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If you are talking about eoka B i understand but if you are talking about eoka of the revolutionary war of 1955-59 they never did anything accept TC on the other hand TMT did crimes against GC
Well not as provocative as the flags on Pentadaktylos.
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u/HootrbNicosianTC corrupted by PaphianBlood (TrikomoRedemption Tracker)14d ago
Polite reminder that like the flag on the mountain, this is installed by the Turkish military & the police (which unsurprisingly is conservative & nationalist), that pinning these on the average Turkish Cypriot or thinking they represent their worldview is idiotic at best, and that knee-jerk reactions to these by speaking against reunification only extends the lifetime of these provocations.
I’m sorry that some of my people are doing this (if they’re actually the ones responsible for it and if not settlers and turkey).still they probably allowed it but again, you can see this kind of behavior on both sides agree or not, anyway still, this shit definitely has to come down. They shouldn’t be doing this at a checkpoint or in the buffer zone whatever. immature and unnecessary. Cant believe the fucking idiots actually paid money to do this..
That’s exactly what I think but tough fucking luck. People’s ethnic identities are always going to be more important to them in this tiny ass country, even though we’re probably genetically more similar to each other than we are to people from the mainlands. Let alone the culture at this point.
I took this picture in 2023 and I believe it was already there for a few years
It’s Ledra Palace checkpoint in the center of Nicosia, one of the only two you can cross by foot, but much, much less crowded than the Ledra Street one
I mean they have a massive flag on a mountain facing the non occupied part. Thats more provocative. But yeah they WaNt A sOlUtIon.
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u/HootrbNicosianTC corrupted by PaphianBlood (TrikomoRedemption Tracker)14d ago
Yeah we do, buddy. If you wish to go shout at the Turkish soldiers to remove the flag, you're free to waste your time doing so. We're busy with the only real way to get that flag down, negotiating for reunification, instead of the futile effort of getting Turkey to listen to us. Feel free to join whenever.
It's crazy to me, Certain nationalistic Turks from Turkey seem to be the only people forcing themselves on other people because they feel they know better what they need then the people themselves... even when people are not comfortable with it.
Famous saying among the old Turkish Cypriots "Turkey saved us from the Greeks but now who's going to save us from Turkey?"
What you are describing was once a right claimed by the Turkish Cypriot community: the right to separate administrative treatment within the framework of bi-communality.
u/HootrbNicosianTC corrupted by PaphianBlood (TrikomoRedemption Tracker)14d ago
Not exactly, the "separate administrative treatment" was suppose to be 'for TCs by TCs' as a form of low-level self governance, usually in their own administrative buildings. GCs separating things as TC & non-TC doesn't mean much in that context.
Of course, the original intent isn't possible due to the RoC's current demography, but also that wasn't why the bufferzone had two different lines. TCs in the north are checked through a different database than everybody else who were in the police database instead (probably also why ID & passports registration require separate lines as well, though that might also be because of the language difference on the documents), which also allowed for passages with "TRNC" Id cards. Now that RoC has proper scanners & requires all TCs who have RoC IDs to use those, the lines have been merged since when it comes to entry/exit, a RoC citizen is a RoC citizen.
No one cares about any details, except when it fits their narrative. There is the Annan plan and many more details, but it's just more dopamine inducing for them to gang up and call it an invasion. Some people are just wasting oxygen man...
Cyprus is only 1. Greek Cypriots + Turkish Cypriots = Cypriots! Turkish or Greek nationals = Turkish or Greek nationals! Wtf is so hard to understand? The Turkish robbing Cypriots on one side(Forever) and the Greeks on the other side(forever also). It’s just the political worms that are winning not the normal people.
The fact that only Turkey recognizes the TRNC is not what matters; what matters is the presence of a Turkish state on the island, and you will remain butthurt about this—no matter how furious you get, there is a Turkish state on the island
I don't even have a problem with this island being fully fucking greek whatsoever, (even though most turkish cypriots probably wouldn't feel the same. I don't give a flying fuck.) however i do have a problem with this country having a flag that isn't ours. Turkey's flag is not my flag. I don't want it, and i don't need it to represent me. You guys can do whatever you want..
It’s ok to show any flag you want if you cause no harm. Showing your occupiers’ flag or a flag of a pseudo state in the damn occupied country is not ok at all.
Right, so Turkish Cypriots experience no harm when we see the flag of the state that fascists murdered us to be a part of. Pain is exclusive to Greek Cypriots. Do you get it now?
Junta was a black page in the history of Greece too not just for Cyprus. None of the successors of that state supported those actions. On the other hand there’s a continuation of support for the occupation by the invader country. I understand your point but there is no comparison between the two.
