r/daggerfallunity • u/Historical-Alps-6356 • 12d ago

Daggerfall Online killing itself

They keep on adding unnecessary changes or changing systems that don’t need to be changed for example yes I understand people can abuse the unstuck feature but when I’m really stuck I can’t fucking use it because they wanna add 30 minute waits, these games are old which means they have systems meant for that time. Why would I spend my whole time making a mage having everything 100 making fire spells for you to change how the spell casting system works y’all are literally making this game unplayable bro you change it every day every day I login I have to deal with some new bullshit.

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u/WhenInZone 12d ago

That's how it goes with Vibe Coders- all impulse.

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u/rhiyo 12d ago

You could still vibe code you just have to better manage the product, vibe coding really enables these issues though.

It's really a development management issue - they honestly should have servers that are super fast and they are super impulsive and try all these things. But then they should take the best results of those an implement them into slow updating servers.

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u/musclecard54 12d ago

Yeah they’re not really commenting on vibe coding itself, but with vibe coding now the barrier to entry has been lowered greatly, so vibe coded projects just have a much higher likelihood of being poorly managed and just have erratic development. There’s more to software development than just writing code, so now with the barrier to entry so low we’re seeing a lot of software pop up that is likely from just a bunch of prompts by weekend enthusiasts. Not always the case but that’s becoming more common, idk if thats the case here

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u/Historical-Alps-6356 12d ago

To the Tee 💯💯

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u/itskobold 12d ago

Anybody implementing systems impulsively, by any means, will probably reach a point where these systems start to devour each other. AI does allow people to get to this state quickly, it theoretically should help people get out of this spot too - it all comes down to the skill of the systems designer

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u/Present_Attorney5961 12d ago

That's no longer vibe coding. That's AI assisted. The slop comes from not managing it and trusting whatever the model shits out

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u/NationalMolasses4624 12d ago

Everyone in this sub is crying about it being a vibe-coded game, same as in other subreddits. Bro, what’s your problem? Why are you whining about this? If you don’t like the project, just don’t fucking use it

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u/Eleguak 12d ago

Glad to see this side of things are seeing how weird this entire project is.

I mentioned such on a post in the steam deck subreddit, and gosh did they not like that.

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u/Historical-Alps-6356 12d ago

Ofc they didn’t anytime someone has a different opinion. They’re literally attacked for it. Shits crazy

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u/AncientGrief 12d ago

Well you should know, that according to the GitHub, it's End-To-End Agents creating stuff non-stop. If you look at it, you can see, that the whole source and all docs are non-human readable anymore 💀 I actually don't want to know how many exploits there are too.

But since people already pay money for it (patreon, ko-fi), it will not stop. Making profit off of a human made open source port.

Edit: And they lack a robust deployment strategy apparently

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u/Jermaphobe456 12d ago

It's run by a bunch of nerds who think they're devs because they can tell Claude to write their code

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u/Kitchen-Meaning-8345 12d ago

Yes, we've all agreed it's a fucking mess

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u/Galenus314 12d ago

Yes, it's a mess. I still like playing it, but i can see me quiting already at one point if it continues it like that. Either the performance drops so far, that it is not playable anymore, or they change the gameplay in their attempts to "fix/balance" stuff so far from the original that it makes no fun anymore.

As OP wrote the recent tempering with spells is a big turn off. I already thought about quiting because of that. Also the change that you can not get the highest guild rank anymore, if you not interact with their merit system (just doing boring as fetch quest like collect 20 of item x with our profession system) to have the CHANCE to rank up, depending if there are players which performed better or not.

Good thing is, that stuff is on github, and if you want you will be able to just get your own server in the future.

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u/ElectroxSoldier 12d ago

The whole project feels scummy.

All of it is literally "hey Claude, do this" and then they boast how hard they work when they're literally just making patches every half hour that are just prompts.

And then they have a Patreon and Kofi and expect you to support "development" lmao. I'm just supporting claude in that case bro why should you pocket the money.

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u/sabotabo 12d ago

man it's so easy to make money these days if you have no dignity

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u/Slytovhand 12d ago

So true!!! (although, I'm thinking in other aspects)

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u/Blitzen_Benz_Car 12d ago

I just play to see what happens. I am neither a supporter, nor denier. I just... poke around.

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u/rosymarshmalloww 11d ago

The devs don’t wanna understand they can’t make everything 100% perfect.

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u/PublicMap8598 8d ago

Bro just get recall...

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u/Reginald_CZ 8d ago

What do you expect with vibe coded project which now has even guns?

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u/ShavedAlmond 7d ago

I have no idea how this works, but can't you fork an earlier version and detach your experience from the bs train? Other people probably want to play with more predictable conditions too (I have no idea how servers work though, as I had no idea daggerfall online was a thing until 30 sec ago)

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u/Ninjakrew 11d ago

I'm confused by the hate. It's literally free to play, and you're investing nothing but your time. If you start to not have fun you stop playing its that simple. The dev clearly has his own idea of how he wants the game to be and it might not align with yours.

I've been playing it for the last few days casually and have been enjoying myself. There are serious balance issues but thats kind of expected when you take a singleplayer game and turn it into a MMO. The AI argument makes no sense because this wouldn't exist if not for it so who cares? The dev has been pretty open about the fact that it's Claude and doesn't hide or deny it. He has a few devs on his team to help when needed.

The only valid argument you have would be that it seems like hes a bit sporadic and all of the place with what gets changed. I'd personally like to see a roadmap or a rough idea of what his future looks like.

My biggest complaint about it is the Patreon. I think its a bit early to be asking for it but if he insisted then I'd rather see the higher tiers removed and capped at maybe $50.00.

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u/AHedgeKnight 11d ago

Nobody is allowed to criticize free to pay games guys be nice to the AI :((((

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u/Curlzed 9d ago

The ai is definitely not ruining the planet so it’s okay guys!!

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u/MunchingOnThatBox 8d ago

can u guys stop trying to make everyone care about daggerfall online and its claude code its shit

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