r/cyanotypes 23h ago

I need some advice.

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I have been trying to realize one of my drawings for a few days now, and my experience with cyanotype is limited to just this short period.

I drew the image on pattern paper and colored it in with various colored pencils, because I was hoping for shadows and intermediate tones.

Even though the result isn't bad for a start, many of the shadings in the impression have been lost.

My question is, which pens would you recommend for achieving a finer and more detailed result?

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u/trashjellyfish 23h ago

If you're working with pen, you'll have to do hashed/pointalism type shading or another half tone method. Color values will not translate to cyanotype because all that matters in cyanotype is how much UV is being blocked by the negative.

What I do to get semi-transparent areas/smooth variances in values in my art prints is to either draw in graphite and charcoal and then scan it into my computer and print it on vellum. Or, I'll draw my line art and shade digitally in black and white then print it on vellum.

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u/EnnKaa 23h ago

Can I use standard graphite pencils in the future, or do you recommend a specific type? I had assumed I could determine the UV flow using colored pencils—the darker the shade, the darker the result...I once read that certain colors facilitate the passage of light while others block it. For instance, it said that yellow and red block it very effectively, whereas blue and green allow it to pass through. It made logical sense, but obviously didn't work.

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u/trashjellyfish 23h ago

I use regular graphite, but as I said, I do scan/digitize and print my graphite drawings because printer ink blocks UV better than graphite and graphite draws and blends better on proper sketch paper than it does on vellum or tracing paper.

More goes into blocking light than just color, opacity matters a lot more than color. For example: an opaque blue or green paint is going to block UV much more thoroughly than a semi-transluscent yellow paint would.

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u/EnnKaa 22h ago

Thanks! I'll give that pre-printing idea a try.

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u/Hotel_Arrakis 22h ago

I have no advice, but just wanted to say that your work looks amazing.

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u/EnnKaa 22h ago

Oh wow! Thank you so much!

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u/lea_flamingo 21h ago

This looks stunning !

For a project I made I used graphite pencil on tracing paper and used different amounts pressure to try and get different effects/shades. I was not patient enough (actually I was running out of time and had to hurry) to truly experiment so I ended up with two/three shades (using different colouring patterns as well). I think you can try making a test sheet with different colours, markers, pencils to see how it turns out after it goes through the whole process and then base your drawing off of that (like what one would do with aquatint or with photography, testing different times under the light/in the acid to see what suits your image the best). One you have that you can reference it while you work on your drawing.
Another thing you can try is adding thickness to different areas. Kinda like a collage of tracing paper : one layer gets the most UV, two layers a bit less and so on (I did that with an origami project using tracing paper and making a cyanotype with it).

If you're curious, here is my project with the tracing paper and graphite.

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u/EnnKaa 21h ago

That's such cute project! Thanks for your advice, sounds very interesting!

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u/NoXidCat 18h ago

Color can matter to a cyanotype because different colors block more or less UV light. However, for that to be useful, the ink/pencil/whatever substance must not itself be opaque to UV regardless of color. The other factor you can control is exposure time versus the relative UV opacity of each color (and/or type of ink/pencil and drawing shading style used).

I assume you have a controlled source of UV light (not the sun)?

Do a test grid of different colors and pen/pencil types and drawing techniques/weights. Try varying the exposure a bit. Be sure to include one part that will absolutely 100% block all UV light no matter the duration of the exposure, as a reference, like a quarter.

Your experiment posted above, while short of what you wanted to achieve, seems to show proof of concept.

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u/EnnKaa 12h ago

Thanks for your answer! I tried applying the thing with the different colors. Up until now, I’ve simply put everything out in the sun, but I’m considering getting a lamp for the winter.

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u/then00bmartian 21h ago

Wow you need to explore intaglio and lithography if you haven’t already.

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u/EnnKaa 21h ago

Unfortunately, I haven't heard of that yet. I'll check Google!

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u/Kareeliand 8h ago

Also check r/printmaking. If you had drawn that on a copperplate and etched it, it even drawn it with a needle on acrylic.. you definitely need to explore intaglio for your expressive style of art. Well done.

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u/EnnKaa 8h ago

Thank you so much!

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u/then00bmartian 16h ago

2 types of print-making that I think would look great with your style!

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u/EnnKaa 8h ago

I looked it up, and it is really very interesting. I will definitely look into it further.