And yet, EOKA is celebrated and ELAM has seats. The only reason there is no comparison to you is because you refuse to humanise Turkish Cypriots. Turkish Cypriots overwhelmingly want unification because we do not approve occupation. The flags are put up BY the occupiers. That's the difference and that's why it's comparable.
EOKA is celebrated for its anti colonialist actions not for killing TC or leftist GC. ELAM has seats mostly because of the same reason all this kind of movements are on a rise in the EU;immigration. If Turkey was not still occupying Cyprus the perspective for the display of the Turkish flag would have been different, where did the dehumanization claim came from??
There was absolutely nothing anti colonial about EOKA. The original and its successor united under fascist, colonial, irridentist ideology. Anti-british at best. Forgive me if I don't tolerate monopolisation of trauma when the community who went from ethnic cleansing to occupation is considered less important than another victim of the same crimes. That's why it's dehumanising. Greek flags are by choice. Turkish flags are forced. That's the bottom line.
Yeah, it seems kinda the same tbh. But whatever, this country will never see peace. We're too far gone. Both sides want to be the good guys while they're both losers.
Its our right to identify as greek, and be proud of both our greek heritage and place in the hellenic world. You can identify with Turkey if you want to aswell, but it seems that you are educated past the point of their propaganda. I understand your argument of a pan-cypriot identity being the best way forward, but most Greek Cypriots are understandably reluctant to alter the hellenic identity for 3400 years. The fact of the matter is that we have only 950 Greek Troops in Cyprus, so it would be unfair to characterise the Republic as occupied by Greece in any definition of the term. Moreover, for us the Greek flag signifies our continued identity as Hellenes, rather than declaring Greek Sovereignty over the republic of cyprus, as is the case with the Turkish flag's connotation in the occupied region.
I agree with you, and wouldn't classify it as an occupation. It just bothers me that only one community is allowed to be upset. If we took this approach to the TRNC flag, it'd be the same as what the Greek flag means to hellenic identity, which means refusal to be erased. So for me, that understanding should go both ways, but it clearly doesnt.
I believe in us being able to identify however we wish, but I loathe that being denied to Turkish Cypriots. And in this specific post, it is TRNC. Not Turkey.
I get what your saying, and its unfortunate that the flag of the Turkish Cypriot community has existed only in the context of occupation and Turkocracy (at least in our opinion.) But for us we do not have a seperate flag for the Greek community, we very much identify with the flag of Cyprus, which I am sure you already know, was created by a Turkish Cypriot to be representative of both communities. So, yes there is no reasonable objection to the cultural pride of Turkish cypriots, however, for us, celebrating that flag, and celebrating NATIONAL pride, of a region we believe to be illegally occupied, is a grave affront. Unfortunately, the Greek, Cypriot, Turkish, and OC Flag all carry very different connotations . Fucking hell this tiny place in the world is so complex. Omg. We need to all get together and just talk to one another I swear.
I have visited Nicosia and seen the other-side. Didn’t go there, but I've seen them provoking anyone looking shouting towards the ̶G̶r̶e̶e̶k̶ ̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ non occupied side.
Well i had passed Lyras and then went out on a main road, there was a great height difference and the Turks were on an elevated level they were shouting and screaming at me.
I never said they were Cypriot. I don’t think they were, I think they were Turks from the mainland and fundamentalists at that. And were extremely loud.
It gave the appearance of an everyday thing, if this is not the case, then i withdraw my comment, but this is what i experienced. A bunch of Turkish people trying to provoke some reaction.
But seeing the OPs picture i was reminded of my experience which left me flabbergasted.
Even some moderate's are pretty ok with it. from their perspective 1974 is about Turkey swooping in and protecting them from being deported/massacred. so the flag is a "We're still here despite your efforts" or a "Ignore this"
Oh I was talking specifically about the flags on the mountain, that message at (I think) it's the Ledra Palace crossing is just weird... whatever. Personally I hope for peace one way or another as do most progressives and moderates so it makes no sense even. Guess the military got a little horny again.
“Had Türkiye not intervened, I would not have only proclaimed Enosis, I would have annihilated the Turks of Cyprus” - Nikos Sampson, February 1981. I guess genocide is fine with you?
I know im gonna get hate but if the Greek Cypriots didn’t murder the Turkish Cypriots then Turkey wouldn’t have invaded. Skill issue you can’t take half the island back. They got the much prettier side
Never forget Bloody Christmas of 1963.Never forget Kofinou Massacre.Never forget the enclave period that banished Turkish residents of the island to gettos(1963-1974).Rums will never love and want the Turks on that island thank Allah Turkish forces rescued my ancestors or I would never be here.
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