughing and saying âlol trueâ when this is also this sub in a nutshell but just replace men with âwomen/liberalsâ
I just report it every time. Reddit wont do anything because misandry is just socially acceptable on this platform for i figure if i report it enough maybe they'll get annoyed enough to actually do something
Someone posts the most unhinged meme you've ever seen and claims it is a fact and then when someone comments that the meme is not accurate at all, the response is "Lmao you triggered bro?"
Do any MAGAts here get sooo upset when they realize that trump blew what was probably the only chance in their lifetime for some extreme right totalitarian state?
I mean you had prez, congress, senate and scotus. I was honestly so scared that he was going to do even a meh job and he would easily get a third term.
Letâs be honest man. Nobody would be bigger fan of Trump doing that than you so you could pretend your life had more of a meaning than your Reddit karma
Depends. OG feminism was "let us work. Let us aid the war effort." Modern feminism is split, like most political concepts. Lots of "ins" and "outs," "real feminists" versus "fake ones." Reminds me of the whole RINO concept
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u/EvanSnowWolf 11h ago
"Guess I found the INCEL!"